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    Nier

    Game » consists of 8 releases. Released Apr 22, 2010

    Nothing is as it seems. Nier must travel the world in search of a cure for his daughter who has been infected with the deadly "Black Scrawl" virus. How far will you go to save someone you love?

    Joystiq's failed Nier review

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    #1  Edited By JokerSmilez
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    #2  Edited By iamjohn

    Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place.

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    #3  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @iAmJohn said:

    " Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

    Id buy that. Plus he rage quits at the end" I give Nier a zero"  
     
    Just found 
     
      
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    #4  Edited By JokerSmilez
    @iAmJohn said:

    " Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

    He says as much in his post.
     
    "Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly."
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    #5  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @JokerSmilez said:
    " @iAmJohn said:

    " Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

    He says as much in his post.
     
    "Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly."
    "
    I do not see that as a reason to stop. Just take a break. Also it seems he was doing the fishing quite wrong (Refer to youtube I posted) 
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    #6  Edited By buzz_clik

    Seems like a nice companion piece to Jeff enjoying a game of Mega Man 9.
     

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    #7  Edited By Evilsbane
    @The_Laughing_Man said:
    " @JokerSmilez said:
    " @iAmJohn said:

    " Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

    He says as much in his post.
     
    "Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly."
    "
    I do not see that as a reason to stop. Just take a break. Also it seems he was doing the fishing quite wrong (Refer to youtube I posted)  "
    After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside.
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    #8  Edited By iamjohn
    @Evilsbane said:
    " After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside. "
    But even still, he's blaming the game for something he did wrong.  If he went to the part marked on the map and did what he was supposed to do, this whole thing could've been avoided.  He was just being an idiot.  I'm not trying to say he's wrong about the game, but it's hardly fair to say "I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME BECAUSE IT SUCKS BECAUSE THIS FORCED MECHANIC SUCKS" when you're just straight up doing the thing you're forced to do wrong... and in the wrong spot no less.  It's like blaming Gears of War for killing you super fast if you refuse to take cover.
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    #9  Edited By NickL

    the point was a game shouldn't have such a tedious side activity and then require you to do it... i would have thought the game designers would have made the beach NEXT to the guy you get the fishing pole from the beach you get that stupid fish at too

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    #10  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @NickL said:
    " the point was a game shouldn't have such a tedious side activity and then require you to do it... i would have thought the game designers would have made the beach NEXT to the guy you get the fishing pole from the beach you get that stupid fish at too "
    Its not tedious. He just was doing something wrong. 
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    #11  Edited By hinderk
    @iAmJohn said:
    " @Evilsbane said:
    " After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside. "
    But even still, he's blaming the game for something he did wrong.  If he went to the part marked on the map and did what he was supposed to do, this whole thing could've been avoided.  He was just being an idiot.  I'm not trying to say he's wrong about the game, but it's hardly fair to say "I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME BECAUSE IT SUCKS BECAUSE THIS FORCED MECHANIC SUCKS" when you're just straight up doing the thing you're forced to do wrong... and in the wrong spot no less.  It's like blaming Gears of War for killing you super fast if you refuse to take cover. "
    But GOW explains it's cover machanic well. I read some of the comments in the article, and people that liked the game said the fishing mechanic isn't explained very well in the game. What do you expect the dude to do if the game doesn't properly explain the mechanics of the game.
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    #12  Edited By Fallen189

    That guy seems like a complete fucking idiot.

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    #13  Edited By iamjohn
    @hinderk: Perhaps check the mini-map and see that it's telling him to go somewhere else?  Even if the fishing mechanics really do suck (and to be fair, I hear they're awful), it doesn't change the fact that the dunce didn't even notice something so apparently obvious as that.  Not beating you over the head with something and expecting you to be smart enough to figure something out based on previously introduced information does not make something opaque.
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    #14  Edited By Claude

    I saw the video and even if it was the right spot, fuck fishing. No matter if he did it wrong or not, that shit was slow as hell.

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    #15  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Claude said:
    " I saw the video and even if it was the right spot, fuck fishing. No matter if he did it wrong or not, that shit was slow as hell. "
    Check the video I posted. 
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    #16  Edited By Claude
    @The_Laughing_Man said:
    " @Claude said:
    " I saw the video and even if it was the right spot, fuck fishing. No matter if he did it wrong or not, that shit was slow as hell. "
    Check the video I posted.  "
    Shit, sorry, I guess he did do it wrong. Quest complete and move on.
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    #17  Edited By Rockanomics

    I always stick with my good buddy Justin, game looks like it is not fun, that's not cool.

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    #18  Edited By JokerSmilez

    I love how people harp on a game like Super Street Fighter 4, by most accounts a fantastic game, for not having a thorough enough tutorial, and then jump to defend Nier, by most account a mediocre at best game, for having a tedious, under-explained and pointless mechanic, saying it's the players fault for not understanding how to play the game right.
     
    Are all bad games the fault of the player for "not playing it right"? I guess so, because there's always someone who likes a game and for some reason takes it personally when someone they don't even know doesn't like it.

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    #19  Edited By stephengotlost

    Arg, his voice is really grating.

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    #21  Edited By RedEyesBlueBunny

    pretty hilarious. i hope that bream gets him something real awesome

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    #22  Edited By GruntSavage

    I'm playing  Nier right now and I'm actually really enjoying it. I have to admit, I made the same mistake as Justin and tried fishing in that spot for about 20 minutes before taking a break and running around exploring the town. I just stumbled upon the right spot to fish and thought it was such a shame that the game does such a bad job of showing you where you need to fish.  
    it's just a bummer because there's something really cool here, it's just buried underneath tedious missions and confusing side-quests.

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    #23  Edited By shirogane

    I did the exact same thing for that quest, until i looked at the map and realised, there was a freakin X in another spot. 
     
    Also, fishing is hard first time in ANY game. But er, yeah, this game does some weird crazy stuff sometimes.
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    #24  Edited By iamjohn
    @Lambert said:
    " What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "
    How, exactly, is the game telling you what to do and where to go to do it without beating you over the head with it bad game design?
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    #25  Edited By SubaS77
    @Lambert said:
    "What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "


    QFT.
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    #26  Edited By Cube

    That guy pisses me off. 
     
    "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish" 
     
    LI-TER-ALLY 
     
    Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out.

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    #27  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Cube said:
    " That guy pisses me off.  "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish"  LI-TER-ALLY  Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "
    There is a faster way to fish. 
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    #28  Edited By Cube
    @The_Laughing_Man said:
    " @Cube said:
    " That guy pisses me off.  "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish"  LI-TER-ALLY  Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "
    There is a faster way to fish.  "
    ...Okay...? 
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    #29  Edited By nanikore

    That fucking nasaly voice makes him sound like a little nerdy child.

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    #30  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Cube said:
    " @The_Laughing_Man said:
    " @Cube said:
    " That guy pisses me off.  "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish"  LI-TER-ALLY  Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "
    There is a faster way to fish.  "
    ...Okay...?  "
      
      A second fishing video. Skip to near the end to see how fast the bar really goes down. 
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    #31  Edited By Illmatic

    I don't know, I thought the video was pretty funny...

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    #32  Edited By BeachThunder
    @SubaS77 said:

    " @Lambert said:

    "What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "
    QFT. "
    QFQTT 
     
    Instead of the book constantly telling you to move in the opposite direction of the fish it could say something like "maybe try another fishing spot".
     
    Also, the video was LI-TER-ALLY excruciating
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    #33  Edited By conker

     "I give Nier a zero" 
    I lol'd

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    #34  Edited By SneaktheCrank
    @Lambert said:
    " What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "
    You should stop falling back on that old fanboys argument, my boy. I doubt some niche title like Nier garners many apologists anyways. From what I've read, those who enjoy it are quick to recognize it is archaic and flawed, but here we're talking about a reviewer who couldn't be bothered to stop and think a fishing minigame over -- and then he calls it quits when he learns the solution; some bullshit about his spirit being broken. 
    That is not being proficient at one's job.
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    #35  Edited By JJWeatherman

    Reminds me of this: 
      

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    #36  Edited By thatfrood

    he has an annoying voice

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    #37  Edited By Whisperkill

    In life it sometimes takes longer than an hour to catch a fish, sometimes all day. 
     
    Anyone ever read The Old Man and the Sea?

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    #38  Edited By Dauragon

    It's the new Ryan's Inferno!

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    #39  Edited By Jimbo

    He LITERALLY sounds like that whiny guy with the fucking soapbox.  Don't pretend like you don't know who I mean - the whiny one.

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    #40  Edited By Quacktastic

     Haha,  "If you're still watching this video.. the gift of life.."
     
    Anyway, the Big "X" on the mini map is where he is supposed to be and he blames the game because he ignored it for an hour?  Now you know why games are being retarded.

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    #41  Edited By jakob187
    @LiquidPrince: Hey duder.  The video of Jeff is auto-playing.  Just pointing that out.
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    #42  Edited By ryuken

    I call bullshit, Nier is a good game sure the fishing sucks (and the graphics look old) but shit, I dont see any reason for any reviewer to EVER stop playing the game so soon that they can't even do the review then instead of having someone else do the review they actually submit a "why i gave up and didnt review the game story" its fucking stupid.  even if the games shit if your going to do a review fucking do it. seriously its like I'm taking crazy pills or something.   
     
    one love :D
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    #43  Edited By The_Laughing_Man

    Just watched the game trailers review. Not one mention of messed up fishing....

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    #44  Edited By pureguava
    @JokerSmilez:  hah awesome. thank you for the laugh!
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    #45  Edited By MikkaQ

    Not that I'm really defending the game, but that just sounds like "I was too hung over to meet the deadlines, fuck it, let's just harp on this bit, and not actually review anything". 

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    #46  Edited By Soap

    Reviewer integrity takes a life time to build up... a stupid internet video to destroy.

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    #47  Edited By nobull6
    @ryuken said:
    " I call bullshit, Nier is a good game sure the fishing sucks (and the graphics look old) but shit, I dont see any reason for any reviewer to EVER stop playing the game so soon that they can't even do the review then instead of having someone else do the review they actually submit a "why i gave up and didnt review the game story" its fucking stupid.  even if the games shit if your going to do a review fucking do it. seriously its like I'm taking crazy pills or something.    one love :D "
    Yeah, you are taking crazy pills ;-)
     
    Quitting a game is a review of sorts. As a player, I quit games every once in a while (e.g. Lost Planet, Mirror's Edge). If a game is so frustrating that you don't enjoy it and you'd prefer moving on, that says quite a bit. The fishing thing wasn't the only issue Justin took with Nier, it was just the funniest. Joystiq doesn't give out scores, they just play games and tell the audience the relevant details - exactly what they did with Nier.
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    #48  Edited By DrPockets000

    haha that's great.  Angry people make me laugh.

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    #49  Edited By ryuken
    @nobull6:
    your right.... I just dont like it. Us game players on the outside can get pissed and stop playing a game and it only affects us, when "they" do it, a lot of people get turned off. I've rage quit games a bunch of times but I'll go back to it and try again, i've only really quit a few times and lost planet was one of them, HA!. Not Nier though. 
      Imagine you review games for a living and your playing a game that piss' you off and then you quit...........then what would you do? I guess it depends on whats expected of you..... I for one wouldn't want to give up. some could say this generation lost its pride for "the job"  hahaha sorry some old guy just typed that last sentence.  
     
    On another side i feel like i should defend Nier cause its a black sheep under dog type of game...that I've enjoyed and that shitty non review started a bunch of "zomg nier sux, it gots ps2 graphics, fishing irl is way easier lol" comments.
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    #50  Edited By nobull6

    By continuing this thread, does this count as beating a dead horse? Destructoid just put out a post about Nier getting DLC and had this to say (emphasis mine):
     

    You'll notice Destructoid does not have a Nier review yet. This is because it's one of the most exhausting games ever made, straddling the line between acceptable and terrible at every moment. It's not a game you either love or hate, it's a game you either hate or forgive, and we're not sure if we're able to forgive a terrible fishing minigame, endless fetch quests, forced and repeated text adventure sections, and some of the worst backtracking we've seen this generation.

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