DISCLAIMER:

PC versus Console

Dedicated servers or Not?

Summary

DISCLAIMER:

PC versus Console

Dedicated servers or Not?

Summary

" You basically have the same stance on the game as I do. I appreciate how you went about this, maybe people who are unsure about why the PC community is in such an uproar about the the mess will understand after reading this.

" Im still debating whether or not to buy it on 360 or PC.  "

Do we really need more topics about this?

These PC Elitists are really getting old.  While I agree that not having dedicated servers for MW2 sucks, I don't think that's a good enough reason to make a post like this.  Go sign the online petition and move on.  
 
You took more time to explain why you make love to PC's and why you shit on consoles then you did with the actual point of your post.

" @MasterOfPenguins_Zell: Kind of an odd question to ask really. If you think that I shouldn't post MY thoughts on MY blog then I would say that you have gotten something completely wrong. I am merely writing up MY thoughts and hope that someone will find them worthwhile and if you think thats wrong well.... I don't really care.   Did you even bother to read the whole thing? "

" These PC Elitists are really getting old.  While I agree that not having dedicated servers for MW2 sucks, I don't think that's a good enough reason to make a post like this.  Go sign the online petition and move on.   You took more time to explain why you make love to PC's and why you shit on consoles then you did with the actual point of your post. "

" @RsistncE: Good addition to this unneeded thread! 
@Gditz: Thanks for this thread, I'm sure having as many as these as we can is the BEST way to go about the situation.  Seriously guys, why vent? I can see the annoyance of having your games without dedicated servers, but dude.. The PC market had to get into some sort of control at some point. They're making money, they're stopping pirates, they're doing what IMO is the way forward, hopefully there will be a way to get some sort of balance, this is a good step in the right direction. Lets hope they see this and take more of a Valve approach later on? "

" @RsistncE: No need to be a dick.  Anyway, all of the guys who have signed the petition, cried over the changes are all going to buy the game and have a great time. I can guarantee it. The people who are that upset and don't buy the game will be left out in the cold. Activision aren't going to care, no one is. You're 100k estimate is a nothing considering the fact everyone and they're dogs will be buying this game. "

"  

 
Want to play an great .mkv video file on your PS3? Oh I'm sorry, cant help you. 
 
You want to chill to a sweet .flac music file? This is a 360, not jukebox.
 
   

 " chatting, working, purchasing or perhaps even listening to music. Sure, most if not all of these things can be done on the consoles."   
 
actually most of those things CAN be done on consoles. 

hmm

microsoft should merge the xbox and PC formats so both platforms can use the same disks. This is gonna require a radical shift in all fields but thats where I like to see things go.

" microsoft should merge the xbox and PC formats so both platforms can use the same disks. This is gonna require a radical shift in all fields but thats where I like to see things go. "

" @PureRok: If theres a will, theres a way. Besides, Microsoft is in the business of making standards and they ARE a hardware company as well. "

whatever rocks your cradle at night.

All right, how about I buy this game for the PC and have fun. :) 

"  " chatting, working, purchasing or perhaps even listening to music. Sure, most if not all of these things can be done on the consoles."    
 
actually most of those things CAN be done on consoles.  "

" @kitsune_conundrum said:

" @PureRok: If theres a will, theres a way. Besides, Microsoft is in the business of making standards and they ARE a hardware company as well. "

Nope, they're a software company. "

" whatever rocks your cradle at night. "

Omfg, who gives a shit about this? Honestly. I could care less about this sever stuff.

" Omfg, who gives a shit about this? Honestly. I could care less about this sever stuff. "

" All right, how about I buy this game for the PC and have fun. :)  "

 @TwoOneFive: Yes, it can be done on consoles. Thats why I said so in my first post although working on a console is harder. Just compare how many PCs are used in companies with how many consoles that are used in the workplace. Not everyone can work with consoles ;)
 
@Pibo47:
I could care less about you but I don't go out of my way to say so and just sprout non-sense. Your question is so absurd as well because "who cares?" is basically why this blog-post was made! To see if anyone else feels the same as I and get a debate going. Thanks for your "contribution"....
 

As for the whole "Make the PC and 360s discs work with each other" its never going to happen. One of the reasons why consoles are so profitable is because pirating is "harder" than on the PC. On the PC its all a matter of software but on some consoles you need to mod your hardware (or have someone else do it) which keeps a large group from pirating. Like I said in my first post, they keep you in their control, their "world". Not only would getting 360 games to work on the PC be stupid from an economic view due to piracy but also because who would buy a 360 then? A lot of families in this day and age have computers and if you could just pop your 360 games in it play online without paying a subscription then why would you ever buy a 360?
 
 Microsoft would be shooting themselves in the foot, with a double-barrelled harpoon gun.
 
Ouch
 
Anyways, I think this debate is pretty much done but I felt like at least replying to your comments. 
 
Thank you all for reading/commenting
  
~Simon 'should-be-studying-for-the-exam' Grunditz

I'm probably going to cut and paste this into every one of these bitching threads, but this is the first, so here we go!
 
1. Stop using "PC gamer" as a synonym for "Dedicated server enthusiast." As a PC gamer who has extensive experience with both dedicated server systems and matchmaking, I can say that I'd rather have matchmaking, but can see and have felt the benefits of both.
 2. Just because you have found ways to navigate the dedicated server system, does not mean it is an easy system to navigate. The need to find clean, well-run, low-ping, same-skill servers is immediately eliminated with matchmaking, where you are not fucked over on skill, and not at the mercy of the whims of the server and the people that frequent it.
3. This is not an assault on the glory of humanity. This is a business decision about a single video game. They feel that they can make this game more accessible by having a matchmaking system, they are not insulting you personally. Stop acting like a sin has been committed against you.
4. The game will still be really fun, even without custom rules and a pub-like setting. Refusing to buy it because you consider the dedicated server system to be a hallowed tradition of PC games is masochistic and reactionary.
5. "Go back to your consoles" is not an argument, it's the rallying cry to which the PC game community marches to their own deaths.

" I'm probably going to cut and paste this into every one of these bitching threads, but this is the first, so here we go!  1. Stop using "PC gamer" as a synonym for "Dedicated server enthusiast." As a PC gamer who has extensive experience with both dedicated server systems and matchmaking, I can say that I'd rather have matchmaking, but can see and have felt the benefits of both.  2. Just because you have found ways to navigate the dedicated server system, does not mean it is an easy system to navigate. The need to find clean, well-run, low-ping, same-skill servers is immediately eliminated with matchmaking, where you are not fucked over on skill, and not at the mercy of the whims of the server and the people that frequent it. 3. This is not an assault on the glory of humanity. This is a business decision about a single video game. They feel that they can make this game more accessible by having a matchmaking system, they are not insulting you personally. Stop acting like a sin has been committed against you. 4. The game will still be really fun, even without custom rules and a pub-like setting. Refusing to buy it because you consider the dedicated server system to be a hallowed tradition of PC games is masochistic and reactionary. 5. "Go back to your consoles" is not an argument, it's the rallying cry to which the PC game community marches to their own deaths. "

" @Baillie said:

" @RsistncE: No need to be a dick.  Anyway, all of the guys who have signed the petition, cried over the changes are all going to buy the game and have a great time. I can guarantee it. The people who are that upset and don't buy the game will be left out in the cold. Activision aren't going to care, no one is. You're 100k estimate is a nothing considering the fact everyone and they're dogs will be buying this game. "

No they won't be, I don't think you get it. This isn't a L4D2 style boycott. This is basically saying "man this game is useless to me now because I can't play competitively/I'll get bad lag/I can't play on server X/etc. so I guess I'll buy L4D2 instead". People aren't angry because of some idealitic view Activision violated, they're angry because IW and Activision literally fucked the game up and now it really isn't worth it to buy it on the PC. Those people if they own consoles might buy it for that system but they won't be for the PC because they'd rather spend their money on a different AAA title that will be a much better online PC game. Besides didn't you already read how Bowling and the rest of IW took notice of the petition and all the anger really fast and said, "we're going to have to monitor the situation and see how we'll deal with it."  My 100K estimate is nothing? ~$6 million USD is nothing? I'm not sure what planet you live on but Activision would be pretty bummed if they lost out that much revenue. "

" @RsistncE said:

" @Baillie said:

" @RsistncE: No need to be a dick.  Anyway, all of the guys who have signed the petition, cried over the changes are all going to buy the game and have a great time. I can guarantee it. The people who are that upset and don't buy the game will be left out in the cold. Activision aren't going to care, no one is. You're 100k estimate is a nothing considering the fact everyone and they're dogs will be buying this game. "

No they won't be, I don't think you get it. This isn't a L4D2 style boycott. This is basically saying "man this game is useless to me now because I can't play competitively/I'll get bad lag/I can't play on server X/etc. so I guess I'll buy L4D2 instead". People aren't angry because of some idealitic view Activision violated, they're angry because IW and Activision literally fucked the game up and now it really isn't worth it to buy it on the PC. Those people if they own consoles might buy it for that system but they won't be for the PC because they'd rather spend their money on a different AAA title that will be a much better online PC game. Besides didn't you already read how Bowling and the rest of IW took notice of the petition and all the anger really fast and said, "we're going to have to monitor the situation and see how we'll deal with it."  My 100K estimate is nothing? ~$6 million USD is nothing? I'm not sure what planet you live on but Activision would be pretty bummed if they lost out that much revenue. "

That would be less than one percent of revenue this game will probably pull in...IF every person didn't buy the game.  Plus they will be charging for DLC.  They pay people to figure this stuff out.  I doubt a bunch of 16 year olds on the internet know more about this than professionals do.    "

" Change containers from mkv to vob, you fail. Credibility lost.   Putting out formats that no on uses and being too stupid to convert a picture or music file is not my fault.  More pros then cons by my decision to go PS3 and ditching out on PC. As much as both PS3 and 360 are consoles, don't confuse thee shitty way MS does things with Sony.  PSN will never cost a sub fee, because Sony isn't stupid and they even have an open policy about their online system......like PCs. Sony allows for private dedicated servers, mods, kb/m support in any game. Any 1st party game that needs it also gets full dedicated server support. Your comment about playing with friends on a server that you wanted to play with more. Adding them to your friends list beatss just playing on that server. When did the server matter more then the people? You would add them to Xfire and maybe play other games as well with them.   The audience that went for PCs has been cut into by consoles ever since PC only devs in the past have gone to the console side. "

 Like I said already, it's about the people I play with, no matter what game, or how it works. I don't know you can think and feel a certain fact, but I'm not one to judge......wait....sure I am.  Oh, my Nullriver Mediallink can stream my Apple Lossless and RAW, PDF, EPS, TGA, PS formats to my PS3. Tversity can do FLAC.  "

"Do we really need more topics about this? "