DS iLL - First Footage

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#1 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -

 
 
 


Nintendo's president Satoru Iwata was seen showing off the newly coined "DS iLL" at the media briefing Nintendo gave for it financial results yesterday. A Japanese news channel picked up the story and filmed the DSi LL in action:
  
It doesn't look as pixelly as I thought it may do, but I suppose Nintendo have aimed to find a good balance:
  
    
 
   Also, Japanese gaming site My Game Flash has done a Gram to Yen comparison : /

  • 158g PSPgo           ¥169.6 
  • 189g PSP-2000     ¥104.8
  • 189g PSP-3000     ¥88.9
  • 214g DSi                 ¥88.3
  • 218g DS Lite          ¥77.1
  • 275g DS                 ¥54.5
  • 280g PSP-1000    ¥70.7
  • 314g DSi LL          ¥63.7
 
 UPDATE:  
 
The machine hit Japanese stores this morning..
 
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#2 Posted by rjayb89 (7722 posts) -

I'll need THREE screens for me to get another DS, not that I've purchased another one after the DS Lite.  I still play me some GBA games, namely Yoshi's Island.

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#3 Posted by JJOR64 (18995 posts) -

Those big screens look really sexy.  I'm curious as to when it's going to hit the USA.

#4 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -

  @JJOR64 said:

" Those big screens look really sexy.  I'm curious as to when it's going to hit the USA. "


 My guesstimate is in the first week of May next year, just before Mothers Day - I'm taking the intended audience into consideration.  
 
Fathers Day is on the third Sunday in June.  
#5 Posted by Scooper (7881 posts) -

Gram to Yen comparison ratio!? HAHAHAHAAHA. Is that even at all relevent. There's people out there going "I want more plastic for my yen, the heavier it is the better it must be".

#6 Posted by Creamypies (4066 posts) -

So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?

#7 Posted by DCFGS3 (1054 posts) -

Not actually having a DS, and it's probably the shocking colour, but the new DS looks kinda...chunky. And not at all as refined as the smaller.

#8 Posted by Hailinel (24834 posts) -
@DCFGS3 said:
" Not actually having a DS, and it's probably the shocking colour, but the new DS looks kinda...chunky. And not at all as refined as the smaller. "
Chunky?  That thing?  Did you ever hold an original pre-Lite DS?  That thing needed a diet.
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#9 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -
@creamypies said:
So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?
It's more than slightly bigger, it's quite a bit bigger.  It also includes a fat stylus for arthritic hands.
#10 Posted by Zajtalan (1163 posts) -

that thing is fugly!!

#11 Posted by Dethfish (3667 posts) -

I think that might make me finally upgrade from my fat DS.

#12 Posted by Creamypies (4066 posts) -
@Diamond said:
" @creamypies said:
So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?
It's more than slightly bigger, it's quite a bit bigger.  It also includes a fat stylus for arthritic hands. "
Well the screens only 1 inch bigger. Hardly much of a difference.
#13 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@creamypies said:

" So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do? "

 
Nothing given that's it's primary purpose. This model is intended to appeal to a senior audience who made criticisms as soon as the first Brain Training launched, They complained that the DS screens were to small and the stylus were difficult to grasp. 
 

Taken from another thread:


DSi LL will feature two 4.2 inch screens, offering 93% additional area over the current DSi's 3.25 inch screen size. The LL also has a wider viewing angle than the DSi. Nintendo states that this will allow friends and family to gather around and watch others play. You may also notice the speaker slots have turned into a hexagonal arrangement which is larger, this could mean it's slightly louder than the current DSi model. In terms of internal functionality, the two platforms are the same. However, separate from the system itself, DSi LL will offer users a couple of bonuses. Nintendo will be including two different touch pens with LL. One can be stored in the system similar to the current touch pen, although it's about four millimeters longer than the current one: 

  
 
 



#14 Posted by Hailinel (24834 posts) -
@creamypies said:
" @Diamond said:
" @creamypies said:
So apart from being slightly bigger... what else does it do?
It's more than slightly bigger, it's quite a bit bigger.  It also includes a fat stylus for arthritic hands. "
Well the screens only 1 inch bigger. Hardly much of a difference. "
That one inch almost doubles the screen size.  That's pretty significant.
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#15 Edited by Al3xand3r (7574 posts) -

It's quite the big difference, are you even looking @ the same thing we are? Anyway, it might feel weird to hold, I'd have to try it to see, my PSP 3000 makes some of my fingers numb because it's totally not ergonomical at all for some reason, I never had issue with any other "controller"... I'm also surprised the visuals don't look any worse in the larger size, that's very good picture quality, though it's probably worse for some games.

AgentJ's picture shows it clearer:

Much larger screen.
#16 Posted by Red (5995 posts) -

Make a much bigger and bulkier version of your handheld for more money isn't really a step forward, in my book. 

#17 Posted by Alphazero (1536 posts) -

Starting to get into mini computer territory there. In screen size, anyway.

#18 Posted by JohnnyAutoFire (353 posts) -

I can't tell if it's brown or dark red, but i really don't like the color.  Knowing Nintendo, this thing will probably come out in every color of the rainbow at some point in time.

#19 Posted by Gorillawhat (1259 posts) -

That DS has a license to iLL. 
 
See what I did there.

#20 Posted by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@super_mario_john said:
" I can't tell if it's brown or dark red, but i really don't like the color.  Knowing Nintendo, this thing will probably come out in every color of the rainbow at some point in time. "
 
 It comes in three when it launches:



#21 Posted by TripMasterMunky (2403 posts) -

I bought the DS and DSL. Now with this coming out, I'm glad I never bought the DSi. I don't care at all about DSi features, but for the DSXL - a whole 1.2 inch bigger per screen compared to my DSL, that'd probably be enough to push me over. Even if I hardly play it.

#22 Posted by Bucketdeth (8012 posts) -

I actually like the look of it, but for some reason it reminds me of the Game gear.

#23 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

You'd think there was space for a GBA slot somewhere.

#24 Posted by Karmum (11519 posts) -

That's fucking huge. How much is it in USD again? I'm glad I've held off on purchasing a DS, because they keep updating it! I'm afraid by the time I have money to buy one, they'll have an even better one out!

#25 Posted by Mushir (2389 posts) -

DS iLL? Or DSi LL? I hope its not iLL.
 
Anyway I think the color is really ugly. Are they offering more color options?

#26 Edited by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -
@Twilight said:

" DS iLL? Or DSi LL? I hope its not iLL.  Anyway I think the color is really ugly. Are they offering more color options? "

 
How could you fail to see this post below is beyond my comprehension... 
 
@Linkyshinks said:

" @super_mario_john said:

" I can't tell if it's brown or dark red, but i really don't like the color.  Knowing Nintendo, this thing will probably come out in every color of the rainbow at some point in time. "
 
 It comes in three colours when it launches:



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#27 Posted by Giantsquirrel (601 posts) -

Congrats, Nintendo. You've managed to create a handheld device more useless than the PSP Go.

#28 Posted by AjayRaz (12428 posts) -

OMG YES! thank you linky for this, i've been waiting to see how big the screen actually is.  
this is a bit ridiculous, since they released the DSi not THAT long ago. it's nice, but too big for my liking, and some games won't exactly look that well on a bigger screen.  

#29 Posted by addictedtopinescent (3645 posts) -

Another DS, seriously?

#30 Posted by Mourne (789 posts) -

While this does look like a nice upgrade to the hardware, I can't help but question if this is another miscalculation on Nintendo's part.

#31 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -
@addictedtopinescent said:
" Another DS, seriously? "
It is just another Sku, an option for the consumer.  When are consumer options such a bad thing?
#32 Posted by addictedtopinescent (3645 posts) -
@oldschool said:
" @addictedtopinescent said:
" Another DS, seriously? "
It is just another Sku, an option for the consumer.  When are consumer options such a bad thing? "
It's not a bad thing, but I just don't get why Nintendo would put this out, It's not like the DS is doing bad or anything.
#33 Posted by ImperiousRix (2963 posts) -

In the words of V-Pain...

I think I just got a new DSiiiiiIiiiii

#34 Posted by TheMustacheHero (6655 posts) -

Wait, so it's Cheaper AND bigger than a DSi?

#35 Posted by Giantsquirrel (601 posts) -

They should make a DS that you can't take out of your home. That would be hella bomb.

#36 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else.

#37 Posted by Hailinel (24834 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "
And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business.
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#38 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
@Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "
And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "
I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade.
#39 Posted by Hailinel (24834 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "
And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "
I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "
Nintendo's handheld business model does not correspond to Microsoft or Sony's general behavior in that regard.  However, Sony and Microsoft also make money through means other than video game hardware and software.
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#40 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
@Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "
And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "
I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "
Nintendo's handheld business model does not correspond to Microsoft or Sony's general behavior in that regard.  However, Sony and Microsoft also make money through means other than video game hardware and software. "
The fact you're legitimately saying that as an excuse for Nintendo nickel and diming their market is absolutely bizarre.
#41 Edited by Al3xand3r (7574 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @HandsomeDead said:

" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "

And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "
I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "
Huh? DS, DS Lite, DSi, and an alternate (no incremental update or advancement here, it's really a mere option with no added functionality, only a difference for preference) DSi XL. How is that so much different to PSP 1000, 2000, 3000, and Go, plus add-ons like the camera? The Lite offered better form factor and brightness/screens without being mandatory just like the later PSP models. The i has extra features not available to past DS models but it's still far from a mandatory update at this point. It's been 5 years since the DS launch anyway, hardly a short time. The various PSP models also have some differences in the features and supported peripherals (like the TV cables). In the past the same was done with controller options like on the PlayStation going from a standard pad, to dual analog, to dual shock, and having a similar course with the PS3 and its dual analog 3, dual shock 3 pads. Then there's how prone to breaking Microsoft systems have been forcing people to eventually buy newer, supposdelly better models. Or how Microsoft release a new Windows version with different SKUS every few years. Throwing new products or revisions in the market is common business practice, not something only Nintendo does. In short, wtf are you on again?
#42 Posted by Hailinel (24834 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "
And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "
I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "
Nintendo's handheld business model does not correspond to Microsoft or Sony's general behavior in that regard.  However, Sony and Microsoft also make money through means other than video game hardware and software. "
The fact you're legitimately saying that as an excuse for Nintendo nickel and diming their market is absolutely bizarre. "
How is it nickel and diming anyone?  If you own a DSi, you already have all of the features of the DSi LL.  The only reason that you might want to pick an LL up if you already own a DSi is if you really want the larger screens, but it is not a mandatory upgrade from one to the other, just like it wasn't a mandatory upgrade from the original DS to the DS Lite.
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#43 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" I like how Nintendo don't even hide the fact they're just interested in getting your money and nothing else. "
And this differs from Sony and Microsoft how?  Nintendo is a large company.  Making lots of money keeps them in business. "
I don't remember Sony or Nintendo releasing such incremental advancements in technology as if it were a brand new product, particularly in such a small time frame as the Nintendo handhelds. The DSi has barely been out 6 months in Europe and they're already announcing an upgrade. "
Nintendo's handheld business model does not correspond to Microsoft or Sony's general behavior in that regard.  However, Sony and Microsoft also make money through means other than video game hardware and software. "
The fact you're legitimately saying that as an excuse for Nintendo nickel and diming their market is absolutely bizarre. "
How are they "nickel and diming" their market? 
 
Are consumers forced to buy it? 
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen? 
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?   
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.  
#44 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -
@addictedtopinescent said:
" @oldschool said:
" @addictedtopinescent said:
" Another DS, seriously? "
It is just another Sku, an option for the consumer.  When are consumer options such a bad thing? "
It's not a bad thing, but I just don't get why Nintendo would put this out, It's not like the DS is doing bad or anything. "
I can't imagine that anything but their market research told them that there is a market that is under utilised ( or under exploited if you like, it's semantics in marketing speak).  I don't think it is cynical, but there is no doubt that as a business model, I am expecting this will grow their market enough to justify it.
#45 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
@oldschool said:
"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "
Because every time a product released, they announce a new upgrade that offers just enough to render the last one just out of date enough to make the new one worth buying. The upgrade from DS to DS Lite made sense and felt better than having the bulky one in my pocket but removing the GBA slot then handily giving its customers the option f buying the all new GBA Micro at a premium price is  nickel and diming to me. The same I can imagine in a few months time assuming they do something with DSi Ware where just enough games will need it so anyone who has a DS Lite will have to upgrade.
 
Also, consider the market Nintendo are operating in. Going for the family friendly approach and appealing to the kinds of people who don't know what they're really buying is going to really help rake it in. My Cousin is a big Wii fan, just got a DS Lite for Christmas, is already getting a DSi this Christmas and no doubt he's going to want the DSi LL when that comes out because he's 11 and Nintendo is cool to 11 year olds.
 
I can't defend the Elite model but the difference between the Arcade and Pro make sense, or did when hard drives didn't matter. As soon as they did, the emphasis was changed to the Pro and Elite models so the consumers weren't buying something irrelevant and that is continuing now there's only 2 SKUs. Also, 3 were near enough released at the same time rather than one coming out then an announcement a few months later that they'd be rolling out a new system with an incremental upgrade. The fact they're releasing this just for a bigger screen so that other people can join in while playing sounds so pointless that it shows Nintendo could release anything right now but get a nuclear family smiling away with it in a white room and it gets snapped up.
 
Again, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for the business but I am not a businessman nor do I have any stock in Nintendo, what I am is a consumer and I look at these things and they look shady to me. I'm already feeling that at some point in the months after the release of the LL, there'll be a few games release that have text that can only be seen on the LL and there is the nickel and dime right there.
#46 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" @oldschool said:
"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "
Because every time a product released, they announce a new upgrade that offers just enough to render the last one just out of date enough to make the new one worth buying. The upgrade from DS to DS Lite made sense and felt better than having the bulky one in my pocket but removing the GBA slot then handily giving its customers the option f buying the all new GBA Micro at a premium price is  nickel and diming to me. The same I can imagine in a few months time assuming they do something with DSi Ware where just enough games will need it so anyone who has a DS Lite will have to upgrade.  Also, consider the market Nintendo are operating in. Going for the family friendly approach and appealing to the kinds of people who don't know what they're really buying is going to really help rake it in. My Cousin is a big Wii fan, just got a DS Lite for Christmas, is already getting a DSi this Christmas and no doubt he's going to want the DSi LL when that comes out because he's 11 and Nintendo is cool to 11 year olds.  I can't defend the Elite model but the difference between the Arcade and Pro make sense, or did when hard drives didn't matter. As soon as they did, the emphasis was changed to the Pro and Elite models so the consumers weren't buying something irrelevant and that is continuing now there's only 2 SKUs. Also, 3 were near enough released at the same time rather than one coming out then an announcement a few months later that they'd be rolling out a new system with an incremental upgrade. The fact they're releasing this just for a bigger screen so that other people can join in while playing sounds so pointless that it shows Nintendo could release anything right now but get a nuclear family smiling away with it in a white room and it gets snapped up. Again, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for the business but I am not a businessman nor do I have any stock in Nintendo, what I am is a consumer and I look at these things and they look shady to me. I'm already feeling that at some point in the months after the release of the LL, there'll be a few games release that have text that can only be seen on the LL and there is the nickel and dime right there. "
I have no doubt DS2 will be announced 6 months after the DSi XL gets released.  I don't see this as a problem though.  A stubborn consumer could be just stuck with his Phat and still play  the games.  Most consumers of the DS probably don't have any GBA games these days, so taking that out wasn't really that big a deal. 
 
I know this is frustrating and I can see how, but the whole consumer market economy does this as technology changes pretty rapidly and to keep their factories moving, they need consumers to change.  A new version of a dvd played is released every year by all the manufacturers.  Same for televisions.  Hell, it is the same for cars.   It is just the world we live in and Nintendo is but another player in the market economy. 
 
I have 2 Phat and 2 Lite.  I currently have 1 DSi and expected to buy another this Christmas.  Now I will wait for the iXL to come out.  I don't have to buy them, I just do because I like them and no, I am not 11  ^-^ 
 
I doubt games will be released for DSi XL only, I just can't see that happening.  The existing text will be bigger.
#47 Posted by Dan_CiTi (3320 posts) -

It is DSi XL I believe. Either way, I don't think I'll be getting rid of my DS Phat for this. It is a little too big...maybe I'll stick to the Lite normal DSi.

#48 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
@oldschool said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @oldschool said:
"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "
Because every time a product released, they announce a new upgrade that offers just enough to render the last one just out of date enough to make the new one worth buying. The upgrade from DS to DS Lite made sense and felt better than having the bulky one in my pocket but removing the GBA slot then handily giving its customers the option f buying the all new GBA Micro at a premium price is  nickel and diming to me. The same I can imagine in a few months time assuming they do something with DSi Ware where just enough games will need it so anyone who has a DS Lite will have to upgrade.  Also, consider the market Nintendo are operating in. Going for the family friendly approach and appealing to the kinds of people who don't know what they're really buying is going to really help rake it in. My Cousin is a big Wii fan, just got a DS Lite for Christmas, is already getting a DSi this Christmas and no doubt he's going to want the DSi LL when that comes out because he's 11 and Nintendo is cool to 11 year olds.  I can't defend the Elite model but the difference between the Arcade and Pro make sense, or did when hard drives didn't matter. As soon as they did, the emphasis was changed to the Pro and Elite models so the consumers weren't buying something irrelevant and that is continuing now there's only 2 SKUs. Also, 3 were near enough released at the same time rather than one coming out then an announcement a few months later that they'd be rolling out a new system with an incremental upgrade. The fact they're releasing this just for a bigger screen so that other people can join in while playing sounds so pointless that it shows Nintendo could release anything right now but get a nuclear family smiling away with it in a white room and it gets snapped up. Again, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for the business but I am not a businessman nor do I have any stock in Nintendo, what I am is a consumer and I look at these things and they look shady to me. I'm already feeling that at some point in the months after the release of the LL, there'll be a few games release that have text that can only be seen on the LL and there is the nickel and dime right there. "
I have no doubt DS2 will be announced 6 months after the DSi XL gets released.  I don't see this as a problem though.  A stubborn consumer could be just stuck with his Phat and still play  the games.  Most consumers of the DS probably don't have any GBA games these days, so taking that out wasn't really that big a deal.  I know this is frustrating and I can see how, but the whole consumer market economy does this as technology changes pretty rapidly and to keep their factories moving, they need consumers to change.  A new version of a dvd played is released every year by all the manufacturers.  Same for televisions.  Hell, it is the same for cars.   It is just the world we live in and Nintendo is but another player in the market economy.  I have 2 Phat and 2 Lite.  I currently have 1 DSi and expected to buy another this Christmas.  Now I will wait for the iXL to come out.  I don't have to buy them, I just do because I like them and no, I am not 11  ^-^  I doubt games will be released for DSi XL only, I just can't see that happening.  The existing text will be bigger. "
I know Nintendo is just another comapny trying to make it but with other companies like, to use an example as i'm watching an advert right now, Samsung, they are marketting the to kind of people who are old enough and have enough money to afford a new one so any upgrade has to be justifiable as those kind of people know what they're getting into. With Nintendo, I feel like they're really exploiting their consumer base and just profiteering in such a blatant manner that they may as well be in a Paul Verhoeven sci-fi movie.
 
Also, I know you like them and that's why you buy them but 5 DS'? I'm not criticising, but you must have some income to afford that level of spending without feeling like it's a waste.
#49 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" @oldschool said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @oldschool said:
"How are they "nickel and diming" their market?
 
Are consumers forced to buy it?
 
Is it wrong to see a market within the market that has potential for growth - those who can't deal with a small screen?
 
If they have 3 skus on the market at the same time, is this unique?  Is this bad?  Is it so different than Microsoft with a Arcade, Pro and Elite available at the same time?
 
Explain to me and the rest of the class why having an extra option is a bad thing.  If anything, it increases production costs as economies of scale are reduced by segmenting your audience.   "
Because every time a product released, they announce a new upgrade that offers just enough to render the last one just out of date enough to make the new one worth buying. The upgrade from DS to DS Lite made sense and felt better than having the bulky one in my pocket but removing the GBA slot then handily giving its customers the option f buying the all new GBA Micro at a premium price is  nickel and diming to me. The same I can imagine in a few months time assuming they do something with DSi Ware where just enough games will need it so anyone who has a DS Lite will have to upgrade.  Also, consider the market Nintendo are operating in. Going for the family friendly approach and appealing to the kinds of people who don't know what they're really buying is going to really help rake it in. My Cousin is a big Wii fan, just got a DS Lite for Christmas, is already getting a DSi this Christmas and no doubt he's going to want the DSi LL when that comes out because he's 11 and Nintendo is cool to 11 year olds.  I can't defend the Elite model but the difference between the Arcade and Pro make sense, or did when hard drives didn't matter. As soon as they did, the emphasis was changed to the Pro and Elite models so the consumers weren't buying something irrelevant and that is continuing now there's only 2 SKUs. Also, 3 were near enough released at the same time rather than one coming out then an announcement a few months later that they'd be rolling out a new system with an incremental upgrade. The fact they're releasing this just for a bigger screen so that other people can join in while playing sounds so pointless that it shows Nintendo could release anything right now but get a nuclear family smiling away with it in a white room and it gets snapped up. Again, i'm not saying it's a bad thing for the business but I am not a businessman nor do I have any stock in Nintendo, what I am is a consumer and I look at these things and they look shady to me. I'm already feeling that at some point in the months after the release of the LL, there'll be a few games release that have text that can only be seen on the LL and there is the nickel and dime right there. "
I have no doubt DS2 will be announced 6 months after the DSi XL gets released.  I don't see this as a problem though.  A stubborn consumer could be just stuck with his Phat and still play  the games.  Most consumers of the DS probably don't have any GBA games these days, so taking that out wasn't really that big a deal.  I know this is frustrating and I can see how, but the whole consumer market economy does this as technology changes pretty rapidly and to keep their factories moving, they need consumers to change.  A new version of a dvd played is released every year by all the manufacturers.  Same for televisions.  Hell, it is the same for cars.   It is just the world we live in and Nintendo is but another player in the market economy.  I have 2 Phat and 2 Lite.  I currently have 1 DSi and expected to buy another this Christmas.  Now I will wait for the iXL to come out.  I don't have to buy them, I just do because I like them and no, I am not 11  ^-^  I doubt games will be released for DSi XL only, I just can't see that happening.  The existing text will be bigger. "
I know Nintendo is just another comapny trying to make it but with other companies like, to use an example as i'm watching an advert right now, Samsung, they are marketting the to kind of people who are old enough and have enough money to afford a new one so any upgrade has to be justifiable as those kind of people know what they're getting into. With Nintendo, I feel like they're really exploiting their consumer base and just profiteering in such a blatant manner that they may as well be in a Paul Verhoeven sci-fi movie.  Also, I know you like them and that's why you buy them but 5 DS'? I'm not criticising, but you must have some income to afford that level of spending without feeling like it's a waste. "
Always keep in mind HD, there are 4 of us in the home and so it is a collective, not an individual with the 5.  They get used a lot and especially for 4 player games.  I do have a good income, but I also have no vices to use up that money. 
 
If Nintendo are Starship Troopers then they are the most awesome company in the history of man.  I can just imagine a DS ad like the bug squishing one in that movie  ^-^ 
 
I really don't see a difference between your Samsung example and Nintendo.  Very few parents throw out a couple of hundred dollars to shut their kids up.  I am give most the credit for buying something they consider worthwhile.  They are the same customers who buy that Samsung television.  Exploiting consumers is a big call.  If we are talking exploiting consumers, then we need to discuss mobile phone companies, not Nintendo.  Even then, I have had a grand total of 3 phones in 15 years of owning.  Their sales pitch does not get to me, but it sure as hell gets to many others who upgrade yearly.
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So is nintendo making a new DS every few months now?
This almost reminds me of Sega. Eventually there will be so many handhelds on the market people wont know what to buy.

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