New Super Mario Wii: Sort Of Like A Modern SMB3

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Posted by Brad (3334 posts) -
 Seen here: penguin suit.
As much as I enjoyed the original New Super Mario Bros. on the DS, with its return to traditional 2D form, I couldn't help wanting a little more. Some new suits for Mario to power up with, the ability to fly, perhaps a return appearance by Kuribo's Shoe. Something. The game hewed to Mario's simpler platform beginnings, but at least it was a good blueprint for a new era of 2D Mario games.

Enter New Super Mario Bros. Wii, which Ryan and I just got back from playing several new levels of. Nintendo's Bill Trinen gave us an in-depth look at the main story mode--I use "story" loosely here, since the story is "Hey, rescue the princess!"--to give us a better sense of how the game will work in between the up-to-four-player shenanigans that will occur in each action stage. I think it's fair to say that both of us started getting a distinct Super Mario Bros. 3 sort of vibe from the game after just a few minutes.

What would make me namedrop that most revered of all games? There are a lot of little elements in NSMB Wii that make it seem like a more robust Mario adventure than its DS predecessor. Like NSMB DS, this one operates with a simple world map that you navigate to get from stage to stage, but this time there seems to be a lot more side activities going on in between the actual stages. Remember in Mario 3, how you could go into mushroom houses to get new items? Or you'd run into enemies on the world map from time to time and had to fight them? All that stuff is in here, and it works with all four players. For example, we tried a four-player tile-matching game that let us reap all the items we were able to match before we matched the wrong cards and got booted out.

 Dark levels can get pretty tricky.
Then there's the suits and power-ups. There's more of 'em! Nintendo showed off the propeller and penguin suits at E3; the former lets you get lift with your helicopter head, and the latter gets you more traction on icy surfaces and gives you a belly slide maneuver. Then there's this other new one that we got to see today. (At least, it was new to us.)

Allow me now to turn your world upside down, as mine was.

Ice flower. Ice flower.

I know, right? How did it take so long for them to come up with that? It does pretty much what you'd expect: you throw ice balls with the same bounce as a fireball, and those encase any enemies they touch in a big block of ice. Then you can pick that ice block up and throw it, or use it as a stepping stone. They'll even float to the surface of water, so you could ice some cheep-cheeps and then use them as stepping stones to reach a higher platform.

Also like Mario 3: this game is tough. There's a certain amount of controlled chaos that goes in on multiplayer games, mainly because the player characters have collision detection with each other. So you might jump on somebody's head at the wrong moment and send them straight down a pit, or fling a careless koopa shell right into your friend and kill them. Even in single-player, though, the game is pretty tough--I encountered some really tricky jumps involving big, rotating gears and a bunch of lava just in the castle at the end of world one.

 Yeah, this guy.
Still another throwback: Koopa kids! Those eight troublemakers introduced in SMB3 are back to cause trouble with their pops again, and I fought one of them at the end of that first castle. I think it was Lemmy. Or maybe Iggy. He had crazy hair and a magic wand, and man, it was a nostalgic trip to be fighting a Koopa kid at the end of a castle again. I jumped on him three times and he died. Some things never change.

Perhaps you've noticed, but I'm pretty excited there's more to New SMB Wii than it seemed back at E3. I had a sense there that the game was, well, the DS game with four-player action crammed in, but it's clear there's plenty of new mechanics and a wonderfully nostalgic vibe about this game. It looks great, too, with lots of little touches in the animation and special effects that give the game character. They're the sort of things that are hard to describe but instantly make sense when you see them. And you'll get your chance to do that when New Super Mario Bros. Wii ships on November 15.

Nintendo says a new video of all this business is on the way next week, so stay tuned for that. Meanwhile, here's an old one! 


#1 Posted by Brad (3334 posts) -
 Seen here: penguin suit.
As much as I enjoyed the original New Super Mario Bros. on the DS, with its return to traditional 2D form, I couldn't help wanting a little more. Some new suits for Mario to power up with, the ability to fly, perhaps a return appearance by Kuribo's Shoe. Something. The game hewed to Mario's simpler platform beginnings, but at least it was a good blueprint for a new era of 2D Mario games.

Enter New Super Mario Bros. Wii, which Ryan and I just got back from playing several new levels of. Nintendo's Bill Trinen gave us an in-depth look at the main story mode--I use "story" loosely here, since the story is "Hey, rescue the princess!"--to give us a better sense of how the game will work in between the up-to-four-player shenanigans that will occur in each action stage. I think it's fair to say that both of us started getting a distinct Super Mario Bros. 3 sort of vibe from the game after just a few minutes.

What would make me namedrop that most revered of all games? There are a lot of little elements in NSMB Wii that make it seem like a more robust Mario adventure than its DS predecessor. Like NSMB DS, this one operates with a simple world map that you navigate to get from stage to stage, but this time there seems to be a lot more side activities going on in between the actual stages. Remember in Mario 3, how you could go into mushroom houses to get new items? Or you'd run into enemies on the world map from time to time and had to fight them? All that stuff is in here, and it works with all four players. For example, we tried a four-player tile-matching game that let us reap all the items we were able to match before we matched the wrong cards and got booted out.

 Dark levels can get pretty tricky.
Then there's the suits and power-ups. There's more of 'em! Nintendo showed off the propeller and penguin suits at E3; the former lets you get lift with your helicopter head, and the latter gets you more traction on icy surfaces and gives you a belly slide maneuver. Then there's this other new one that we got to see today. (At least, it was new to us.)

Allow me now to turn your world upside down, as mine was.

Ice flower. Ice flower.

I know, right? How did it take so long for them to come up with that? It does pretty much what you'd expect: you throw ice balls with the same bounce as a fireball, and those encase any enemies they touch in a big block of ice. Then you can pick that ice block up and throw it, or use it as a stepping stone. They'll even float to the surface of water, so you could ice some cheep-cheeps and then use them as stepping stones to reach a higher platform.

Also like Mario 3: this game is tough. There's a certain amount of controlled chaos that goes in on multiplayer games, mainly because the player characters have collision detection with each other. So you might jump on somebody's head at the wrong moment and send them straight down a pit, or fling a careless koopa shell right into your friend and kill them. Even in single-player, though, the game is pretty tough--I encountered some really tricky jumps involving big, rotating gears and a bunch of lava just in the castle at the end of world one.

 Yeah, this guy.
Still another throwback: Koopa kids! Those eight troublemakers introduced in SMB3 are back to cause trouble with their pops again, and I fought one of them at the end of that first castle. I think it was Lemmy. Or maybe Iggy. He had crazy hair and a magic wand, and man, it was a nostalgic trip to be fighting a Koopa kid at the end of a castle again. I jumped on him three times and he died. Some things never change.

Perhaps you've noticed, but I'm pretty excited there's more to New SMB Wii than it seemed back at E3. I had a sense there that the game was, well, the DS game with four-player action crammed in, but it's clear there's plenty of new mechanics and a wonderfully nostalgic vibe about this game. It looks great, too, with lots of little touches in the animation and special effects that give the game character. They're the sort of things that are hard to describe but instantly make sense when you see them. And you'll get your chance to do that when New Super Mario Bros. Wii ships on November 15.

Nintendo says a new video of all this business is on the way next week, so stay tuned for that. Meanwhile, here's an old one! 


#2 Posted by Brunchies (2484 posts) -

That defiantly looks like a next gen super mario Brothers. 

#3 Posted by xxDrAiNxx (133 posts) -

Its the Bro's, Duder!

#4 Posted by addictedtopinescent (3645 posts) -

Sold

#5 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -

Hmmm.  I think I actually am gonna check this one out.

#6 Posted by neoepoch (1295 posts) -

Sorry Brad but the highest praise is, "Like Super Mario World".

#7 Posted by Kou_Leifoh (1890 posts) -

I want to play this game.

#8 Posted by Dynamitekyle (561 posts) -

I hope this game is good. Like SMB3? That sounds like it could be an overstatement though.

#9 Posted by OllyOxenFree (4987 posts) -

" Remember in Mario 3, how you could go into mushroom houses to get new items? Or you'd run into enemies on the world map from time to time and had to fight them? All that stuff is in here"
 
Yeah I believe that was in the NSMB for the DS as well.

#10 Posted by eroticfishcake (7792 posts) -

Probably the best game for the Wii? Who knows, I'm still getting this.

#11 Posted by Dalai (7070 posts) -
@neoepoch: Nah, Brad got it right.
#12 Posted by buzz_killington (3532 posts) -

Noice. Definatly looking forward to this one.

#13 Posted by Swervinmonkeyz (25 posts) -

Aw, too bad I sold my Wii. This actually looks pretty good!

#14 Posted by Dryker (515 posts) -

If only there was more on the Wii to warrant a purchase.
#15 Edited by THE_END (466 posts) -

Wow this game is like SMB3.....sweet!!!  Ice Flower you say....man I wish they had included this in the DS version.  Hmmmm.........I am almost interested in purchasing a Wii keyword being almost....if they port Oblivion over to the Wii (which by the way will NEVER happen) and implement the Wii remote so we can control the sword in Oblivion then I will be sold on purchasing a Wii.

#16 Posted by ForeverZero (1 posts) -

lol yeah!

#17 Posted by teh_pwnzorer (1482 posts) -

The invisible walls guys said it looks like crap up close.

#18 Posted by moelarrycurly (668 posts) -

I've finally been sold.  New Super Mario Bros. Wii = gold.

#19 Posted by Blair (2531 posts) -

I'm SO excited!
 
Must buy, day one.

#20 Posted by Pappasman (119 posts) -
@neoepoch said:
" Sorry Brad but the highest praise is, "Like Super Mario World". "
this is a true statement.  SMW was so much better than 3.
#21 Posted by Danterion (159 posts) -

Super Mario World  > Super Mario Bros 3. 
 
You KNOW it's true.

#22 Posted by Media_Master (3283 posts) -

Lookin great !

#23 Posted by Len (12 posts) -

I still play the one for the DS, I hope they come out with a new ver. for the DS

#24 Posted by JJOR64 (19065 posts) -

I'm fucking excited for this game.

#25 Posted by Steve_C (1757 posts) -

Well, there was an ice flower in Super Mario Galaxy, albeit with different characteristics.
 
I had the same initial impressions on the game as you, but hearing about all these new features, it's starting to sound much more like a fully fleshed out console experience. I thought it would be a fun game anyway, but it seems to get better and better. I'll need to play it eventually.

#26 Posted by KindGalaxy (429 posts) -

You just had to invoke SMB 3 didn't you? Fucker. Now I have to buy it. Great article!

#27 Posted by Siphillis (1298 posts) -

I'm forever spiteful of this game for delaying Super Mario Galaxy 2 to 2010.  C'mon Nintendo, it's not like releasing more than one Mario game a year is new to you.

#28 Posted by Famov (768 posts) -

This will likely by my personal GotY. Too soon? That's okay, the amazing truth is that it'll probably be true. 
 
I knew it was good to have four Wii remotes.
#29 Posted by tmlim (212 posts) -

Finally another must have on the Wii.

#30 Posted by Kolonel_Kool (332 posts) -

Still looks awesome.

#31 Posted by neoepoch (1295 posts) -
@Dalai: Good Sir! I challenge thee to fisticuffs! *Smack* *Throws glove on ground*
#32 Posted by august (3866 posts) -

Honestly nsmb left me cold because it didn't quite have the charm and weird imagination of smb 3 or World.
 
This is great news.

#33 Posted by John (828 posts) -

"So I was with this girl the other night and i sear it was sorta like super mario 3." Your right, the term can be used to almost anything and it's still a compliment.

#34 Posted by nail1080 (1975 posts) -

Someone beat me too it, but yeah the best praise is for it to be like Super Mario World!!!! That game had such a great feel to it and it still just IS Mario to me and everything else is a poor try.
 
However this does look like a reason to dust off the Wii whenever it comes out.

#35 Posted by Food (386 posts) -

Ice Flowers were in Galaxy and I think they were in the first Mario and Luigi game before that.

#36 Posted by Bigandtasty (3204 posts) -
@Brad said:

" I submit that "like Super Mario Bros. 3" is the highest possible compliment you could pay to anything, ever. "  

I submit that this is SO TRUE.
#37 Posted by AgentJ (8778 posts) -

Hey Brad, could you tell us a little bit more about the single player game? Is it completely separate from the four player levels, or do those levels feel way too big for a one-player game?

#38 Posted by Kayrack (304 posts) -

lovin it

#39 Posted by wjkelso (71 posts) -

SMB3 the best mario ever? Guess you never played the star or special levels in super mario world...

#40 Posted by FesteringNeon (2166 posts) -

Sweet, It looks like it took the feel of multiple mario titles, and combined them in this game :) 
Take note Sega! Now make us a new 2d Sonic!
#41 Posted by Emilio (3380 posts) -

I am very excite for this game. Gonna co-op it, too.

#42 Posted by Floppypants (798 posts) -

Super Mario World was great and all, but times have changed and I couldn't be less interested in this.

#43 Posted by Jayzilla (2571 posts) -

Some things in this world will never change. A well crafted mario game is one of those things. nintendo might not get it right all the time, but when they do, there are few things that are its equal.

#44 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -

In likening the game to SMB3, you are kind of piling on too much praise imo. I can see the resemblances with that game, but I do think it's very slight myself, and I have played the game also. The inclusions you talk of akin to that game came about after Nintendo received ample feedback from Galaxy, these inclusions are aspects that many fans thought were lacking from that great game, Koopa kids included.  I personally think this game was always going to lend from all of the best 2D scrolling Mario platformers, not just Super Mario Bros 3 as you seem to think.
 
 
If you really want to see Super Mario Bros 3 reborn, just wait till Galaxy 2 hits, that game is being approached with the same flair as SMB3 was. Miyamoto is taking a no holds barred approach to that game. It will astound many with just how creative it is. I find that title far more exciting than this.  
 
 

 The Greatest Platformer Ever

 
...
#45 Posted by Metroid545 (1823 posts) -
@wjkelso said:
" SMB3 the best mario ever? Guess you never played the star or special levels in super mario world... "
how does that even compare with SMB3? those were ok little extra levels
#46 Posted by memo (421 posts) -

thats what im talking about

#47 Posted by JackSukeru (5964 posts) -

Wait..didn't the penguin suit originally spit iceballs, says so too on the "New Super Mario Bros. Wii page. So they split it up into 2 suits? Also, this isn't coming near SMB3 until the raccon suit returns. :P

#48 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -

I'm not completely sold, it still doesn't seem like "classic Mario" to me, and there's a lot of big games coming this year.  But I'll give it a try, and I LOVE the fact the Koopa Kids are back,  It's about time!

#49 Posted by Will1Lucky (408 posts) -

Like Super Mario Bros 3 eh.....sold.

#50 Posted by VWGTI (1919 posts) -

This game is going to be a blast. I'm sorry that I originally doubted it.

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