I posted this in the comments of the Nier Quick Look, but I think everyone should see it.
I don't really have an opinion of Nier and have no intention of playing it. But this is hilarious.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/03/nier-review-fail/
Nier
Game » consists of 8 releases. Released Apr 22, 2010
Nothing is as it seems. Nier must travel the world in search of a cure for his daughter who has been infected with the deadly "Black Scrawl" virus. How far will you go to save someone you love?
Joystiq's failed Nier review
Id buy that. Plus he rage quits at the end" I give Nier a zero"" Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "
Just found
He says as much in his post." Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "
" @iAmJohn said:I do not see that as a reason to stop. Just take a break. Also it seems he was doing the fishing quite wrong (Refer to youtube I posted)He says as much in his post." Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "
"Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly.""
" @JokerSmilez said:After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside." @iAmJohn said:I do not see that as a reason to stop. Just take a break. Also it seems he was doing the fishing quite wrong (Refer to youtube I posted) "He says as much in his post." Apparently, according to the internet, he was being an idiot and fishing in the wrong place. "
"Protip: There's another beach that's not the beach right next to the old dude that gives you the fishing pole. I ended up trying that spot and catching the fish. But by then, the damage was done, and my spirit had been broken, sadly.""
" After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside. "But even still, he's blaming the game for something he did wrong. If he went to the part marked on the map and did what he was supposed to do, this whole thing could've been avoided. He was just being an idiot. I'm not trying to say he's wrong about the game, but it's hardly fair to say "I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME BECAUSE IT SUCKS BECAUSE THIS FORCED MECHANIC SUCKS" when you're just straight up doing the thing you're forced to do wrong... and in the wrong spot no less. It's like blaming Gears of War for killing you super fast if you refuse to take cover.
" the point was a game shouldn't have such a tedious side activity and then require you to do it... i would have thought the game designers would have made the beach NEXT to the guy you get the fishing pole from the beach you get that stupid fish at too "Its not tedious. He just was doing something wrong.
" @Evilsbane said:But GOW explains it's cover machanic well. I read some of the comments in the article, and people that liked the game said the fishing mechanic isn't explained very well in the game. What do you expect the dude to do if the game doesn't properly explain the mechanics of the game." After watching that video I really understand what that was and even if it may have been wrong that game makes you angry when you look at it, best to just let it go to the wayside. "But even still, he's blaming the game for something he did wrong. If he went to the part marked on the map and did what he was supposed to do, this whole thing could've been avoided. He was just being an idiot. I'm not trying to say he's wrong about the game, but it's hardly fair to say "I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME BECAUSE IT SUCKS BECAUSE THIS FORCED MECHANIC SUCKS" when you're just straight up doing the thing you're forced to do wrong... and in the wrong spot no less. It's like blaming Gears of War for killing you super fast if you refuse to take cover. "
" I saw the video and even if it was the right spot, fuck fishing. No matter if he did it wrong or not, that shit was slow as hell. "Check the video I posted.
I love how people harp on a game like Super Street Fighter 4, by most accounts a fantastic game, for not having a thorough enough tutorial, and then jump to defend Nier, by most account a mediocre at best game, for having a tedious, under-explained and pointless mechanic, saying it's the players fault for not understanding how to play the game right.
Are all bad games the fault of the player for "not playing it right"? I guess so, because there's always someone who likes a game and for some reason takes it personally when someone they don't even know doesn't like it.
Still one of the best videos on the site." Seems like a nice companion piece to Jeff enjoying a game of Mega Man 9.
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I'm playing Nier right now and I'm actually really enjoying it. I have to admit, I made the same mistake as Justin and tried fishing in that spot for about 20 minutes before taking a break and running around exploring the town. I just stumbled upon the right spot to fish and thought it was such a shame that the game does such a bad job of showing you where you need to fish.
it's just a bummer because there's something really cool here, it's just buried underneath tedious missions and confusing side-quests.
" What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games. What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "How, exactly, is the game telling you what to do and where to go to do it without beating you over the head with it bad game design?
" That guy pisses me off. "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish" LI-TER-ALLY Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "There is a faster way to fish.
" @The_Laughing_Man said:" @Cube said:...Okay...? "" That guy pisses me off. "That is literally the speed at which I'm catching this fish" LI-TER-ALLY Thanks bro I couldn't fucking figure that out. "There is a faster way to fish. "
QFQTT" @Lambert said:
"What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games. What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "QFT. "
Instead of the book constantly telling you to move in the opposite direction of the fish it could say something like "maybe try another fishing spot".
Also, the video was LI-TER-ALLY excruciating
" What is worse than bad games? Fanboys for those games. What is with all these apologists accepting horrible game designs these days. No wonder there is so much crap. It is because all of you idiots accept this trash. "You should stop falling back on that old fanboys argument, my boy. I doubt some niche title like Nier garners many apologists anyways. From what I've read, those who enjoy it are quick to recognize it is archaic and flawed, but here we're talking about a reviewer who couldn't be bothered to stop and think a fishing minigame over -- and then he calls it quits when he learns the solution; some bullshit about his spirit being broken.
That is not being proficient at one's job.
In life it sometimes takes longer than an hour to catch a fish, sometimes all day.
Anyone ever read The Old Man and the Sea?
Haha, "If you're still watching this video.. the gift of life.."
Anyway, the Big "X" on the mini map is where he is supposed to be and he blames the game because he ignored it for an hour? Now you know why games are being retarded.
I call bullshit, Nier is a good game sure the fishing sucks (and the graphics look old) but shit, I dont see any reason for any reviewer to EVER stop playing the game so soon that they can't even do the review then instead of having someone else do the review they actually submit a "why i gave up and didnt review the game story" its fucking stupid. even if the games shit if your going to do a review fucking do it. seriously its like I'm taking crazy pills or something.
one love :D
" I call bullshit, Nier is a good game sure the fishing sucks (and the graphics look old) but shit, I dont see any reason for any reviewer to EVER stop playing the game so soon that they can't even do the review then instead of having someone else do the review they actually submit a "why i gave up and didnt review the game story" its fucking stupid. even if the games shit if your going to do a review fucking do it. seriously its like I'm taking crazy pills or something. one love :D "Yeah, you are taking crazy pills ;-)
Quitting a game is a review of sorts. As a player, I quit games every once in a while (e.g. Lost Planet, Mirror's Edge). If a game is so frustrating that you don't enjoy it and you'd prefer moving on, that says quite a bit. The fishing thing wasn't the only issue Justin took with Nier, it was just the funniest. Joystiq doesn't give out scores, they just play games and tell the audience the relevant details - exactly what they did with Nier.
your right.... I just dont like it. Us game players on the outside can get pissed and stop playing a game and it only affects us, when "they" do it, a lot of people get turned off. I've rage quit games a bunch of times but I'll go back to it and try again, i've only really quit a few times and lost planet was one of them, HA!. Not Nier though.
Imagine you review games for a living and your playing a game that piss' you off and then you quit...........then what would you do? I guess it depends on whats expected of you..... I for one wouldn't want to give up. some could say this generation lost its pride for "the job" hahaha sorry some old guy just typed that last sentence.
On another side i feel like i should defend Nier cause its a black sheep under dog type of game...that I've enjoyed and that shitty non review started a bunch of "zomg nier sux, it gots ps2 graphics, fishing irl is way easier lol" comments.
By continuing this thread, does this count as beating a dead horse? Destructoid just put out a post about Nier getting DLC and had this to say (emphasis mine):
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