So you'd rather see them die than cater to an audience that you're no longer a part of?

Good show, old chap.  No, really.

I agree with you, but many probably won't. The only game I've finished on my Wii was a Japanese import of Fatal Frame 4. I can't stick with the controls for games like SMG, even though I readily admit it's a great game. Give me a proper controller and I'd enjoy it a hell of a lot more.

Wow, two bad blogs about Nintendo in one day?  What a treat!

I play video a lot of video games; Wii, Xbox 360 and PC. They all have something I like. I've enjoyed the shit out of my Wii. If you want to complain, complain to the developers for trying to make money on a larger audience by simplifying their video games. Look how CRPGs have changed over the years trying to reach a wider audience.

Video games make more money now than they did 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Times are changing. Maybe it's time to jump off that video game train.

Games can't be fun unless they're in HD online with achievements?

Ok, Mr. Crazy Person.

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@Galiant said:

" Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

@Galiant said:

" With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today "

HA HA HA HA "

I don´t know .. Im not annoyed by Nintendo success (in sales) people can go waste their time and money in whatever they want for what I care.. it´s a free country.

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@Galiant said:

" Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

@Galiant said:

" With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today "

HA HA HA HA "

Care to elaborate? Since you put "and iPhone" in bold, I'll bite and tell you that I use public transportation a lot and being able to play games on my iPhone is a great way to make those 40 minutes pass. I'd love to hear why that's funny. "

" @Galiant said:

" @Icemael said:

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@Galiant said:

" Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

@Galiant said:

" With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today "

HA HA HA HA "

Care to elaborate? Since you put "and iPhone" in bold, I'll bite and tell you that I use public transportation a lot and being able to play games on my iPhone is a great way to make those 40 minutes pass. I'd love to hear why that's funny. "

There are better portable gaming devices out there. Namely the DS and PSP. "

" @TehFlan said:

" @Galiant said:

" @Icemael said:

" @Galiant said:

" Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

@Galiant said:

" With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today "

HA HA HA HA "

Care to elaborate? Since you put "and iPhone" in bold, I'll bite and tell you that I use public transportation a lot and being able to play games on my iPhone is a great way to make those 40 minutes pass. I'd love to hear why that's funny. "

There are better portable gaming devices out there. Namely the DS and PSP. "

This. Even the Kirby series, Nintendo's most casual stuff without "Wii" or "Party" in the title, is more hardcore than practically everything on the iPhone. "

" @TehFlan said:

" @Galiant said:

" @Icemael said:

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@Galiant said:

" Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

@Galiant said:

" With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today "

HA HA HA HA "

Care to elaborate? Since you put "and iPhone" in bold, I'll bite and tell you that I use public transportation a lot and being able to play games on my iPhone is a great way to make those 40 minutes pass. I'd love to hear why that's funny. "

There are better portable gaming devices out there. Namely the DS and PSP. "

This. Even the Kirby series, Nintendo's most casual stuff without "Wii" or "Party" in the title, is more hardcore than practically everything on the iPhone. "

" @Icemael said:

" @TehFlan said:

" @Galiant said:

" @Icemael said:

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@Galiant said:

" Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

@Galiant said:

" With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today "

HA HA HA HA "

Care to elaborate? Since you put "and iPhone" in bold, I'll bite and tell you that I use public transportation a lot and being able to play games on my iPhone is a great way to make those 40 minutes pass. I'd love to hear why that's funny. "

There are better portable gaming devices out there. Namely the DS and PSP. "

This. Even the Kirby series, Nintendo's most casual stuff without "Wii" or "Party" in the title, is more hardcore than practically everything on the iPhone. "

Kirby either eats his enemies or RIPS THEM TO SHREDS. That series is more hardcore than any on the market. "

" Wow, two bad blogs about Nintendo in one day?  What a treat! "

" Games can't be fun unless they're in HD online with achievements?Ok, Mr. Crazy Person. "

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"  @Galiant said: 

"  @Icemael said: 

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@Galiant said: 

" Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

@Galiant said: 

" With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today "

HA HA HA HA "

Care to elaborate? Since you put "and iPhone" in bold, I'll bite and tell you that I use public transportation a lot and being able to play games on my iPhone is a great way to make those 40 minutes pass. I'd love to hear why that's funny. "

There are better portable gaming devices out there. Namely the DS and PSP. "

This. Even the Kirby series, Nintendo's most casual stuff without "Wii" or "Party" in the title, is more hardcore than practically everything on the iPhone. "

If nintendo leaves a bad taste in your mouth, I wouldn't put it in there anymore.

" I don't understand what you're trying to say. Is my iPhone not "hardcore" enough for you? I do most of my gaming at home and when I'm away from home I don't want hardcore, I want simple, mostly because of time constraints. When I'm at home I don't need a portable. Again, this is obviously no fault of Nintendo's so I don't know what your point is. "

"

This forum blog praising Nintendo and everything Nintendo does got me thinking.

I'm not part of Nintendo's target audience anymore which makes me feel that there are many things lacking with most everything Nintendo puts out, none of it is for me. They have all these gimmicks going on while they're still behind the other consoles and their software in so many aspects. You know what I'm talking about, HD, HDD, anything online, trophies/achievements...the way they handle some of these things just feels so dated and weird. With my PC, PS3 and iPhone I get everything I want out of games today and I wish Nintendo would just either evolve or die and make room on the market for the stuff I enjoy. But hey, that's not how the world works. I'm afraid that if they continue to do so well, I will become part of a minority gaming audience and games will move in a direction I really don't want them to when everyone tries to emulate Nintendo's success. I'm 23 now, raised by Donkey Kong and Mario but I've grown up and come to accept that Nintendo is for kids, nostalgic people and people who generally don't play a lot of games. I'm just not part of that group. "

" @Claude: what? I know what a CRPG is =/ "

I hardly play my wii but when I do I enjoy it because it offers something different completely different from what I would get on the 360 or PS3, when its at its best anyway. I agree though that there are some obvious things that Nintendo are clearly missing.

" @Galiant: Are you telling me that there are no games on the Wii for serious gamers? Super Mario Galaxy, Zak and Wiki, Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Fragile Dreams, House of the Dead: Overkill are serious games on a mechanical and/or narrative level. By serious I presume you mean games that are either more mature in narrative content or provide a challenge for a skilled gamer. Meowayne's sticky thread in the Wii forum has more than 70 games on it worth considering.Achievements are retarded and promote playing bad games or time-wasting, the Wii has flash memory which is a better technology (too little of it, true), online could be better but this is the case with Japanese dev. in general. The PS3 and Xbox look like shit at 1080p (if you care about high resolution get a PC seriously). Both 360 and PS3 are too underpowered to run games at 1080p and either look good or run well with no AA, locked at 30fps with often noticeable dips, and low detail settings. The only reason they decided to jump ahead to 1080p is for marketing purposes, to be running at the native resolution of widescreen HDTVs. Running at 480p does not diminish the graphical excellence of some of the Wii's games, it's just that very few companies put the effort in.The way the industry develops will also be to inevitably cater to the widest possible variety of people because games cost a large amount of money to develop. And this is true of all systems, not just Nintendo's, in case you haven't noticed. But I highly doubt you are a serious gamer that values only the most complex mechanics and highest difficulty - not as a slight towards you, but most gamers complain about hard and complex games. Also, if you're 23 and a serious gamer you ought to have the taste and motivation to find the good games worth playing on the system. Also, do you not see the contradiction of bewailing casualisation whilst being an Iphone gamer? "

If you love software quality, MS is the way to go.

" @Galiant said:

" I don't understand what you're trying to say. Is my iPhone not "hardcore" enough for you? I do most of my gaming at home and when I'm away from home I don't want hardcore, I want simple, mostly because of time constraints. When I'm at home I don't need a portable. Again, this is obviously no fault of Nintendo's so I don't know what your point is. "

My point is that you shouldn't create a topic about how Nintendo leaves a bad taste in your mouth because they're too casual and then express love for the iPhone, the most casual gaming device of all time. Especially when there are great hardcore games for the Wii and DS, while the iPhone has nothing.

@Galiant said:

" Since you put "and iPhone" in bold, I'll bite and tell you that I use public transportation a lot and being able to play games on my iPhone is a great way to make those 40 minutes pass. "

40 minutes is more than enough to play a good chunk of something hardcore, unless it's Metal Gear Solid or a JRPG with really long dungeons and scarce save points.

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" @jking47:  CRPG is computer role playing game. They just don't make them the same. They're more streamlined to cater to a larger audience. As for the Wii, I've played some great games on it, too many to list. I just don't understand how Nintendo could leave a bad taste in your mouth. They helped bring in more money to the industry and there will always be video games you like to play. You won't be in the minority for a long, long time. So, keep on playing. "

" @Galiant:  Ok, I might have misinterpreted the spirit of your original post. It's just making statements like "Wii is for nostalgic people, casuals, and fanboys" is downright offensive, especially for those who have spent time with the system. It's a question of perspective: every system on the market has a load of bad games and shovelware, but it's only for the Wii that it gets noticed. Do you know why nobody spends time talking about this stunning revelation for the other systems? Because it's true of every system, it's not relevant, and it's tiresome! Or do people just assume that what they see on store shelves reflects everything that is available? Also, it's not like you're forced to use motion controls for every game on the system, many of them have classic controller and gc controller support.

Anyway, I don't agree with you that motion controls are entirely a gimmick either. For many genres I prefer a controller (or mouse and keyboard). I would argue that m. control however does make some genres better: sports games, point-and-click adventure games, and rail shooters for example.

As for the question of Nintendo being "dated", it's a question of priority don't you think? Achievement systems and online play aren't a priority in Japan. Although that might seem skewed to the Western gamer, it makes sense for that market. And some people in the West will share those priorities, as Nintendo does deliver when it comes to single-player titles. If I needed the other stuff I'd own the other systems or ignore them and get a PC. Everything you mentioned I don't particularly care for, as the number of downloadable titles of worth can be counted on one hand, a bigger flash drive would be much better than a standard hard drive because of faster read times, and I hate playing with randoms online. "

You are absolutely right, but I still (like a sucker) buy much of their crap (including the DS, 3DS and the Wii which I bought).

it's just like you said; you/we are not their target audience anymore. I think they (wisely) realized they didn't have what it takes anymore to compete with the core gamers they created; it's too costly, there is too much risk involved - so they did the next best thing (for them) by seeking out a younger audience. Kids are easy to impress and will "oooooooohhhh" and "aaaaaahhhhh" at every little whistle. Developing games is considerably easier and takes much less to pull off... and well, kids are very openly clear about what they like so as long as you listen to them you know how to make stuff they will beg their parents to buy.

It's a brilliant business move in my opinion, but I can't help but feel it's a bit sad that they seem to have abandoned the gamers they created for an easier "sure bet".