Microsoft is Destroying Xbox as a Platform

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Posted by Wolverine (4282 posts) -

When Xbox 360 was about to be released I couldn't be more excited. J Allard could literrally sell me on anything and I played a lot of original Xbox considering I got it at launch and never had a PS2. 360 turned out to be a great platform with a variety of games. Even though Allard left the platform still continued to grow, but then it took a turn.

Microsoft noticed how interested casual gamers were in Wii and they wanted to go after that market. They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of ads. They replaced gamer cards with these rediculous avatars that they can easily sell items for. They've forced all of their stupid fucking services into the experience like Bing and Zune. If I want to search something on the Dashboard when the new update comes out with my Kinect I actually have to say "Bing" before I say the word I'm searching for, why can't I just say search Microsoft?

I was watching their E3 press conference live and literally fell asleep. I woke up right before they announced Halo 4 and I wasn't even excited. MS sells Halo the same way they sell Office, with small iterations every three years. The Kinect stuff was pretty ridiculous, those demos was absolutely dreadful to watch.

Never trust Microsoft with a product you like, Steve Jobs was right, "they have no taste". Take at a look at what they did to the Rare site.

#1 Edited by Wolverine (4282 posts) -

When Xbox 360 was about to be released I couldn't be more excited. J Allard could literrally sell me on anything and I played a lot of original Xbox considering I got it at launch and never had a PS2. 360 turned out to be a great platform with a variety of games. Even though Allard left the platform still continued to grow, but then it took a turn.

Microsoft noticed how interested casual gamers were in Wii and they wanted to go after that market. They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of ads. They replaced gamer cards with these rediculous avatars that they can easily sell items for. They've forced all of their stupid fucking services into the experience like Bing and Zune. If I want to search something on the Dashboard when the new update comes out with my Kinect I actually have to say "Bing" before I say the word I'm searching for, why can't I just say search Microsoft?

I was watching their E3 press conference live and literally fell asleep. I woke up right before they announced Halo 4 and I wasn't even excited. MS sells Halo the same way they sell Office, with small iterations every three years. The Kinect stuff was pretty ridiculous, those demos was absolutely dreadful to watch.

Never trust Microsoft with a product you like, Steve Jobs was right, "they have no taste". Take at a look at what they did to the Rare site.

#2 Posted by Lunar_Aura (2778 posts) -

Heh, yep. The soulless and opportunistic looking Avatars from that Rare site really envelops MS's business model to a T.

Have an awesome utoob spam to get the real nitty gritty:

#3 Posted by vidiot (2737 posts) -

Regardless of the volatile conclusion of "Microsoft destroying Xbox as a platform", (although a lot of your points have been things that have been bothering me lately) I think it's pretty safe to say that Rare's website looks pretty freaking horrible.

#4 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

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#5 Posted by mnzy (2920 posts) -
@TheDudeOfGaming said:
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Modded cookies?
#6 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -
@mnzy said:
@TheDudeOfGaming said:
Get a PC, come on, join the side that can actually use mods, we have cookies.
Modded cookies?
Yeah man, they're known as adult brownies, when you're old enough you'll have a blast with them, or you can just get a plane ticket for Amsterdam right now.
#7 Posted by MEATBALL (3392 posts) -

I love crazy internet people.

#8 Posted by faunt (29 posts) -
@Wolverine said:

They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of adds.

Wut. I know nxe could be better but calling the old dash "beautiful" is kinda weird.
   
#9 Posted by Harbinger_Of_Hippos (224 posts) -

Shall I begin Operation: Purple Nuts? For those who don't know, Operation: Purple Nuts is a where we pay as many midgets as we can find to go to Bill Gates' house and headbutt him as hard as possible... in the junk.

#10 Posted by Lunar_Aura (2778 posts) -

@faunt: Blades were always superior to the disgusting NXE. There were a few people who knew what kind of ad-laden abomination NXE was going to be even before launch.

#11 Posted by Bollard (5747 posts) -
@faunt said:
@Wolverine said:

They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of adds.

Wut. I know nxe could be better but calling the old dash "beautiful" is kinda weird.
   
I think I just chundered. New dash is a lot crisper - (and less orange) - but the adverts are a fucking joke. It's a Premium service, you Microsoft bastards.
#12 Posted by buft (3321 posts) -

Interestingly for the first time in 4 years i have let my xbox gold expire, not because i dont like the service but because the Value added services they offer me with gold arent a good value proposition. I rarely play multiplayer as of late and i never use any of the new dashboard stuff like twitter. i use sky player but recently i have just watched it on the laptop

#13 Posted by Kyle (2324 posts) -

@faunt said:

@Wolverine said:

They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of adds.

Wut. I know nxe could be better but calling the old dash "beautiful" is kinda weird.

Yeah, seriously. I liked the blades too, but they had a ton of problems that NXE fixed. I think you really have rose-colored glasses about a lot of this stuff. Seems like you're sitting their gnashing your teeth about a bunch of things that don't actually lower the quality of experience on xbox at all. I agree with you about the E3 conferences, but ultimately wasting 90 minutes of my time once a year doesn't mean they're "ruining xbox." Have a little perspective.

#14 Posted by Mcfart (1712 posts) -
@Wolverine said:
They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard
Stopped reading there.
#15 Posted by JoeyRavn (5004 posts) -

I've been really interested in getting one of those "The End is Nigh" signs. Does anyone know where they're giving them away for free*?

*Only explanation I can get to for all the negativity in the gaming community lately.

#16 Posted by Wolverine (4282 posts) -

@faunt said:

@Wolverine said:

They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of adds.

Wut. I know nxe could be better but calling the old dash "beautiful" is kinda weird.

@Mcfart said:

@Wolverine said:
They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard
Stopped reading there.

Okay, maybe beautiful was an over statement, but the old dashboard was very organized. The blades just made so much more sense.

#17 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

I do hate the avatars so much and the fact you automatically get put on the advertisement pane as soon as your 360 boots up. Ridiculous.
 
Avatars, day/week one DLC and pre-order bonuses (well, in-game pre-order bonuses) are what I hate the most of this generation.

#18 Posted by Willin (1284 posts) -

Fuck Microsoft! How dare they make money!

#19 Posted by niamahai (1407 posts) -

@Lights_Up_The_Shaft said:

Fuck Microsoft! How dare they make money!

FIGHT DA POWAH! UH!

#20 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -

Personally, I think people who like Apple products have no taste and are generally hipsters who just want to latch onto the latest gizmo every 6 months.

I don't agree with Microsoft's decision to push towards the casual market, but that's where the money is. As long as they don't completely stop making 'core' games, I don't care what else they do. The new dashboard is a huge improvement, the ads aren't particularly intrusive and it's not like they didn't exist with the blades. It's just generally much easier to navigate, I'm really looking forward to the new one coming this year as well, which seems to be improving things further and brings it much more in line with the Windows 8 UI (plus it gets rid of that darned "what's new" page). The avatars are an obvious extension of the gamer pics we started with too, my only complaint with those is that we still don't really have a use for them.

#21 Posted by Tebbit (4480 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind: Before I got an iPhone I would have agreed with you, but man... Apple just puts so much thought into their user interfaces. They are a super-smart company, despite the crowd that popularises them.

#22 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -

I think it's awesome that Microsoft wants the Xbox to be more than just a game console. It's actually a smart move to add all the other services (Bing, Zune etc.). The whole point of a business is to expand and make more money.

#23 Posted by TorMasturba (1094 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind said:

Personally, I think people who like Apple products have no taste and are generally hipsters who just want to latch onto the latest gizmo every 6 months.

I don't agree with Microsoft's decision to push towards the casual market, but that's where the money is. As long as they don't completely stop making 'core' games, I don't care what else they do. The new dashboard is a huge improvement, the ads aren't particularly intrusive and it's not like they didn't exist with the blades. It's just generally much easier to navigate, I'm really looking forward to the new one coming this year as well, which seems to be improving things further and brings it much more in line with the Windows 8 UI (plus it gets rid of that darned "what's new" page). The avatars are an obvious extension of the gamer pics we started with too, my only complaint with those is that we still don't really have a use for them.

All good points. A question that I always wondered about was; With all these Avatar items that the Avatar interacts with, like for example the Halo remote control warthog, why can't anybody else see your remote control warthog?

Which then leads to the question, why should we pay for something that was designed to show everyone our gaming interests if when we've bought it they can't physically see it.

This is why I only ever dressed my character in the items I won from actual games. Otherwise the cost, even if it isn't anyway, simply wasn't worth the outcome.

#24 Posted by Monte (229 posts) -
@JoeyRavn said:

I've been really interested in getting one of those "The End is Nigh" signs. Does anyone know where they're giving them away for free*?

*Only explanation I can get to for all the negativity in the gaming community lately.

  
#25 Posted by Ramone (2976 posts) -

Oh, I'm sorry, I think I took a turn into crazy town.

#26 Posted by 02sfraser (847 posts) -

I'm going to stay away from the point of destroying it as a platform but they certainly seemed to have shifted their focus. And in terms of Rare you need to remember that it's essentially a new company so they have also shifted their focus. After the shift from Nintendo many of the original staff left which let Microsoft essentially rebuild it in their own image.

#27 Posted by faunt (29 posts) -
@Wolverine said: 

Okay, maybe beautiful was an over statement, but the old dashboard was very organized. The blades just made so much more sense.

If you press the guide button, something very similiar to blades shows up. I'm satisfied with that.
#28 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11435 posts) -

I miss the Blades so much... 
 
I'm also still pissed that they didn't drop the price of 360s at E3 like it was rumored they were going to. Mine broke a couple months ago (my second to break actually), but it was out of warranty, and I need a new one. Argh. 

#29 Edited by OldGuy (1571 posts) -

Huh. They have ads on the dashboard? Weird. I must keep missing them when I hit up once and then A to start my games (or wack the guide button to dig into HARDCORE menus. Hurrr. Hurrr.)...

#30 Posted by haggis (1677 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind said:

Personally, I think people who like Apple products have no taste and are generally hipsters who just want to latch onto the latest gizmo every 6 months.

I don't agree with Microsoft's decision to push towards the casual market, but that's where the money is. As long as they don't completely stop making 'core' games, I don't care what else they do. The new dashboard is a huge improvement, the ads aren't particularly intrusive and it's not like they didn't exist with the blades. It's just generally much easier to navigate, I'm really looking forward to the new one coming this year as well, which seems to be improving things further and brings it much more in line with the Windows 8 UI (plus it gets rid of that darned "what's new" page). The avatars are an obvious extension of the gamer pics we started with too, my only complaint with those is that we still don't really have a use for them.

I pretty much agree with all of this. I can't stand Apple's design aesthetic, which puts marketing above functionality. I don't much like Microsoft's going after the casual market either, but I don't see it having much effect on core gaming, so, whatever. The blade dashboard was a mess. On top of being slow and clunky, the service outgrew the blade configuration. It was getting clogged with new features. I'm not as negative toward the avatars, though I was a little irritated that Microsoft tried to obviously to ape Nintendo in that respect. Basically, I ignore them. The ads don't particularly bother me since the navigation is so fast on NXE that I hardly even notice them.
 
Just the other week I played on a friend's xbox that he's never updated, and the blades ... man, it was horrible. No rose-colored glasses here.
 
And what is it with all the doom and gloom with gamers these days? We have better games, more often, with almost too many releases to keep up with. A new generation of consoles is just around the corner, but games continue to look better on our consoles five years from release. I can't even keep up with the AAA titles coming out, let alone the second-tier games that look decent and XBLA games coming out. We're having a golden age of indie game development. I really just don't get it. It's a great time to be a gamer, and there's no reason to think that things aren't going to keep getting better.
#31 Edited by OldGuy (1571 posts) -
@haggis said:

And what is it with all the doom and gloom with gamers these days? We have better games, more often, with almost too many releases to keep up with. A new generation of consoles is just around the corner, but games continue to look better on our consoles five years from release. I can't even keep up with the AAA titles coming out, let alone the second-tier games that look decent and XBLA games coming out. We're having a golden age of indie game development. I really just don't get it. It's a great time to be a gamer, and there's no reason to think that things aren't going to keep getting better.

Hey, hey, hey! You can't let THOSE people in here. They're... unclean... They'll ruin the party for everyone! This is our (club, band, tv show... or what have you) and we need to keep it a walled garden so we're the only cool ones!
 
Sheesh.
 
Don't you know that it's NEVER good now, it was only good back in the past?
#32 Posted by Deathmachine117 (377 posts) -

As long as they still have video games that I can play on my xbox I couldnt really care what they do to the dashboard.

#33 Posted by ajamafalous (12121 posts) -

I think Blades is infinitely better than any iteration of NXE.

#34 Posted by JoeyRavn (5004 posts) -

@monte: Awesome episode. I love it when they change the status quo. And so true for some people...

#35 Posted by animathias (1194 posts) -

I disagree.

#36 Posted by blueaniman93 (604 posts) -

Anytime someone says Steve Jobs was right, I know they're wrong. Xbox is not what the fans want it to be, it is what Microsoft wants it to be. Microsoft can't be destroying the Xbox. They're expanding the audience and expanding the feautures.

#37 Posted by ProfessorEss (7468 posts) -

Maybe you're just too much of a hard-core, old-school, real gamer?

#38 Posted by RichardLOlson (1852 posts) -

I don't really have a problem with a majority of what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox.  Other then the Kinect and some of the features on the dashboard.  I think they have a lot potential to do something really great with it all, but now since they gonna show the new Xbox at E3 2012, I'm hoping they'll start with something fresh and step away from the body controller bullshit.

#39 Posted by c0l0nelp0c0rn1 (1811 posts) -

Seamus is right, but I'm part of the problem. I really like Halo. However, they don't have to make a new one every three years, they could just sell those that want to continue playing DLC.

#40 Posted by Halberdierv2 (1876 posts) -

honestly, everyone has known for a long time that Microsoft is greedy, and would kill the soul of its system if it meant some more bucks.

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#41 Edited by RE_Player1 (7573 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind Now see I hate that blanket statement about Apple. Fan boys for any company are terrible but I happen to enjoy the occasional Apple products I purchase. I bought a shuffle for listening to music while running and I love it, bought my iMac 4 years ago and it's still kicking, won my iPad last year and I have increased my web browsing especially on Whiskey Media sites ten fold. I understand you might not like the people who camp out or jerk off to every word Steve Jobs says but Apple does put out some good products.

I think MS has done amazing things this generation and some terrible things. The dashboard and avatar stuff looks and feels very cool, much more personal than PSN with exception to the ads. Now the bombardment of Kinect features like in the next Ghost Recon or the milking of the Halo franchise, I can see them releasing multiple Halo games every year now that Bungie is out, has me worried. And Rare... It just makes me depressed see a great developer, or at least once great because there has been so much change in staff there, be reduced to motion sports franchises. At least do something good with the Perfect Dark IP.

#42 Posted by Zidd (1857 posts) -

@Wolverine said:

They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of adds. They replaced gamer cards with these rediculous avatars that they can easily sell items for. They've forced all of there stupid fucking services into the experience like Bing and Zune.

You are remembering the Blades UX too fondly. It was a nightmare to navigate the marketplace on it and it too also had ads even in the xbox guide. Gamercards never went away either. While Zune and Bing are on the 360 its not like you have to use it.

#44 Posted by MysteriousBob (6272 posts) -
@Mcfart said:
@Wolverine said:
They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard
Stopped reading there.
Same here.
#45 Posted by Skald (4369 posts) -

They still sell vidja games.

#46 Posted by OldGuy (1571 posts) -
@RichardLOlson said:
I don't really have a problem with a majority of what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox.  Other then the Kinect and some of the features on the dashboard.  I think they have a lot potential to do something really great with it all, but now since they gonna show the new Xbox at E3 2012, I'm hoping they'll start with something fresh and step away from the body controller bullshit.
Not gonna happen. You are just going to have to deal with it or move over to PC gaming. I have Kinect, I like it (for the few <very few> things that have worked well)... but when it's not plugged in do you know what difference it makes in my navigation of the New, New XBE? None. (well, there's that one extra box on one of the channels, but I never get that far right so I don't ever encounter it)...
 
I still don't understand the problems people have with the dash... the ONLY time I work right on any of the channels is if I haven't checked Nelsons' blog for the deal of the week otherwise I don't see any of the stuff people complain about. (maybe I'm the weird one?)
#47 Posted by coakroach (2492 posts) -

It still fucking plays video games doesn't it?

#48 Posted by BulletStorm (488 posts) -

I've never liked Xbox's UI options. Although I did really like NXE when it first killed the blades, I do kinda miss it a little bit. Remember when you'd press the big'ol'Xbox button, and that blade would come over? And you could launch music from there?

But, I mean. Honestly.

Microsoft is NOT KILLING THE XBOX... as a gaming platform. Maybe as a platform for other things, but I don't give a fuck about how accessible buying or streaming music, movies and shit like that is.

Xbox is still my preferred Netflix box. Xbox is still a great gaming platform. So there.

#49 Posted by Hunkulese (2833 posts) -

I put in discs in and then play games. Seems exactly the same to me.

#50 Posted by Helushune (215 posts) -

@Wolverine said:

When Xbox 360 was about to be released I couldn't be more excited. J Allard could literrally sell me on anything and I played a lot of original Xbox considering I got it at launch and never had a PS2. 360 turned out to be a great platform with a variety of games. Even though Allard left the platform still continued to grow, but then it took a turn.

Microsoft noticed how interested casual gamers were in Wii and they wanted to go after that market. They destroyed the once beautiful dashboard with the NXE that feels awkward to navigate and has tons of adds. They replaced gamer cards with these rediculous avatars that they can easily sell items for. They've forced all of there stupid fucking services into the experience like Bing and Zune. If I want to search something on the Dashboard when the new update comes out with my Kinect I actually have to say "Bing" before I say the word I'm searching for, why can't I just say search Microsoft?

I was watching there E3 press conference live and literally fell asleep. I woke up right before they announced Halo 4 and I wasn't even excited. MS sells Halo the same way they sell Office, with small iterations every three years. The Kinect stuff was pretty ridiculous, those demos was absolutely dreadful to watch.

Never trust Microsoft with a product you like, Steve Jobs was right, "they have no taste". Take at a look at what they did to the Rare site.

I agree with you on the casual thing but that seemed to stem more when they decided to push hard with Kinect. Minecraft for the 360? Meh; I could care less. Child of Eden is the only Kinect game I even care about since I'm a huge Rez fan and you can play it without Kinect. I'd say they're more like an ADD child that gives all its attention to something for a while then drops it in interest for something else. Right now, their focus seems to be WP7 and they've put the 360 on the back burner.

The initial iteration of the NXE was pretty good, much better than those horrid blades. But it's become clunky and obnoxious to use.

We release more than one Halo game every three years. I would know since I've been working on the MS side of the franchise for over 5 years now. The current rate is about one every year and half.

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