Jeff's take on NSMB2

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#1 Edited by haha_dead (14 posts) -

Jeff used the dreaded b-word talking about NSMB2 on the Bombcast. I've been playing it for a week or so now (got a review code awhile ago). I normally see eye-to-eye with Jeff on games, but I disagree here. Sure, it's a retread and it's basically just 'more new super mario bros.' but that said, the quality is there and I'd totally recommend it to 3DS owners. I'm an older gamer and am sadly finding fewer and fewer games holding my attention - especially handheld titles. But I'll happily play NSMB2 into the ground. I'm a Mario fan (I played 22 hours of 3D Land, I think) and Mario-wise, there's no dip in quality here. It's solid.

Wondering whether Jeff just whizzed through, or if he went after the 3 gold medallions on each level? I think it makes a big difference. Revisiting levels to grab Gold medallions you missed the first time through makes you experience levels differently, and showcases the game's search and discovery elements, and seeing levels twice instead of once sheds light on how well-designed Mario games always are. How big gaps are, koopa placement, everything in exactly the right spot to maximize fun.

TL;DR it's a different (and much better) game if you task yourself with getting all the medallions, and far from boring.

Edit: yes, the b-word is 'boring.'

#2 Posted by Tarsier (1057 posts) -

jeff said butt?

#3 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

Opinions.

He seems to have taken issue with the fact that the one big innovation (the coins) is kind of shitty. My experience tends to favour him more than you, but whatever.

Glad you enjoy it.

#4 Posted by Chaser324 (6342 posts) -

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word

Bitch?

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#5 Posted by TruthTellah (8572 posts) -

@Chaser324 said:

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word

Bitch?

Bazinga.

#6 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -

Because it's impossible for anyone to find that game boring.

#7 Posted by AuthenticM (3700 posts) -

Nothing you say is contradicting what Jeff has said. Also, did you really have to create a new account to say this?

#8 Edited by Hailinel (23957 posts) -

Jeff is entitled to his opinion. You are not obligated to agree with him.

P.S.: 8.8. OMG. etc.

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#9 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8061 posts) -

@Chaser324 said:

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word

Bitch?

Bush?

#10 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4643 posts) -

No, Jeff's right. Sorry.

#11 Posted by Milkman (16541 posts) -

I don't know. It looked pretty b-word to me. 

#12 Posted by haha_dead (14 posts) -

@AuthenticM: old account, never post

#13 Posted by mrpandaman (864 posts) -

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word talking about NSMB2 on the Bombcast. I've been playing it for a week or so now (got a review code awhile ago). I normally see eye-to-eye with Jeff on games, but I disagree here. Sure, it's a retread and it's basically just 'more new super mario bros.' but that said, the quality is there and I'd totally recommend it to 3DS owners. I'm an older gamer and am sadly finding fewer and fewer games holding my attention - especially handheld titles. But I'll happily play NSMB2 into the ground.

Wondering whether Jeff just whizzed through, or if he went after the 3 gold medallions on each level? I think it makes a big difference. Revisiting levels to grab Gold medallions you missed the first time through makes you experience levels differently, and showcases the game's search and discovery elements, and seeing levels twice instead of once sheds light on how well-designed Mario games always are. How big gaps are, koopa placement, everything in exactly the right spot to maximize fun.

TL;DR it's a different (and much better) game if you task yourself with getting all the medallions, and far from boring.

Like many games in this generation, the sequel fatigue is really setting in. The game maybe solid, but if there is hardly anything new then what's the point? Getting gold coins and retreading the same level just feels like a cheap way to get more longevity in the game. The game play looks essentially the same in NSMB2 as does in most other Mario games. Playing pretty much the same game for consecutive iterations can get pretty boring. It is a fair criticism and it's not like he said the game is bad. It's just the same.

#14 Posted by bibamatt (1086 posts) -

@haha_dead said:

TL;DR it's a different (and much better) game if you task yourself with getting all the medallions

Didn't the other games also have the three medallions per level hunt? The Wii version certainly did. Personally, I'm in a similar boat to Jeff (and many other people who've played/reviewed the game - this definitely isn't Jeff being all radical and devisive). I LOVE Mario games, but I've played this game to death, twice already. It's awesome that you're enjoying it so much. I've looked at it as a New Super Mario Bros expansion pack and I've certainly enjoyed it to an extent! But I'm doing ten minutes at a time and the one thing that I was really excited about (the craaazy 1 million coin chase!) is actually not very exciting, in my opinion. Meh. Personally, some new enemies/design choices might've been all that was needed.

#15 Edited by Chaser324 (6342 posts) -

@Guided_By_Tigers said:

@Chaser324 said:

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word

Bitch?

Bush?

Moderator Online
#16 Posted by haha_dead (14 posts) -

@Hailinel: Hey, I'm allowed to add a contrary opinion to the discussion right? Point is, the game is different when played, vs. experienced in 'content tourist' mode.

#17 Posted by believer258 (11680 posts) -

Looked pretty boring to me.

But note that I said "looked"; I haven't actually played it so that isn't at all a final opinion. Still, I did not see a single thing that I did not already get in NSMB 1. I don't even think there was much new in the way of levels.

#18 Posted by haha_dead (14 posts) -

@Chaser324: magnets!

#19 Posted by NoobSauceG7 (1234 posts) -

Well from what I have seen I agree with Jeff. I thought the game didn't look bad, it looked ok but I am tired of the "New" style of mario games. The co-op is disappointing along with what happens when you collect a million coins. I know I won't buy it.

#20 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3802 posts) -

I don't always see eye to eye with Jeff on stuff but I'm with him on this one. I dunno what they have to do to make Mario fun again but...I dunno, its absolutely a quality well made game but it is kinda boring. Maybe my tastes have just changed but I think I'm kinda done with 2D mario games. Sorta bums me out but there it is.

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#21 Posted by Sanj (2353 posts) -

Belgium.

#22 Posted by Hailinel (23957 posts) -
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#23 Posted by Azteck (7449 posts) -

I honestly only care about what b-word he's talking about. Bitch? Bush? Broccoli? I NEED ANSWERS.

#24 Edited by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

I think it's just how someone plays games. If you are the type of person that plays games for 20 minutes at a time or plays a lot of iphone games, I bet this mario seems pretty fun. And I think that if you are the type to marathon your entire game in a weekend, that this mario seems really boring.

#25 Posted by MikkaQ (10269 posts) -

I think its a perfectly fine mario game but I do feel like the only reason Im enjoying it is because I've only played the other "new" SMB games for a couple minutes. If this was my third, I might take some issue with it.

#26 Posted by AlexW00d (6191 posts) -

Bunting.

#27 Posted by ShiftyMagician (2129 posts) -

You have all the right in the world to love a game someone else doesn't find to be any good (as I do with some games that some people seem to dislike), but man personally there is nothing in NSMB2 that screams truly novel to me in freshening up what is to be a growingly stale formula. I don't think they added enough to warrant its existence other than they needed another one out there to sell more units and it is starting to look like the formula itself is wearing thin on a good portion of the gaming audience.

This is just an irrational side-point I will make at the game, but I am dead sick of hearing that awful rendition of the Mario music in the NSMB games. Give me more grand orchestral Mario tunes from galaxy or some retro remix of the classic songs without sounding so childishly bad (I understand the latter makes more financial sense for a handheld game). Again, irrational point as it is just me shitting on music in a subjective fashion.

#28 Posted by tyxja (276 posts) -

The game is fine. It's Mario. If you like that, you'll like this game. What Jeff said is pretty dead-on if you ask me.

I don't regret spending 40$ on it at all. A solid Mario title is still better than most other games, for my money.

#29 Posted by adoggz (2046 posts) -

I'll take bland for 400 Alex.

#30 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4308 posts) -

Are you the guy that made sonic_hedgehog?  

#31 Posted by KarlPilkington (2688 posts) -

I THINK HE MEANS BORING

#32 Posted by ThePickle (4155 posts) -
#33 Posted by JasonR86 (9611 posts) -

I don't know why people need to come on these forums and create 'soap-box' threads every time someone has an opinion they don't share. What is it that causes this? Is it that terrible to think someone thinks differently? Does the OP think that everyone will believe what Jeff says like sheep and he needs to be the differing opinion so that people aren't led astray? I just don't get it. Does the OP think we care what he says? Does he honestly think Jeff saying that he doesn't like a Mario game will keep other people from buying that game or enjoying?

Fuckin'a.

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#34 Posted by TooWalrus (13139 posts) -

I picked it up today and I'm into world 3. He said it's a boring game and so far, I agree. The 'collect a million  coins' shtick it's got going in isn't really enough to make it stand out from any other Mario game, and I cringe every time Mario speaks (he's been sounding worse and worse as time goes on, he's downright annoying at this point). There's just absolutely nothing memorable about it. Maybe in world 8 it'll be hell-of difficult or something (though that wasn't the case with ether of the first two "New Super Mario Bros" games. I don't know, I paid $40 for it, and I'll probably finish it in two days.

#35 Posted by MURDERSMASH (250 posts) -

@JasonR86 said:

I don't know why people need to come on these forums and create 'soap-box' threads every time someone has an opinion they don't share. What is it that causes this? Is it that terrible to think someone thinks differently? Does the OP think that everyone will believe what Jeff says like sheep and he needs to be the differing opinion so that people aren't led astray? I just don't get it. Does the OP think we care what he says? Does he honestly think Jeff saying that he doesn't like a Mario game will keep other people from buying that game or enjoying?

Fuckin'a.

Exactly. Looking at it from my angle, I haven't played a "new" Mario game since Mario 64. so NSMB2 might actually be a fun, new experience for me. I, however, also understand where Jeff is coming from. He's played ALL of the Mario games. It's just natural for him to be, you know, BORED of the same damn thing over and over again.

#36 Posted by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word talking about NSMB2 on the Bombcast. I've been playing it for a week or so now (got a review code awhile ago). I normally see eye-to-eye with Jeff on games, but I disagree here. Sure, it's a retread and it's basically just 'more new super mario bros.' but that said, the quality is there and I'd totally recommend it to 3DS owners. I'm an older gamer and am sadly finding fewer and fewer games holding my attention - especially handheld titles. But I'll happily play NSMB2 into the ground. I'm a Mario fan (I played 22 hours of 3D Land, I think) and Mario-wise, there's no dip in quality here. It's solid.

Wondering whether Jeff just whizzed through, or if he went after the 3 gold medallions on each level? I think it makes a big difference. Revisiting levels to grab Gold medallions you missed the first time through makes you experience levels differently, and showcases the game's search and discovery elements, and seeing levels twice instead of once sheds light on how well-designed Mario games always are. How big gaps are, koopa placement, everything in exactly the right spot to maximize fun.

TL;DR it's a different (and much better) game if you task yourself with getting all the medallions, and far from boring.

I think Jeff is knocking it because mario is known as a creative and innovative franchise, and new super mario brothers TWO in itself parodies that idea. It's pretty apparent to me that the mario we know and love is running out of tricks, and it's absolutely playing it safe to keep sales up. But in the 90's and 00's, each mario game looked distinctly different, played differently, and had evolving mechanics. Now, with NSMB, the games are almost identical except for the resolution differences. It's sad that Nintendo isn't willing to risk losing it's top spot for platformers.

#37 Posted by hwy_61 (922 posts) -

I haven't played it yet, but I played a fuckton of NSMBWii. NSMB2 looks to be more of that. Personally, 3D Land is the direction I wish Nintendo would keep going in. At least for 3DS.

#38 Posted by Sackmanjones (4652 posts) -
@Guided_By_Tigers

@Chaser324 said:

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word

Bitch?

Bush?

Ballsack
#39 Posted by LordAndrew (14424 posts) -

I haven't beaten the first world yet, but it looks like my experience may be similar to Jeff "B****" Gerstmann's.

I'm glad you're enjoying it though.

#40 Posted by tyxja (276 posts) -

@Sackmanjones said:

@Guided_By_Tigers

@Chaser324 said:

@haha_dead said:

Jeff used the dreaded b-word

Bitch?

Bush?

Ballsack

BIG BOOOOOO!

#41 Posted by Jolt92 (1543 posts) -

As a huge "Nintendrone" I think this game looks pretty dull in spots, I will probably have fun with it as soon as I get it, NSMB is a bit tired to me, the artstyle is really fucking boring. I'm not excited, but I'll still get it at some point at least. I'm sure I'll get it for christmas if I haven't picked it up by then.

#42 Posted by freakin9 (1102 posts) -

Jeff is of the, if ain't broke, fucking change it anyways, because I already played it. And I agree with him. Though to be honest, while I generally agree with Jeff's attitude and feelings on gaming and gaming culture, our opinions on games rarely actually meet.

#43 Posted by haha_dead (14 posts) -

@JasonR86: Terrible that someone has a different opinion? Nothing in my post is hostile, man. No contention. He has one opinion and I have another.I think the game's pretty rewarding when you get into it, go after the collectibles, etc. Jeff's comments make a good common thread - we all heard it on the Bombcast.

Yes it's pretty similar to NSMB. But NSMB was for a different system. I'd recommend both NSMB 2 and Super Mario 3D Land to anyone shopping for a 3DS and wanting to pick up a couple of games with it.

#44 Posted by Chop (1995 posts) -

After 3D Land, I find it incredibly disappointing. It's so fucking dull compared to that game.

#45 Posted by JasonR86 (9611 posts) -

@haha_dead said:

@JasonR86: Terrible that someone has a different opinion? Nothing in my post is hostile, man. No contention. He has one opinion and I have another.I think the game's pretty rewarding when you get into it, go after the collectibles, etc. Jeff's comments make a good common thread - we all heard it on the Bombcast.

Yes it's pretty similar to NSMB. But NSMB was for a different system. I'd recommend both NSMB 2 and Super Mario 3D Land to anyone shopping for a 3DS and wanting to pick up a couple of games with it.

Uh-huh.

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#46 Posted by OldManLollipop (306 posts) -

The way people are talking about this game, I wonder if this is what it was like when the original Mega Man series creeped past 4 on the NES.

#47 Posted by _Zombie_ (1462 posts) -

@Azteck said:

I honestly only care about what b-word he's talking about. Bitch? Bush? Broccoli? I NEED ANSWERS.

It's obviously bratwurst. A-duuuuhhhh.

#48 Posted by FlarePhoenix (420 posts) -

Brony?

#49 Posted by DeF (4810 posts) -

@haha_dead said:

Wondering whether Jeff just whizzed through, or if he went after the 3 gold medallions on each level?

With the exception of Vinny "Must Collect Everything" Caravella, I think they all mostly just run through the main mode.

#50 Posted by Inkerman (1449 posts) -

Badger.

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