• 158g　PSPgo           ¥169.6 
• 189g　PSP-2000     ¥104.8
• 189g　PSP-3000     ¥88.9
• 214g　DSi                 ¥88.3
• 218g　DS Lite          ¥77.1
• 275g　DS                 ¥54.5
• 280g　PSP-1000    ¥70.7
• 314g　DSi LL          ¥63.7

I'll need THREE screens for me to get another DS, not that I've purchased another one after the DS Lite.  I still play me some GBA games, namely Yoshi's Island.

Those big screens look really sexy.  I'm curious as to when it's going to hit the USA.

  @JJOR64 said:

" Those big screens look really sexy.  I'm curious as to when it's going to hit the USA. "

Gram to Yen comparison ratio!? HAHAHAHAAHA. Is that even at all relevent. There's people out there going "I want more plastic for my yen, the heavier it is the better it must be".

So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?

Not actually having a DS, and it's probably the shocking colour, but the new DS looks kinda...chunky. And not at all as refined as the smaller.

" Not actually having a DS, and it's probably the shocking colour, but the new DS looks kinda...chunky. And not at all as refined as the smaller. "

So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?

that thing is fugly!!

I think that might make me finally upgrade from my fat DS.

" @creamypies said:

So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?

It's more than slightly bigger, it's quite a bit bigger.  It also includes a fat stylus for arthritic hands. "

" So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do? "

DSi LL will feature two 4.2 inch screens, offering 93% additional area over the current DSi's 3.25 inch screen size. The LL also has a wider viewing angle than the DSi. Nintendo states that this will allow friends and family to gather around and watch others play. You may also notice the speaker slots have turned into a hexagonal arrangement which is larger, this could mean it's slightly louder than the current DSi model. In terms of internal functionality, the two platforms are the same. However, separate from the system itself, DSi LL will offer users a couple of bonuses. Nintendo will be including two different touch pens with LL. One can be stored in the system similar to the current touch pen, although it's about four millimeters longer than the current one: 

" @Diamond said:

" @creamypies said:

So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?

It's more than slightly bigger, it's quite a bit bigger.  It also includes a fat stylus for arthritic hands. "

Well the screens only 1 inch bigger. Hardly much of a difference. "

It's quite the big difference, are you even looking @ the same thing we are? Anyway, it might feel weird to hold, I'd have to try it to see, my PSP 3000 makes some of my fingers numb because it's totally not ergonomical at all for some reason, I never had issue with any other "controller"... I'm also surprised the visuals don't look any worse in the larger size, that's very good picture quality, though it's probably worse for some games.

AgentJ's picture shows it clearer:

Make a much bigger and bulkier version of your handheld for more money isn't really a step forward, in my book. 

Starting to get into mini computer territory there. In screen size, anyway.

I can't tell if it's brown or dark red, but i really don't like the color.  Knowing Nintendo, this thing will probably come out in every color of the rainbow at some point in time.

That DS has a license to iLL. 
 
See what I did there.

" I can't tell if it's brown or dark red, but i really don't like the color.  Knowing Nintendo, this thing will probably come out in every color of the rainbow at some point in time. "

I bought the DS and DSL. Now with this coming out, I'm glad I never bought the DSi. I don't care at all about DSi features, but for the DSXL - a whole 1.2 inch bigger per screen compared to my DSL, that'd probably be enough to push me over. Even if I hardly play it.

I actually like the look of it, but for some reason it reminds me of the Game gear.

You'd think there was space for a GBA slot somewhere.

That's fucking huge. How much is it in USD again? I'm glad I've held off on purchasing a DS, because they keep updating it! I'm afraid by the time I have money to buy one, they'll have an even better one out!

DS iLL? Or DSi LL? I hope its not iLL.
 
Anyway I think the color is really ugly. Are they offering more color options?

" DS iLL? Or DSi LL? I hope its not iLL.  Anyway I think the color is really ugly. Are they offering more color options? "

" @super_mario_john said:

" I can't tell if it's brown or dark red, but i really don't like the color.  Knowing Nintendo, this thing will probably come out in every color of the rainbow at some point in time. "

 
 It comes in three colours when it launches:

"

Congrats, Nintendo. You've managed to create a handheld device more useless than the PSP Go.

OMG YES! thank you linky for this, i've been waiting to see how big the screen actually is.  
this is a bit ridiculous, since they released the DSi not THAT long ago. it's nice, but too big for my liking, and some games won't exactly look that well on a bigger screen.  

Another DS, seriously?

While this does look like a nice upgrade to the hardware, I can't help but question if this is another miscalculation on Nintendo's part.

" Another DS, seriously? "

" @addictedtopinescent said:

" Another DS, seriously? "

It is just another Sku, an option for the consumer.  When are consumer options such a bad thing? "

In the words of V-Pain...

I think I just got a new DSiiiiiIiiiii

Wait, so it's Cheaper AND bigger than a DSi?

They should make a DS that you can't take out of your home. That would be hella bomb.

I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else.

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

" @HandsomeDead said:

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "

I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "

" @HandsomeDead said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "

I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "

Nintendo's handheld business model does not correspond to Microsoft or Sony's general behavior in that regard.  However, Sony and Microsoft also make money through means other than video game hardware and software. "

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "

I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "

I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "

Nintendo's handheld business model does not correspond to Microsoft or Sony's general behavior in that regard.  However, Sony and Microsoft also make money through means other than video game hardware and software. "

The fact you're legitimately saying that as an excuse for Nintendo nickel and diming their market is absolutely bizarre. "

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "

I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "

Nintendo's handheld business model does not correspond to Microsoft or Sony's general behavior in that regard.  However, Sony and Microsoft also make money through means other than video game hardware and software. "

The fact you're legitimately saying that as an excuse for Nintendo nickel and diming their market is absolutely bizarre. "

" @oldschool said:

" @addictedtopinescent said:

" Another DS, seriously? "

It is just another Sku, an option for the consumer.  When are consumer options such a bad thing? "

It's not a bad thing, but I just don't get why Nintendo would put this out, It's not like the DS is doing bad or anything. "

"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "

" @oldschool said:

"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "

Because every time a product released, they announce a new upgrade that offers just enough to render the last one just out of date enough to make the new one worth buying. The upgrade from DS to DS Lite made sense and felt better than having the bulky one in my pocket but removing the GBA slot then handily giving its customers the option f buying the all new GBA Micro at a premium price is  nickel and diming to me. The same I can imagine in a few months time assuming they do something with DSi Ware where just enough games will need it so anyone who has a DS Lite will have to upgrade.  Also, consider the market Nintendo are operating in. Going for the family friendly approach and appealing to the kinds of people who don't know what they're really buying is going to really help rake it in. My Cousin is a big Wii fan, just got a DS Lite for Christmas, is already getting a DSi this Christmas and no doubt he's going to want the DSi LL when that comes out because he's 11 and Nintendo is cool to 11 year olds.  I can't defend the Elite model but the difference between the Arcade and Pro make sense, or did when hard drives didn't matter. As soon as they did, the emphasis was changed to the Pro and Elite models so the consumers weren't buying something irrelevant and that is continuing now there's only 2 SKUs. Also, 3 were near enough released at the same time rather than one coming out then an announcement a few months later that they'd be rolling out a new system with an incremental upgrade. The fact they're releasing this just for a bigger screen so that other people can join in while playing sounds so pointless that it shows Nintendo could release anything right now but get a nuclear family smiling away with it in a white room and it gets snapped up. Again, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for the business but I am not a businessman nor do I have any stock in Nintendo, what I am is a consumer and I look at these things and they look shady to me. I'm already feeling that at some point in the months after the release of the LL, there'll be a few games release that have text that can only be seen on the LL and there is the nickel and dime right there. "

It is DSi XL I believe. Either way, I don't think I'll be getting rid of my DS Phat for this. It is a little too big...maybe I'll stick to the Lite normal DSi.

" @HandsomeDead said:

" @oldschool said:

"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "

Because every time a product released, they announce a new upgrade that offers just enough to render the last one just out of date enough to make the new one worth buying. The upgrade from DS to DS Lite made sense and felt better than having the bulky one in my pocket but removing the GBA slot then handily giving its customers the option f buying the all new GBA Micro at a premium price is  nickel and diming to me. The same I can imagine in a few months time assuming they do something with DSi Ware where just enough games will need it so anyone who has a DS Lite will have to upgrade.  Also, consider the market Nintendo are operating in. Going for the family friendly approach and appealing to the kinds of people who don't know what they're really buying is going to really help rake it in. My Cousin is a big Wii fan, just got a DS Lite for Christmas, is already getting a DSi this Christmas and no doubt he's going to want the DSi LL when that comes out because he's 11 and Nintendo is cool to 11 year olds.  I can't defend the Elite model but the difference between the Arcade and Pro make sense, or did when hard drives didn't matter. As soon as they did, the emphasis was changed to the Pro and Elite models so the consumers weren't buying something irrelevant and that is continuing now there's only 2 SKUs. Also, 3 were near enough released at the same time rather than one coming out then an announcement a few months later that they'd be rolling out a new system with an incremental upgrade. The fact they're releasing this just for a bigger screen so that other people can join in while playing sounds so pointless that it shows Nintendo could release anything right now but get a nuclear family smiling away with it in a white room and it gets snapped up. Again, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for the business but I am not a businessman nor do I have any stock in Nintendo, what I am is a consumer and I look at these things and they look shady to me. I'm already feeling that at some point in the months after the release of the LL, there'll be a few games release that have text that can only be seen on the LL and there is the nickel and dime right there. "

I have no doubt DS2 will be announced 6 months after the DSi XL gets released.  I don't see this as a problem though.  A stubborn consumer could be just stuck with his Phat and still play  the games.  Most consumers of the DS probably don't have any GBA games these days, so taking that out wasn't really that big a deal.  I know this is frustrating and I can see how, but the whole consumer market economy does this as technology changes pretty rapidly and to keep their factories moving, they need consumers to change.  A new version of a dvd played is released every year by all the manufacturers.  Same for televisions.  Hell, it is the same for cars.   It is just the world we live in and Nintendo is but another player in the market economy.  I have 2 Phat and 2 Lite.  I currently have 1 DSi and expected to buy another this Christmas.  Now I will wait for the iXL to come out.  I don't have to buy them, I just do because I like them and no, I am not 11  ^-^  I doubt games will be released for DSi XL only, I just can't see that happening.  The existing text will be bigger. "

" @oldschool said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" @oldschool said:

"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "

Because every time a product released, they announce a new upgrade that offers just enough to render the last one just out of date enough to make the new one worth buying. The upgrade from DS to DS Lite made sense and felt better than having the bulky one in my pocket but removing the GBA slot then handily giving its customers the option f buying the all new GBA Micro at a premium price is  nickel and diming to me. The same I can imagine in a few months time assuming they do something with DSi Ware where just enough games will need it so anyone who has a DS Lite will have to upgrade.  Also, consider the market Nintendo are operating in. Going for the family friendly approach and appealing to the kinds of people who don't know what they're really buying is going to really help rake it in. My Cousin is a big Wii fan, just got a DS Lite for Christmas, is already getting a DSi this Christmas and no doubt he's going to want the DSi LL when that comes out because he's 11 and Nintendo is cool to 11 year olds.  I can't defend the Elite model but the difference between the Arcade and Pro make sense, or did when hard drives didn't matter. As soon as they did, the emphasis was changed to the Pro and Elite models so the consumers weren't buying something irrelevant and that is continuing now there's only 2 SKUs. Also, 3 were near enough released at the same time rather than one coming out then an announcement a few months later that they'd be rolling out a new system with an incremental upgrade. The fact they're releasing this just for a bigger screen so that other people can join in while playing sounds so pointless that it shows Nintendo could release anything right now but get a nuclear family smiling away with it in a white room and it gets snapped up. Again, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for the business but I am not a businessman nor do I have any stock in Nintendo, what I am is a consumer and I look at these things and they look shady to me. I'm already feeling that at some point in the months after the release of the LL, there'll be a few games release that have text that can only be seen on the LL and there is the nickel and dime right there. "

I have no doubt DS2 will be announced 6 months after the DSi XL gets released.  I don't see this as a problem though.  A stubborn consumer could be just stuck with his Phat and still play  the games.  Most consumers of the DS probably don't have any GBA games these days, so taking that out wasn't really that big a deal.  I know this is frustrating and I can see how, but the whole consumer market economy does this as technology changes pretty rapidly and to keep their factories moving, they need consumers to change.  A new version of a dvd played is released every year by all the manufacturers.  Same for televisions.  Hell, it is the same for cars.   It is just the world we live in and Nintendo is but another player in the market economy.  I have 2 Phat and 2 Lite.  I currently have 1 DSi and expected to buy another this Christmas.  Now I will wait for the iXL to come out.  I don't have to buy them, I just do because I like them and no, I am not 11  ^-^  I doubt games will be released for DSi XL only, I just can't see that happening.  The existing text will be bigger. "

I know Nintendo is just another comapny trying to make it but with other companies like, to use an example as i'm watching an advert right now, Samsung, they are marketting the to kind of people who are old enough and have enough money to afford a new one so any upgrade has to be justifiable as those kind of people know what they're getting into. With Nintendo, I feel like they're really exploiting their consumer base and just profiteering in such a blatant manner that they may as well be in a Paul Verhoeven sci-fi movie.  Also, I know you like them and that's why you buy them but 5 DS'? I'm not criticising, but you must have some income to afford that level of spending without feeling like it's a waste. "

So is nintendo making a new DS every few months now?
This almost reminds me of Sega. Eventually there will be so many handhelds on the market people wont know what to buy.