Joystiq's failed Nier review

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#1 Posted by JokerSmilez (1293 posts) -
#2 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -

Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place.

#3 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:

" Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

Id buy that. Plus he rage quits at the end" I give Nier a zero"  
 
Just found 
 
  
#4 Posted by JokerSmilez (1293 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:

" Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

He says as much in his post.
 
"Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly."
#5 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@JokerSmilez said:
" @iAmJohn said:

" Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

He says as much in his post.
 
"Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly."
"
I do not see that as a reason to stop. Just take a break. Also it seems he was doing the fishing quite wrong (Refer to youtube I posted) 
#6 Posted by buzz_clik (6930 posts) -

Seems like a nice companion piece to Jeff enjoying a game of Mega Man 9.
 

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#7 Posted by Evilsbane (4544 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @JokerSmilez said:
" @iAmJohn said:

" Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "

He says as much in his post.
 
"Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly."
"
I do not see that as a reason to stop. Just take a break. Also it seems he was doing the fishing quite wrong (Refer to youtube I posted)  "
After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside.
#8 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -
@Evilsbane said:
" After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside. "
But even still, he's blaming the game for something he did wrong.  If he went to the part marked on the map and did what he was supposed to do, this whole thing could've been avoided.  He was just being an idiot.  I'm not trying to say he's wrong about the game, but it's hardly fair to say "I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME BECAUSE IT SUCKS BECAUSE THIS FORCED MECHANIC SUCKS" when you're just straight up doing the thing you're forced to do wrong... and in the wrong spot no less.  It's like blaming Gears of War for killing you super fast if you refuse to take cover.
#9 Posted by NickL (2246 posts) -

the point was a game shouldn't have such a tedious side activity and then require you to do it... i would have thought the game designers would have made the beach NEXT to the guy you get the fishing pole from the beach you get that stupid fish at too

#10 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@NickL said:
" the point was a game shouldn't have such a tedious side activity and then require you to do it... i would have thought the game designers would have made the beach NEXT to the guy you get the fishing pole from the beach you get that stupid fish at too "
Its not tedious. He just was doing something wrong. 
#11 Posted by hinderk (685 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:
" @Evilsbane said:
" After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside. "
But even still, he's blaming the game for something he did wrong.  If he went to the part marked on the map and did what he was supposed to do, this whole thing could've been avoided.  He was just being an idiot.  I'm not trying to say he's wrong about the game, but it's hardly fair to say "I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME BECAUSE IT SUCKS BECAUSE THIS FORCED MECHANIC SUCKS" when you're just straight up doing the thing you're forced to do wrong... and in the wrong spot no less.  It's like blaming Gears of War for killing you super fast if you refuse to take cover. "
But GOW explains it's cover machanic well. I read some of the comments in the article, and people that liked the game said the fishing mechanic isn't explained very well in the game. What do you expect the dude to do if the game doesn't properly explain the mechanics of the game.
#12 Posted by Fallen189 (4944 posts) -

That guy seems like a complete fucking idiot.

#13 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -
@hinderk: Perhaps check the mini-map and see that it's telling him to go somewhere else?  Even if the fishing mechanics really do suck (and to be fair, I hear they're awful), it doesn't change the fact that the dunce didn't even notice something so apparently obvious as that.  Not beating you over the head with something and expecting you to be smart enough to figure something out based on previously introduced information does not make something opaque.
#14 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -

I saw the video and even if it was the right spot, fuck fishing. No matter if he did it wrong or not, that shit was slow as hell.

#15 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Claude said:
" I saw the video and even if it was the right spot, fuck fishing. No matter if he did it wrong or not, that shit was slow as hell. "
Check the video I posted. 
#16 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @Claude said:
" I saw the video and even if it was the right spot, fuck fishing. No matter if he did it wrong or not, that shit was slow as hell. "
Check the video I posted.  "
Shit, sorry, I guess he did do it wrong. Quest complete and move on.
#17 Posted by Rockanomics (1150 posts) -

I always stick with my good buddy Justin, game looks like it is not fun, that's not cool.

#18 Posted by JokerSmilez (1293 posts) -

I love how people harp on a game like Super Street Fighter 4, by most accounts a fantastic game, for not having a thorough enough tutorial, and then jump to defend Nier, by most account a mediocre at best game, for having a tedious, under-explained and pointless mechanic, saying it's the players fault for not understanding how to play the game right.
 
Are all bad games the fault of the player for "not playing it right"? I guess so, because there's always someone who likes a game and for some reason takes it personally when someone they don't even know doesn't like it.

#19 Posted by stephengotlost (703 posts) -

Arg, his voice is really grating.

#20 Posted by LiquidPrince (15853 posts) -
#21 Posted by RedEyesBlueBunny (1011 posts) -

pretty hilarious. i hope that bream gets him something real awesome

#22 Posted by GruntSavage (16 posts) -

I'm playing  Nier right now and I'm actually really enjoying it. I have to admit, I made the same mistake as Justin and tried fishing in that spot for about 20 minutes before taking a break and running around exploring the town. I just stumbled upon the right spot to fish and thought it was such a shame that the game does such a bad job of showing you where you need to fish.  
it's just a bummer because there's something really cool here, it's just buried underneath tedious missions and confusing side-quests.

#23 Posted by Shirogane (3563 posts) -

I did the exact same thing for that quest, until i looked at the map and realised, there was a freakin X in another spot. 
 
Also, fishing is hard first time in ANY game. But er, yeah, this game does some weird crazy stuff sometimes.
#24 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -
@Lambert said:
" What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "
How, exactly, is the game telling you what to do and where to go to do it without beating you over the head with it bad game design?
#25 Posted by SubaS77 (44 posts) -
@Lambert said:
"What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "


QFT.
#26 Posted by Cube (4366 posts) -

That guy pisses me off. 
 
"That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish" 
 
LI-TER-ALLY 
 
Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out.

#27 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Cube said:
" That guy pisses me off.  "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish"  LI-TER-ALLY  Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "
There is a faster way to fish. 
#28 Posted by Cube (4366 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
" @Cube said:
" That guy pisses me off.  "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish"  LI-TER-ALLY  Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "
There is a faster way to fish.  "
...Okay...? 
#29 Posted by nanikore (2740 posts) -

That fucking nasaly voice makes him sound like a little nerdy child.

#30 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Cube said:
" @The_Laughing_Man said:
" @Cube said:
" That guy pisses me off.  "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish"  LI-TER-ALLY  Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "
There is a faster way to fish.  "
...Okay...?  "
  
  A second fishing video. Skip to near the end to see how fast the bar really goes down. 
#31 Posted by Illmatic (1358 posts) -

I don't know, I thought the video was pretty funny...

#32 Posted by BeachThunder (11717 posts) -
@SubaS77 said:

" @Lambert said:

"What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "
QFT. "
QFQTT 
 
Instead of the book constantly telling you to move in the opposite direction of the fish it could say something like "maybe try another fishing spot".
 
Also, the video was LI-TER-ALLY excruciating
#33 Posted by Conker (771 posts) -

 "I give Nier a zero" 
I lol'd

#34 Posted by SneaktheCrank (6 posts) -
@Lambert said:
" What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games.  What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "
You should stop falling back on that old fanboys argument, my boy. I doubt some niche title like Nier garners many apologists anyways. From what I've read, those who enjoy it are quick to recognize it is archaic and flawed, but here we're talking about a reviewer who couldn't be bothered to stop and think a fishing minigame over -- and then he calls it quits when he learns the solution; some bullshit about his spirit being broken. 
That is not being proficient at one's job.
#35 Posted by JJWeatherman (14557 posts) -

Reminds me of this: 
  

#36 Posted by ThatFrood (3375 posts) -

he has an annoying voice

#37 Edited by Whisperkill (2969 posts) -

In life it sometimes takes longer than an hour to catch a fish, sometimes all day. 
 
Anyone ever read The Old Man and the Sea?

#38 Posted by Dauragon (554 posts) -

It's the new Ryan's Inferno!

#39 Posted by Jimbo (9775 posts) -

He LITERALLY sounds like that whiny guy with the fucking soapbox.  Don't pretend like you don't know who I mean - the whiny one.

#40 Posted by Quacktastic (1066 posts) -

 Haha,  "If you're still watching this video.. the gift of life.."
 
Anyway, the Big "X" on the mini map is where he is supposed to be and he blames the game because he ignored it for an hour?  Now you know why games are being retarded.

#41 Posted by jakob187 (21645 posts) -
@LiquidPrince: Hey duder.  The video of Jeff is auto-playing.  Just pointing that out.
#42 Posted by ryuken (109 posts) -

I call bullshit, Nier is a good game sure the fishing sucks (and the graphics look old) but shit, I dont see any reason for any reviewer to EVER stop playing the game so soon that they can't even do the review then instead of having someone else do the review they actually submit a "why i gave up and didnt review the game story" its fucking stupid.  even if the games shit if your going to do a review fucking do it. seriously its like I'm taking crazy pills or something.   
 
one love :D
#43 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Just watched the game trailers review. Not one mention of messed up fishing....

#44 Posted by pureguava (70 posts) -
@JokerSmilez:  hah awesome. thank you for the laugh!
#45 Posted by MikkaQ (10269 posts) -

Not that I'm really defending the game, but that just sounds like "I was too hung over to meet the deadlines, fuck it, let's just harp on this bit, and not actually review anything". 

#46 Posted by Soap (3569 posts) -

Reviewer integrity takes a life time to build up... a stupid internet video to destroy.

#47 Posted by nobull6 (238 posts) -
@ryuken said:
" I call bullshit, Nier is a good game sure the fishing sucks (and the graphics look old) but shit, I dont see any reason for any reviewer to EVER stop playing the game so soon that they can't even do the review then instead of having someone else do the review they actually submit a "why i gave up and didnt review the game story" its fucking stupid.  even if the games shit if your going to do a review fucking do it. seriously its like I'm taking crazy pills or something.    one love :D "
Yeah, you are taking crazy pills ;-)
 
Quitting a game is a review of sorts. As a player, I quit games every once in a while (e.g. Lost Planet, Mirror's Edge). If a game is so frustrating that you don't enjoy it and you'd prefer moving on, that says quite a bit. The fishing thing wasn't the only issue Justin took with Nier, it was just the funniest. Joystiq doesn't give out scores, they just play games and tell the audience the relevant details - exactly what they did with Nier.
#48 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

haha that's great.  Angry people make me laugh.

#49 Posted by ryuken (109 posts) -
@nobull6:
your right.... I just dont like it. Us game players on the outside can get pissed and stop playing a game and it only affects us, when "they" do it, a lot of people get turned off. I've rage quit games a bunch of times but I'll go back to it and try again, i've only really quit a few times and lost planet was one of them, HA!. Not Nier though. 
  Imagine you review games for a living and your playing a game that piss' you off and then you quit...........then what would you do? I guess it depends on whats expected of you..... I for one wouldn't want to give up. some could say this generation lost its pride for "the job"  hahaha sorry some old guy just typed that last sentence.  
 
On another side i feel like i should defend Nier cause its a black sheep under dog type of game...that I've enjoyed and that shitty non review started a bunch of "zomg nier sux, it gots ps2 graphics, fishing irl is way easier lol" comments.
#50 Posted by nobull6 (238 posts) -

By continuing this thread, does this count as beating a dead horse? Destructoid just put out a post about Nier getting DLC and had this to say (emphasis mine):
 

You'll notice Destructoid does not have a Nier review yet. This is because it's one of the most exhausting games ever made, straddling the line between acceptable and terrible at every moment. It's not a game you either love or hate, it's a game you either hate or forgive, and we're not sure if we're able to forgive a terrible fishing minigame, endless fetch quests, forced and repeated text adventure sections, and some of the worst backtracking we've seen this generation.

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