So originally McDonnell Miller (or Master Miller, or Kazuhira Miller) was introduced as some kind of drill sergeant guy that Snake used to train with or something. Then you learn in MGS1 that he was murdered in his home and Liquid has been posing as him the whole time.

That's a super weird, ignoble end for a guy they have since retconned to be this really important figure in Big Boss' life, from the MSF days with Mother Base to all of the events in Phantom Pain that we assume will lead to the creation of Outer Heaven.

MGS mythos doesn't hold up at all under any degree of inspection. But, Miller is awesome in Peacewalker.

It does seem kind of weird, maybe they'll just retcon that part too and give him a more fitting death.

I don't know seems fine to me. I'm not sure how he was rewritten like you suggest.

@demoskinos said:

I guess they didn't necessarily rewrite his personality, but in MGS1 (and MG2) he is this bit character who is then randomly killed off as a twist, in just about the same manner as the DARPA chief. And I'll be interested to see how Kaz Miller distances himself from Big Boss or something, because evidently everybody still trusts Miller after Big Boss turns evil in Metal Gear 1.

@bisonhero: Maybe they're different Millers?

@bisonhero: @bocam:

I too think there are two Millers. http://www.giantbomb.com/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/3030-40796/forums/are-there-two-millers-in-the-metal-gear-universe-s-1458313/#11

@mooseymcman: @bocam:

Oh man, the Metal Gear wiki has a page devoted to basically how little information there is around Miller's shitty death:

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Miller%27s_assassin

Also, supposedly it is all one Miller, if this is to be believed:

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Kazuhira_Miller

If the crazies who meticulously update wikis still think it's one dude, I'll go with them until we actually get to play Phantom Pain.

I figure if Eli ends up being Liquid in TPP, it will have foreshadowing for him killing Miller in the future.

I'm not questioning you, but this is usually the opinion of people who haven't done even the slightest bit of inspection and jumped on the assumption and MGS hate bandwagon.

I wouldn't say they've rewritten Miller, they've just expanded his backstory. Kaz is a pretty knowledgeable dude exactly like Master Miller and he helped train Solid Snake alongside Big Boss so it's believable that him and Big Boss have some history together that we never learned about.

I think they've successfully retconned the character to be more interesting. I fully support it, as he has been a welcome presence in Peace Walker and now MGS V.

Not really. Miller being a part of Big Boss's life in one way is compatible with having a different role in Snake's life decades later.

If anything, reading about how Miller says that Big Boss is a monster and urges Snake to defeat him in Metal Gear 2 makes me super curious about what'll happen in MGS V, unless they save that stuff for later.

@bisonhero: There's definitely a guy that looks like Miller in the trailers for Phantom Pain that I'm pretty sure isn't Miller.

@mooseymcman: It's probably Solidus Miller.

@bisonhero: I still think Kazuhira Miller and McDonnel Miller are long lost brothers.

I'm probably wrong though.

@mooseymcman: When Kaz gets his arm and leg chopped the fuck off in Afghanistan, they attach those limbs to somebody else, and that guy is McDonnel Miller, and absorbs the memories and abilities of Kaz. Nanomachines.

@bisonhero: Yup, that's probably it.

I knew Kaz lost an arm, but I didn't know he lost a leg too. According to the wiki, he also loses an eye. I feel like Phantom Pain is gonna hammer the message of "Torture is bad" by mutilating every single character in the game. It'll be the Phantom Pain equivalent of Paz in Peace Walker with how she loves peace, her name means peace, and how she studied peace at the University of Peace.

@minipato said:

Metal Gear: known for its subtlety.

But yeah, Kaz gets real messed up.

Kaz very clearly has no eyes in the E3 Phantom Pain trailer from last year.

@mooseymcman said:

Is that confirmed anywhere? I'm pretty sure maybe just his right eye is missing at most? You can see the light glinting off his left eye for sure right before Snake puts sunglasses back on Miller. I just thought one of his eyes was swollen shut from beatings.

That kind of thing tends to be a pretty common occurrence when people start expanding fictional universes, I think. Building on what's there instead of inserting some random new guy makes it seem more connected, even if it doesn't always make the most sense.

@bisonhero: Huh, I was pretty sure he lost both. Let me go check the trailer.

EDIT: I still think he's lost both eyes, but we'll see in the final game.

No I dont mind think it is being retconned , we will have to wait on what happens in phantom pain.

I dunno, I kind of like how his death was sort of " in the background. " I'm not sure why, but after spending so much time with the character in Big Boss' adventures, it makes it feel more personal when you actually do find out he's dead and all the new characters are just sorta like " eh, whatever. ".......Even though we didn't really know Miller back when MGS was released. I dunno, it's really hard to explain what I'm trying to say here.

that's the biggest problem with Peace Walker, Miller and Emmerich making just CONVENIENT APPEARANCES that look more like Star Wars Episode 1 "Darth Vader created C3PO" logic. But, I mean I like Kaz's character.... and I kinda can believe he is miller, except if they want to do some bullshit "there's another miller" because we are talking about a series where Big Boss' name is Jack and John.

And beside Miller's personality can only truly be read in MG2 Solid Snake and not MGS1 where it's Liquid in disquise the whole time, insert Cam Clark voice.