Naughty Dog seems to have forgotten what made them great.

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#1 Edited by Twitchey (962 posts) -

The first two games that really got me into video games were Crash Bandicoot and Jak and Daxter the Precursor Legacy. Both are Naughty Dog games. Although both really got me into video games, Jak and Daxter really connected to me.  
 
Jak and Daxter  
Every game in the original series are amazing to me. If I had the games, I would replay them in a heartbeat. The art style in Jak and Daxter is breathtaking. Every area from Sandover Village to Rock Village looked stunning even on early PS2 graphics.  Although with Jak 2 and Jak 3 they decided to take a different, more GTA route, the gameplay still felt great. There was still the different art style that varied from region to region. The addition of "Dark" Jak and "Light" Jak made the gameplay better in my opinion. Then after the release of Jak X, Naughty Dog completely fucked the series in the ass... Jak X was fun, don't get me wrong, but it didn't feel like a Jak and Daxter game. Then Jak and Daxter the Lost Frontier came. Being developed by High Impact Games with Naughty Dog co-developing at times. I never played this one since I didn't own a PSP or PS2 at the time of it's release, so I will not discuss it since I have no experience with it.
 
Crash Bandicoot
Crash was probably the most iconic figure for the PS and PS2 era. The gameplay was simple, but enjoyable. You were a Bandicoot on a mission, you learned no skills through out the game and there were no gimmicks. The later two games added new things like vehicle levels and 3d planes (Like Y-axis, not flying machines). Then after the third game they released CTR, which was still a fun to play racing game.  Then Traveller's Tales and Radical Entertainment got their hands on the series and turned Crash into something he did not deserve to be. They gave him a new 21st century look with tattoos and more spiky hair on his face. It just didn't look right. 
 
It seems to me that Naughy Dog follows a pattern. After releasing three main games. they release a racing game, then hand the franchise off to another developer. So I'm guessing in 2012 we can see Uncharted: Drake's Drivers coming to stores. 

I wish they wouldn't do this, they make great wacky out of the world games and they always write a great story for them. Uncharted has a great story even if the game is serious. 
So Giantbomb, do you agree with me that Naughty Dog has forgotten the games that made them one of Playstations greatest exclusive developers?

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#2 Posted by IBurningStar (2258 posts) -

No, I don't.

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#3 Posted by coakroach (2497 posts) -

In Crash 3 you learned a body slam, a superspin, a double jump. 
And a bazooka. 
I'd like to see Naughty Dog go back to making crazy cartoonish worlds too, but they've done only good things with Uncharted.

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#4 Posted by macandcheese (262 posts) -

If this means they make less Uncharted the hell NO, I think  they can make what they want. They have earned my trust to know what they are doing.

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#5 Posted by Twitchey (962 posts) -
@coakroach: Oh yea, I should have elaborated more that you learned no new skills in the first game. 
 If they could pull it off. I would love to see a new franchise entirely that has the craziness of Crash with the gameplay of Jak.
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#6 Posted by Ragdrazi (2258 posts) -

Uncharted Racing must happen.

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#7 Posted by Devoid (438 posts) -

@Twitchey said:

Then after the third game they released Crash Bash, which was still a fun to play racing game.

I think you mean CTR, not Crash Bash. And I'm looking forward to Unkarted.

I think it's better they stop making games in a series before they're just shelling out the same game year after year, and just kick-start a new series on a new platform. I'd rather them create a bunch of cool universes then just make one for their lifespan.

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#8 Posted by DystopiaX (5518 posts) -

No not really. I mean what they're making is different but it's great, and I think it's hard to do a hardcoreish cartoon kind of thing like the franchises you listed. They've also kind of proved they can do anything tonally as well. And as a personal preference I'd prefer the great narrative of Uncharted over the cartoonish kinds of characters they used to do.

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#9 Posted by Twitchey (962 posts) -
@Devoid said:

@Twitchey said:

Then after the third game they released Crash Bash, which was still a fun to play racing game.

I think you mean CTR, not Crash Bash..

Fixed, thank you.
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#10 Posted by MEATBALL (4219 posts) -

I'm glad they've never stuck to just pumping out games in the one franchise, and no I don't think they've "forgotten what makes them great" at all.

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#11 Posted by Twitchey (962 posts) -
@MEATBALL said:

I'm glad they've never stuck to just pumping out games in the one franchise, and no I don't think they've "forgotten what makes them great" at all.

I'm glad they haven't been pumping out the same franchise as well, they like to keep it fresh. 
But I wish they never gave the rights to other companies. The other companies can't do what they did.
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#12 Edited by captain_clayman (3349 posts) -
@Twitchey said:

@MEATBALL said:

I'm glad they've never stuck to just pumping out games in the one franchise, and no I don't think they've "forgotten what makes them great" at all.

I'm glad they haven't been pumping out the same franchise as well, they like to keep it fresh.  But I wish they never gave the rights to other companies. The other companies can't do what they did.    

 yea that was definitely a mistake to give crash bandicoot to someone else.  every time i see a new one i get really sad because they're shitting all over my fondest childhood memories.

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#13 Posted by allworkandlowpay (928 posts) -

Cared for neither Jax and Dexter or Crash Bandicoot in any major capacity. Let them stick to making Uncharted, something that will actually sit in the video game history books, and now in the bylines like Crash.

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#14 Posted by MordeaniisChaos (5904 posts) -

@Ragdrazi said:

Uncharted Racing must happen.

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#15 Posted by Jazzycola (671 posts) -

So because you can't get that nostalgic feeling from the Uncharted series is a reason why Naughty Dog is getting away from what made them great? Look the company moved on, they want to try new things, and work on new projects sometimes you may not like the game as much as their previous offerings...that's life. Oh and btw the PS2 era Crash games were not made by Naughty Dog. Naughty Dog lost the Crash license to Activision after Sony aquired Naughty Dog in 2001(or when they refused to make anymore Crash games I can't remember). There are plenty of other platformers out there for you to get that same feeling you got playing Jak or Crash. Ratchet and Clank, Prince of Persia etc.

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#16 Posted by joshy9411 (349 posts) -

im gonna be honest. Uncharted racing could be fucking amazing. imagine those crazy uncharted moment, but while driving fast cars? it could be motorstorm apocalypse, only GOOD

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#17 Posted by MattyFTM (14764 posts) -

If Uncharted racing happens, it'll be a small downloadable title made purely as a homage to the previous pattern of Naughty Dog releases. I don't think the universe doesn't suit a full retail racing game.

As for your main point, I love Crash Bandicoot and Jak & Daxter. They are amazing games. I haven't played the Uncharted games (I don't have a PS3) but they look pretty cool too. I think Naughty Dog should continue with their policy of doing three main games in a series and then moving on, but I'm not bothered what style they do, I just want them to move on to something different. We already have plenty of developers and publishers running their series' into the ground by constantly iterating on them, Naughty Dog's policy of doing three games then moving onto something new is refreshing and I hope they keep doing that.

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#18 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3053 posts) -

I'd like to take this moment to mention that the Crash games were terrible...but J&D; and Uncharted are the best thing Sony have going.

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#19 Posted by Ragdrazi (2258 posts) -
@MattyFTM said:

If Uncharted racing happens, it'll be a small downloadable title made purely as a homage to the previous pattern of Naughty Dog releases. I don't think the universe doesn't suit a full retail racing game.


Don't kill my joy.
 
I don't think the universe suits it either. But getting it to work seems like it'd be part of the fun.
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#20 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7598 posts) -

I think it just shows the change in the industry. Mascot based platformers stopped being big sellers around the time of the PS2.. Didn't make much sense for them to keep developing them. I'd love to see them follow the same pattern with Uncharted though. Make a fun downloadable racing game and then leave the Uncharted series alone and develop something new. We're seeing far too many game franchises go on for too long. I mean, how many Metal Gear Solid, Halo (at least Bungie have moved on) and God of War games are we going to get?

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#21 Posted by Jazzycola (671 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind said:

I think it just shows the change in the industry. Mascot based platformers stopped being big sellers around the time of the PS2.. Didn't make much sense for them to keep developing them. I'd love to see them follow the same pattern with Uncharted though. Make a fun downloadable racing game and then leave the Uncharted series alone and develop something new. We're seeing far too many game franchises go on for too long. I mean, how many Metal Gear Solid, Halo (at least Bungie have moved on) and God of War games are we going to get?

I'm not really too sure if you can include God of War in that list. Sony Santa Monica has always said that the GoW main series is going to be a trilogy and so far they've only made 3 with Ready at Dawn making the 2 portable games just like Naughty Dogs development of Jak and Daxter(with ND developing 4 while another studio makes the Portable titles) or Uncharted(ND developing the main 3 while another studio makes portable titles). I'd say more along the lines of Call of Duty or Final Fantasies.

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#22 Posted by Castiel (3104 posts) -

@MattyFTM said:

I haven't played the Uncharted games

Wauw... just wauw. That is all I got from that comment.

This is not even an excuse: I don't own a PS3.

Well then get one... buddy! I don't care how just get one so you can play these marvelous games.

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#23 Posted by Doctorchimp (4180 posts) -

It's called moving the fuck on...
 
I'm personally glad Naughty Dog continues to revolutionize and challenge themselves each gen. I don't need to see them milk franchises I've played to hell already...

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#24 Posted by Doctorchimp (4180 posts) -
@Castiel said:

@MattyFTM said:

I haven't played the Uncharted games

Wauw... just wauw. That is all I got from that comment.

This is not even an excuse: I don't own a PS3.

Well then get one... buddy! I don't care how just get one so you can play these marvelous games.

Dude....
 
I mean the second Uncharted is a good game and everything...but fucking christ, he'll get along just fine without playing them.
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#25 Posted by picklecannon (273 posts) -
@Ragdrazi said:

Uncharted Racing must happen.

Uncharted bobble head racing.
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#26 Posted by MattyFTM (14764 posts) -

@Castiel said:

@MattyFTM said:

I haven't played the Uncharted games

Wauw... just wauw. That is all I got from that comment.

This is not even an excuse: I don't own a PS3.

Well then get one... buddy! I don't care how just get one so you can play these marvelous games.

Feel free to send me £250 and I'll happily buy a PS3 and Uncharted.

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#27 Posted by Castiel (3104 posts) -

lol

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#28 Edited by Ragdrazi (2258 posts) -
@MattyFTM said:

@Castiel said:

@MattyFTM said:

I haven't played the Uncharted games

Wauw... just wauw. That is all I got from that comment.

This is not even an excuse: I don't own a PS3.

Well then get one... buddy! I don't care how just get one so you can play these marvelous games.

Feel free to send me £250 and I'll happily buy a PS3 and Uncharted.

What is this £250 you speak of. Is that like Internet speech?
 
Edit. Wait. I know this... LRSO.
 
What's a lrso?
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#29 Posted by valrog (3741 posts) -
@Ragdrazi: Lakes Region Symphony Orchestra. You know I'm right.
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#30 Edited by Ragdrazi (2258 posts) -
@valrog: That's funny. I thought it stood for the next result down: Local Radiation Safety Officer.
 
Actually, the one after that is better. Laser Range Safety Officer.
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#31 Posted by valrog (3741 posts) -
@Ragdrazi: Now that I think about it... It cold've been Legislative Reapportionment Services Office.
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#32 Posted by bartok (2876 posts) -

New console new franchise.  Besides would you want some other company to shit out Jak games on the PS3 like Crash games were shat upon us after his PS1 glory days?

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#33 Posted by ryanwho (12012 posts) -

Uncharted is better than some "me too" archaic mascot franchise. They moved past that shit.

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#34 Posted by MajesticOverlord (191 posts) -

I'll always remember those games however Naughty Dog has moved on and so should you. 

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#35 Posted by Ninja (590 posts) -

Started playing Jak and Daxter again last night, it is such a good game, and it shows that a good art-style can make anything timeless,

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#36 Posted by TyrellOCP (476 posts) -

Uncharted Racers would be great, especially if all the characters had permanent big head mode. 
What would be even better if they did a Double Dash/rocket race mode with partners on turrets.

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#37 Posted by swfcfan (302 posts) -

I'm sure it would make Business sense for Sony to get someone to release a Jak and Daxter game for the PS3 now (with Naughty dog over seeing development)

Or at least release the ps2 games in HD !!!

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#38 Edited by ryanwho (12012 posts) -

Jak and Dax are in that awful looking Playstation Move Heroes game. So there's that.

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#39 Posted by Goly (891 posts) -

I like this pattern of three games and then moving on to something else. I think trilogies are perfect to make the most out of a franchise without feeling like they are milking it. I'm not necessarily thinking about games but movies like Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

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#40 Posted by swfcfan (302 posts) -

@Goly said:

I like this pattern of three games and then moving on to something else. I think trilogies are perfect to make the most out of a franchise without feeling like they are milking it. I'm not necessarily thinking about games but movies like Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

Yeah Star wars Should have ended after episode III it got stupid after with Ewok's and shit !!!!!!!!!! ;)

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#41 Posted by Raven10 (2166 posts) -

Well the Crash series was owned by Vivendi and when Naughty Dog was bought by Sony they lost the rights to it. They never "gave away" the rights, because they never owned them to start with. Now they make the games that Sony tells them to make. Usually that has resulted in great games. I believe they said that they felt they had told Jak's story and felt they needed to move on. It was Sony's decision to make Lost Frontier. As for Uncharted, I have a feeling they will keep making it until they feel they have exhausted it and then move on to a new series. It's always healthy to keep evolving.

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#42 Posted by Red12b (9356 posts) -
@coakroach said:
In Crash 3 you learned a body slam, a superspin, a double jump. And a bazooka. 
 I checked to make sure someone said it before I was going to, bravo,
 
@Ragdrazi
said:

Uncharted Racing must happen.

Yes...Yes it does
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#43 Posted by PenguinDust (12974 posts) -

Insomniac did the same thing with their Spyro the Dragon franchise, if I am correct.  They made three games then handed it off to other develpers.  I don't think they made racing game, per se, however there was a racing mini-game in Spyro 3.  Don't quote me on that though.  
 
It seems that outside of the Wii, gamers aren't that interested in mascot platformers.  The Ratchet & Clank series is the one hold-over from the previous generation.  The sales for R&C Tools of Destruction were significantly less than the first 3 games that appeared on the PS2, but A Crack in Time performed on par with the low end of those earlier editions.  
 
I wish there were more of these types of games and while the Sly Collection is nice, it doesn't really satisfy as a true sequel.  There is a Sly Cooper 4 in the works, although it too isn't being made by its originator, Sucker Punch Studios.
 
Having said all this, I can't fault Naughty Dog for (a) doing the same thing that other similar studios have done and (b) delivering a stand-out franchise like Uncharted.

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#44 Edited by Delta_Ass (3807 posts) -

The Uncharted series is light years ahead of anything they've made before, so... no I don't agree.
 
Did Jak and Daxter or Crash Bandicoot ever win GOTY awards?

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#45 Posted by Rowr (5861 posts) -

i want an uncharted racing game now.

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#46 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7598 posts) -

@Jazzycola said:

@WinterSnowblind said:

I think it just shows the change in the industry. Mascot based platformers stopped being big sellers around the time of the PS2.. Didn't make much sense for them to keep developing them. I'd love to see them follow the same pattern with Uncharted though. Make a fun downloadable racing game and then leave the Uncharted series alone and develop something new. We're seeing far too many game franchises go on for too long. I mean, how many Metal Gear Solid, Halo (at least Bungie have moved on) and God of War games are we going to get?

I'm not really too sure if you can include God of War in that list. Sony Santa Monica has always said that the GoW main series is going to be a trilogy and so far they've only made 3 with Ready at Dawn making the 2 portable games just like Naughty Dogs development of Jak and Daxter(with ND developing 4 while another studio makes the Portable titles) or Uncharted(ND developing the main 3 while another studio makes portable titles). I'd say more along the lines of Call of Duty or Final Fantasies.

There's also been a bunch of portable games and strong rumours of a 4th. If that's the end, fine. But it's almost certainly going to continue the same way.

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#47 Posted by supercubedude (563 posts) -

@Devoid said:

Unkarted.

I love and hate you.

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#48 Posted by lord_canti (1674 posts) -

il just leave this here

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#49 Posted by Rolyatkcinmai (2763 posts) -

Uncharted is one of the best franchises in gaming. How is it that you managed to find something to bitch about?

Leave Naughty Dog alone.

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#50 Posted by kpaadet (420 posts) -

Uncharted is my fav new IP this gen, and I never cared for Crash or Jak, so whatever you think they have forgotten I hope they never remember it.

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