Notch vs. Yogscast - A Storm of Tweets

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#51 Posted by MikkaQ (10288 posts) -

@benpicko said:

@Sooty said:

I still don't understand why the fuck you would want an autograph of some guys that make Minecraft let's plays.

The same reason you'd want to get an interview with somebody who's been in a movie. They're somewhat famous, and they entertain you.

Yeah but one person does something interesting for a living, the other... not so much. Plus there's a galaxy of difference in the level of fame there.

The whole concept of autographs is pretty stupid anyway, I'd rather just chat with someone rather than have them sign useless junk that I'll put on a shelf and never look at again.

#52 Posted by amomjc (977 posts) -

Isn't Yogscast the ones that made that really stupid Terraria video?

#53 Edited by Bongos (186 posts) -

I always knew notch was full of it. Good job to the Yogscast of being the better man in all this.

#54 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

Notch seems like an ass.

#55 Posted by benpicko (2008 posts) -

After reading the Yogscast's reply, I think Notch looks like an idiot. Seriously, selling off their panel to IGN without telling them? WTF.

#56 Posted by Akrid (1356 posts) -

I love the yogscast, but they've always struck me as totally thoughtless people. I'd guess that everything Notch has claimed is true to some extent.
 
That said, it's petty of him to attack their livelihood over this, accidentally or no.

#57 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@McGhee said:
I can't take anyone serious that calls himself "Notch".
Your name is no longer grey and obnoxiously long and underscore-infested. You're no fun anymore.
#58 Posted by Irvandus (2878 posts) -

@Murray said:

I believe I read that Notch hadn't been sleeping like at all, when he wrote that + he's prolly pretty stressed out. So maybe he just overreacted? I mean, at least when I'm not feeling well I get cranky as shit. I really don't think that Yogscast are such big assholes as Notch wrote.

#59 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@benpicko said:

After reading the Yogscast's reply, I think Notch looks like an idiot. Seriously, selling off their panel to IGN without telling them? WTF.

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#60 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -
@AhmadMetallic said:
Your name is no longer grey and obnoxiously long and underscore-infested. You're no fun anymore.
Notch gets away with it. Why can't I? Do you know he use to go by "Just_Another_Notch_in_My_Belt" before he got all rich and internet famous?
#61 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@McGhee said:
@AhmadMetallic said:
Your name is no longer grey and obnoxiously long and underscore-infested. You're no fun anymore.
Notch gets away with it. Why can't I? Do you know he use to go by "Just_Another_Notch_in_My_Belt" before he got all rich and internet famous?
You make a good case.
#62 Posted by benpicko (2008 posts) -

Notch responded to the reddit thread with 'Fair Enough.'

#63 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
#64 Posted by heat (190 posts) -

Guy also dropped $5,000 on a watch and then went on to spend $10,000 on a charity auction. Literally trying to buy himself good press with that auction

#65 Edited by PokeIkzai (385 posts) -

Man are there idiots on twitter defending Yogcast. "YOU LIED ADMIT IT NOTCH YOU LIEEEED" it's like... grow up. Please?

EDIT: They aren't idiots for defending Yogcast. It's how they're going about it. Poor wording on my end. Sorry.

#66 Posted by SoothsayerGB (1468 posts) -

Simon and Lewis should have stayed behind the curtain. Along with cynical Brit.

#67 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

I'm very confused as to why he said all of that if it wasn't true. It either happened, he took jokes too seriously, or he's an ass and lied about it. I have serious doubts that being tired and stressed can cause you to have hallucinations of random people being rude.

#68 Posted by Butano (1736 posts) -

@SamFo said:

@Sooty: i still dont understand why there is a minecraft convention!

Yea, same here.

#69 Posted by MiniPato (2735 posts) -

@CL60 said:

I'm very confused as to why he said all of that if it wasn't true. It either happened, he took jokes too seriously, or he's an ass and lied about it. I have serious doubts that being tired and stressed can cause you to have hallucinations of random people being rude.

It could very well have been hearsay. He probably already didn't like the Yogscast for whatever reason and took rumors to be true since it supported his dislike for them.

#70 Posted by adoggz (2067 posts) -

@Butano said:

@SamFo said:

@Sooty: i still dont understand why there is a minecraft convention!

Yea, same here.

cause the guy who made minecraft wanted to have one.

#71 Posted by august (3845 posts) -

Okay, so... yogscast wasn't paid to come, then Mojang sold the video of the panel to IGN?

That's pretty fucked up!

#72 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@august said:

Okay, so... yogscast wasn't paid to come, then Mojang sold the video of the panel to IGN?

That's pretty fucked up!

Then Notch proceeded to bash Yogscast with things that apparently never even happened.
#73 Posted by benpicko (2008 posts) -

@CL60 said:

@august said:

Okay, so... yogscast wasn't paid to come, then Mojang sold the video of the panel to IGN?

That's pretty fucked up!

Then Notch proceeded to bash Yogscast with things that apparently never even happened.

And then he had a go at them for swearing in their panel, even though they rehearsed it in front of of Mojang and they said it was fine.

#74 Posted by RandomInternetUser (6789 posts) -

@august said:

Okay, so... yogscast wasn't paid to come, then Mojang sold the video of the panel to IGN?

That's pretty fucked up!

For real, that is shitty.

#75 Posted by Fobwashed (2059 posts) -

@benpicko said:

@Sooty said:

I still don't understand why the fuck you would want an autograph of some guys that make Minecraft let's plays.

The same reason you'd want to get an interview with somebody who's been in a movie. They're somewhat famous, and they entertain you.

I don't understand the whole autograph thing in general. Aside from increasing the value of something to sell it to people who care about that kind of stuff (which again I don't get), the autograph seems sorta crazy. Especially nowadays when every phone has a camera. I do understand the want to have a connection to someone you admire or respect but the idea of attaining that through a scribble of a pen seems sorta. . . I dunno, desperate? I'd say one of the people I'd love to meet the most would be Miyamoto, and if someone had say a DS signed by him, I'd think more along the lines of "that's so cool that you got to meet him" over "oh man, I wish I had a signed DS". I don't want a signed DS (aside from again, being able to sell it to people who would pay), I want to meet Miyamoto. Meh.

#76 Posted by Vexxan (4620 posts) -
@Sooty said:

I still don't understand why the fuck you would want an autograph of some guys that make Minecraft let's plays.

This.
#77 Edited by RandomInternetUser (6789 posts) -

@Fobwashed said:

@benpicko said:

@Sooty said:

I still don't understand why the fuck you would want an autograph of some guys that make Minecraft let's plays.

The same reason you'd want to get an interview with somebody who's been in a movie. They're somewhat famous, and they entertain you.

I don't understand the whole autograph thing in general. Aside from increasing the value of something to sell it to people who care about that kind of stuff (which again I don't get), the autograph seems sorta crazy. Especially nowadays when every phone has a camera. I do understand the want to have a connection to someone you admire or respect but the idea of attaining that through a scribble of a pen seems sorta. . . I dunno, desperate? I'd say one of the people I'd love to meet the most would be Miyamoto, and if someone had say a DS signed by him, I'd think more along the lines of "that's so cool that you got to meet him" over "oh man, I wish I had a signed DS". I don't want a signed DS (aside from again, being able to sell it to people who would pay), I want to meet Miyamoto. Meh.

It's just a memento of the time you met someone famous(ish) that you admire I would say. I wouldn't really care to have something signed, but I could see why someone would want a memento of the time they met their favorite dude.

#78 Posted by Fobwashed (2059 posts) -

@SamFo said:

@Sooty: i still dont understand why there is a minecraft convention!

Why not? Just a way for people who like something to gather with other people who like what you like. I haven't played the game so while a minecraft convention isn't appealing to me, I'd go to all sorts of stupid themed conventions if they were close by and at the right price. A giant bomb convention for example is something I'd prolly check out. I've been to a comic con a long ass time ago when Jackie Chan was still a thing. I wouldn't mind checking out a Star Trek con if it were close by if only to experience what I've only seen on TV and movies. I do sorta want to go to PAX but it's too far away and too much effort -_-;; Though, I just ranted about not understanding the deal with people wanting autographs so we're both in a state of nonunderstandability =P

#79 Posted by Fobwashed (2059 posts) -

@xobballox said:

@Fobwashed said:

@benpicko said:

@Sooty said:

I still don't understand why the fuck you would want an autograph of some guys that make Minecraft let's plays.

The same reason you'd want to get an interview with somebody who's been in a movie. They're somewhat famous, and they entertain you.

I don't understand the whole autograph thing in general. Aside from increasing the value of something to sell it to people who care about that kind of stuff (which again I don't get), the autograph seems sorta crazy. Especially nowadays when every phone has a camera. I do understand the want to have a connection to someone you admire or respect but the idea of attaining that through a scribble of a pen seems sorta. . . I dunno, desperate? I'd say one of the people I'd love to meet the most would be Miyamoto, and if someone had say a DS signed by him, I'd think more along the lines of "that's so cool that you got to meet him" over "oh man, I wish I had a signed DS". I don't want a signed DS (aside from again, being able to sell it to people who would pay), I want to meet Miyamoto. Meh.

It's just a memento of the time you met someone famous(ish) that you admire I would say. I wouldn't really care to have something signed, but I could see why someone would want a memento of the time they met their favorite dude.

Yea, I totally get wanting a memento, but just the autograph in particular seems weird to me. Especially on something that you're not going to like keep or frame or something. Like a mousepad. The only times I've ever gotten anything autographed was at the request of someone else to get it for them or as a joke. I met Fabio at a convention, took a picture with him for my own keepsake and got him to sign a ridiculous picture of him crawling on the beach made out to his biggest fan "Kahvin" which is my friend Kevin, with his name spelled incorrectly. Yea. . . if you're going to keep it or display it, makes a lot more sense. But when it's like, on a scrap of paper, or a mousepad, or some other ridiculous thing that will most likely be trash or totally forgotten in a few weeks. I just don't get it. I'm not against it, or hating on it. Just sayin, iono =P

#80 Posted by avidwriter (667 posts) -

Seems like Notch went off on a little rant rant there and later regretted it.

#81 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

Even with statements from both parties there seems to be something up, since Yogscast say everything was fine and Mojang say they were hard to work with.

It's a shame this has happened and sounds like it was just a misunderstanding that went way out of proportion.

#82 Posted by SpacePenguin (478 posts) -

Notch actualy just tweeted "Hey,@YogCast! I'm sorry about being a dick."

#83 Posted by Deusx (1903 posts) -

Here is the response from the Yogscast... I guess Notch acted like a child.

We’re sure many of you have seen or heard about Notch’s post-Minecon tweets, which were not what we expected to see when we got off the plane from Minecon – we’ve had a sleep now and recovered a bit, so this is our response:

We are very disappointed by these tweets from someone we admire and respect. We can understand that it was the morning after the deadmau5 party and Notch was very tired, but we are still fairly upset. The quotes and actions that Notch attributed to us were not said by us or published anywhere by us. Therefore we are surprised and confused about where this stuff has come from - especially since the only time we spoke to Notch was at the interview.

Regarding dropping f-bombs at the show - we apologise for this, but had rehearsed the whole show in front of the organisers and half of Mojang and they had approved it. We were given no guidelines or oversight in the weeks leading up to Minecon and there were ample opportunities at the rehearsal for Mojang to inform us of problems, such as being careful about swearing, which is pretty common in our youtube videos.

Out of all the tweets that Notch sent out, most hurtful was the accusation that we told a kid to “fuck off” and crossed out another signature – which is something we would never ever do.

We loved spending time with fans and were overwhelmed by how many people were there to support us and give us gifts. Simon has enough Jaffas to last him until the middle of 2012. The problem was that Minecon is a new show and organisation was pretty bad, and when we came to the scheduled signing sessions, nothing had been set up for us and we had to scrabble around to fetch tables, ropes and pens ourselves. With some younger kids around, it was our priority to make sure everything was safe, as we have seen injuries in the past.

This lack of organization contributed to long and confused lines and we were heartbroken to have to turn away so many people when we ran out of time. Simon can only handle a certain amount of time between cups of coffee and nicotine tablets before collapsing, but we made a real effort to get out there and managed to do about six hours of signing. Although we were frustrated, we would never have treated fans in the way that Notch suggested we did.

We were also unhappy and surprised that a week before Minecon, Mojang informed us that they had sold the rights to livestream our show and content to IGN – they hadn’t asked us, they hadn’t spoken to us – they just sold it. Because of this, we nearly cancelled the trip, but decided to say “balls to it” and come anyway, because we felt we owed it to the fans. Hannah actually spoke with IGN directly earlier, and they agreed to take their video down and let us put the videos up on our channel, so a big thanks to them for that.

We were not paid, and never demanded to be paid. We asked for some support, and Mojang said they could offer us two hotel rooms for the duration of the stay and a small boardroom to rest in. We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us, act as security, make videos/posts and generally help out. We also gave away 100 special t-shirts for free.

The reason we came to Minecon is because we wanted to thank you guys and meet the community that we love and are a part of. We couldn’t have gotten to where we are now without you guys, and so we decided to eat the costs of attending and just have fun. This is why we spent our panel giving a voice to loads of talented people that couldn’t attend but have made Minecraft what it is today.

We’re not gonna stop making videos, not going to stop loving you guys, and hopefully we’ll see you at more gaming conventions in the future.

Lewis & Simon & Hannah

#84 Posted by Parkingtigers (175 posts) -

@SpacePenguin said:

Notch actualy just tweeted "Hey,@YogCast! I'm sorry about being a dick."

And then immediately replied to someone else repeating the claims that YOGSCAST swore at kids. He's not admitting to have done anything wrong, he's just regretting the public shitstorm that he created.

Yogscast are correct, he is just a nerd that doesn't know how to run a company. Every single time Notch posts or tweets he digs himself deeper into the hole. The Yogs on the other hand have been nothing but class and graciousness personified in all of this. Which is incredibly big of them considering that they were publicly slandered by Notch while they were flying back to the UK, when they had no way of responding, they had a rabid Notch fan meet them at the airport to abuse them, their site came under a series of DDoS attacks (which is costing them revenue) and their reputations have been damaged and they may not get invited to future events by other companies.

All of this because one big man-baby couldn't stop himself from jumping on Twitter and shouting a bunch of baseless claims, none of which fit with the evidence from Minecon itself. He called them an island of egos, when they spent most of their panel time doing nothing but praising as many members of the modding community as they could. He says they were hard to work with, after they spent thousands of dollars of their own money flying to Vegas, all so they could work for free (and have that work sold on to IGN without their consent).

I've gained huge respect for the people that make silly YouTube videos in all of this affair, but Notch is just coming across as completely inept both socially and professionally. Having a launch party for Minecraft was ridiculous anyway. People spending $100 to celebrate what was basically just a price increase of the game? Because that's all it was. Mojang didn't even leave a competent coder back in Sweden so there was no-one to fix the day one bug that prevented people being able to connect to multiplayer servers.

They are clownshoes, total fucking clownshoes. Shitting all over the most ardent supporters that you have is just indecent on all levels.

#85 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Sitoxity said:

Even with statements from both parties there seems to be something up, since Yogscast say everything was fine and Mojang say they were hard to work with.

It's a shame this has happened and sounds like it was just a misunderstanding that went way out of proportion.

It sounds more like Minecon was not set up right. Chances are thats what made it ALL hard. A few people are reporting the con was real unorgnized. 
#86 Posted by allworkandlowpay (874 posts) -

This is why indie developers need to hire PR reps.

On an unrelated note -- hey Notch, here's my resume and cover letter.

#87 Posted by Mikemcn (6988 posts) -

Signing autographs must be a mind numbingly boring process.

#88 Posted by Rawson (136 posts) -

@allworkandlowpay said:

This is why indie developers need to hire PR reps.

On an unrelated note -- hey Notch, here's my resume and cover letter.

They have a PR rep. It's MinecraftChick.

No, that's not a joke.

#89 Posted by Godak (166 posts) -

@Rawson said:

@allworkandlowpay said:

This is why indie developers need to hire PR reps.

On an unrelated note -- hey Notch, here's my resume and cover letter.

They have a PR rep. It's MinecraftChick.

No, that's not a joke.

...What?

I have nothing against people with pink hair, but, guys, she has pink hair.

And it probably doesn't even taste like cotton candy.

#90 Posted by Dagbiker (6976 posts) -

@Godak said:

@Rawson said:

@allworkandlowpay said:

This is why indie developers need to hire PR reps.

On an unrelated note -- hey Notch, here's my resume and cover letter.

They have a PR rep. It's MinecraftChick.

No, that's not a joke.

...What?

I have nothing against people with pink hair, but, guys, she has pink hair.

And it probably doesn't even taste like cotton candy.

If you are a Pr Person, and you are undermined, and invalidated by your boss, then you need to find another job.

#91 Posted by Bistromath (612 posts) -

Swedes are a shifty folk, turn your back for a minute and they'll swipe your monk swag.

#92 Posted by RIDEBIRD (1232 posts) -

I think what he meant was actual PR rep and not just some chick that digs Minecraft and tweets and, I dunno, ponies.

#93 Posted by MikkaQ (10288 posts) -

@Godak said:

@Rawson said:

@allworkandlowpay said:

This is why indie developers need to hire PR reps.

On an unrelated note -- hey Notch, here's my resume and cover letter.

They have a PR rep. It's MinecraftChick.

No, that's not a joke.

...What?

I have nothing against people with pink hair, but, guys, she has pink hair.

And it probably doesn't even taste like cotton candy.

Looks like the girl from LazyTown finally got a real job!

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