Would you like to see the Wii U fail to force Nintendo to become just a 3rd Party Software Developer for consoles?

#1 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -


#2 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -

No, I like competition and think it would hurt the video game market more than help. I also believe in the quality of Nintendo's consoles and their software on those consoles.

#3 Posted by MrKlorox (11185 posts) -

While I would LOVE some Nintendo games on other platforms, I don't want the Wii U to fail at all.

#4 Posted by RandomInternetUser (6788 posts) -

I don't know if I want it to fail, but I would love it if Nintendo just became a 3rd party developer/hand-held company.

#5 Posted by Spoonman671 (4371 posts) -

I honestly despise what Nintendo has become, but this industry just wouldn't be the same without them as a platform holder.

#6 Posted by EuanDewar (4509 posts) -

I don't want to see the WiiU fail but I do want to see some of the stock, go to first party games fail, maybe give Nintendo some incentive to freshen up some of that shit. Just my opinion.

#7 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2141 posts) -

No. Sega and Atari went down that route. We all have seen how bad that turned out.

#8 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (4850 posts) -

COmpetition forces the other console makers to make the best fucking console they can at the time.  I think three consoles work.

#9 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -

@xobballox said:

I don't know if I want it to fail, but I would love it if Nintendo just became a 3rd party developer/hand-held company.

If the Wii U is half as successful as the Wii, you will not get your wish.

#10 Posted by BeachThunder (11260 posts) -

That is a really poorly written sentence =(
 
Also, don't forget the (3)DS.

#11 Posted by Dalai (6876 posts) -

The more Nintendo succeeds, the better the video game industry gets. The same holds true with Microsoft, Sony, and I guess Apple at this point.

#12 Posted by Chaser324 (5955 posts) -

While I might not personally like the direction Nintendo has taken in recent years, I admire them for being willing to take chances with hardware. For better or worse, they're innovators and will continue to influence the market for many years to come regardless of who is on board with them.

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#13 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -

@BeachThunder said:

That is a really poorly written sentence =( Also, don't forget the (3)DS.

Crap, I was wondering if it was worded correctly. I was also wanting to focus on the home console market not handhelds. Oh well, cat's out the bag as they say.

#14 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -

I would like it to fail and have the N64/Gamecube Nintendo back.
 
Nintendo is still deserting the gamers that made them the company they are today, but hey, I'm just as happy with my Xbox if Nintendo keeps making waggling shit and 1-3 games per year that are worth full price.

#15 Posted by SuperCycle (330 posts) -

I don't really want them to fail. I would like a reason to be excited about Nintendo's products again though. Personally I think Nintendo needs some new exclusive IP's they've been making Mario and Zelda games for over 20 years. I can't remember the last time they had something fresh and new. Maybe Epic Mickey, but I don't think that was first party.

#16 Edited by RandomInternetUser (6788 posts) -
@Claude said:

@xobballox said:

I don't know if I want it to fail, but I would love it if Nintendo just became a 3rd party developer/hand-held company.

If the Wii U is half as successful as the Wii, you will not get your wish.

Yeah, but I don't want to just come out and say I want it to fail (And I don't want it to) - seems like a dickish move to me
#17 Posted by Gerhabio (1969 posts) -

I love Nintendo's innovation so NO

#18 Posted by RandomInternetUser (6788 posts) -
@SuperCycle said:
  Maybe Epic Mickey, but I don't think that was first party.
Nope, that was Disney.
#19 Posted by Mikemcn (6874 posts) -

I'd hate to see what Xbox and Sony would do with LESS competition.

#20 Posted by Video_Game_King (34591 posts) -

That sounds kinda mean spirited.

#21 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

That sounds kinda mean spirited.

Have you ever read the comments on these boards about the Wii and the Wii U?

#22 Posted by Aronman789 (2674 posts) -

I would love me some PC Nintendo games, but they won't fail, people will buy that thing like crazy.

#23 Posted by Hailinel (22697 posts) -

No, because I'm not a cock.

#24 Posted by Video_Game_King (34591 posts) -
@Claude said:

@Video_Game_King said:

That sounds kinda mean spirited.

Have you ever read the comments on these boards about the Wii and the Wii U?

I can't remember anything specifically, but the general message I'm getting is that people hate them, right?
#25 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

I don't want anyone to fail. People who want a company to fail are just petty and they need another hobby cus wishing a bunch of people lose their jobs over a fucking hobby is sociopathic.

#26 Edited by Claude (16251 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@Claude said:

@Video_Game_King said:

That sounds kinda mean spirited.

Have you ever read the comments on these boards about the Wii and the Wii U?

I can't remember anything specifically, but the general message I'm getting is that people hate them, right?

So far 21% wish to see it fail. So sad. But I'm reminded that I'm in the majority who wish to see Nintendo carry on.

Edit: 31% wish to see it fail. Bastards.

#27 Posted by sins_of_mosin (1556 posts) -

I don't care for their first part games so blah blah.

#28 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

Honestly, I think they might fail to garner the 3rd party devs to the Wii U like they did with the Wii. I dunno if Nintendo cares for third parties anymore but they should and a failure because of lack of support might change Nintendo mentality of making a console.

Everything I have seen and heard about the new Wii U just leaves me with my hands in the air yelling "WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS BOX TO BE?!?!"

#29 Posted by Hailinel (22697 posts) -

Why does this poll exist, other than to stir the fanboy pot?

#30 Posted by august (3811 posts) -

Naw.

#31 Posted by Video_Game_King (34591 posts) -
@Hailinel said:

Why does this poll exist, other than to stir the fanboy pot?

Because Claude loves polls, yet is in a confusing love/hate relationship with his goddamn Wii? Personally, I'm in a "very good friends" relationship.
#32 Posted by Ragdrazi (2283 posts) -
@Hailinel: It's a valid question. Nintendo has made a major misstep here at a critical moment.
#33 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

Why does this poll exist, other than to stir the fanboy pot?

@Video_Game_King said:

@Hailinel said:

Why does this poll exist, other than to stir the fanboy pot?

Because Claude loves polls, yet is in a confusing love/hate relationship with his goddamn Wii? Personally, I'm in a "very good friends" relationship.

@Ragdrazi said:

@Hailinel: It's a valid question. Nintendo has made a major misstep here at a critical moment.

I was just curious to see where Giant Bomb stands when it comes to the Wii U and Nintendo in general. If fanboys wish to defend or destroy, that's beyond my control. This is just a poll.

#34 Edited by Aus_azn (2224 posts) -

In my eyes, Nintendo is nothing but a handheld company at this point.
 
@xobballox said:

I don't know if I want it to fail, but I would love it if Nintendo just became a 3rd party developer/hand-held company.

#35 Posted by Hailinel (22697 posts) -

@Ragdrazi said:

@Hailinel: It's a valid question. Nintendo has made a major misstep here at a critical moment.

What misstep is that?

#36 Edited by Ragdrazi (2283 posts) -

I think the real question is would a third party Nintendo future be good for the industry. Wii aside, I think Nintendo has been operating like a third party developer for decades now, so on that end having a broader market for the latest Zelda game would probably be good for everyone. I personally do not like the Wii. I think it's forced "innovation" that has taken the industry to a real bad place. Now that the trendiness of the Wii has dried up, I think they either need to push real innovation with their new box, or make room for a fresh company.

#37 Posted by Video_Game_King (34591 posts) -
@Hailinel said:

@Ragdrazi said:

@Hailinel: It's a valid question. Nintendo has made a major misstep here at a critical moment.

What misstep is that?

Not sure, but as of late, I'd say it's "starting off consoles with absolutely zero games that interest me." That's as close as I can get.
#38 Posted by Jazzycola (662 posts) -

For some reason when I first read the topic title I thought you meant that the Wii U should fail in order for them to get more third party support. But to answer the actual question. I wouldn't want to see them fail but I would like them to just be a 3rd party studio and make Mario and Starfox games for the other consoles. Reason being is I have no reason to buy a Wii due to the real lack in any games that interest me. The Wii has SMG and SMG2 at the moment but that's not enough for me to actually buy a $150 system for. But I don't really think that my general disinterest in Nintendo products should make it impossible for other people to get Nintendo products.

#39 Posted by laserbolts (5309 posts) -

Nah whenever something succeeds in the video game world it's a good thing imo.

#40 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -

@Ragdrazi said:

I think the real question is would a third party Nintendo future be good for the industry. Wii aside, I think Nintendo has been operating like a third party developer for decades now, so on that end having a broader market for the latest Zelda game would probably be good for everyone. I personally do not like the Wii. I think it's forced "innovation" that has taken the industry to a real bad place. Now that the trendiness of the Wii has dried up, I think they either need to push real innovation with their new box, or make room for a fresh company.

How has the trendiness dried up when Microsoft and Sony just released their motion devises last year?

#41 Posted by DystopiaX (5241 posts) -

No cause they do cool shit with their consoles. I don't use my wii but I have to admit that some of the things Nintendo's done with it is great; the problem is getting third parties to give enough shits to actually make software that does more than waggle or TAP FASTER. It's more a PR/intercompany problem they have, not a hardware one.

#42 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (4850 posts) -
@Video_Game_King said:
@Hailinel said:

@Ragdrazi said:

@Hailinel: It's a valid question. Nintendo has made a major misstep here at a critical moment.

What misstep is that?

Not sure, but as of late, I'd say it's "starting off consoles with absolutely zero games that interest me." That's as close as I can get.
Don't all consoles do that or are you not talking about launch titles?
#43 Posted by Video_Game_King (34591 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos
 
They do? While I obviously can't comment on that (there aren't a lot of consoles launching right now, and using any historical examples would be a bit biased), I'm just not seeing a lot of interesting games on either system. While the WiiU (do I put a space between Wii and U?) is just launch titles now, the 3DS has been out a while, and I haven't exactly seen the "I MUST FUCKING HAVE THIS" game yet. Then again, there may be some bias there, too, since I tried out the 3DS a few times and didn't really like the 3D (it's exactly the opposite of how it's advertised (that in itself isn't entirely bad)).
#44 Posted by Hailinel (22697 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@SethPhotopoulos: They do? While I obviously can't comment on that (there aren't a lot of consoles launching right now, and using any historical examples would be a bit biased), I'm just not seeing a lot of interesting games on either system. While the WiiU (do I put a space between Wii and U?) is just launch titles now, the 3DS has been out a while, and I haven't exactly seen the "I MUST FUCKING HAVE THIS" game yet. Then again, there may be some bias there, too, since I tried out the 3DS a few times and didn't really like the 3D (it's exactly the opposite of how it's advertised (that in itself isn't entirely bad)).

When was the last time a console launched with games of that nature? It's a rare day that the vast majority of a launch line-up isn't mediocre.

#45 Edited by Ragdrazi (2283 posts) -
@Claude said:

@Ragdrazi said:

I think the real question is would a third party Nintendo future be good for the industry. Wii aside, I think Nintendo has been operating like a third party developer for decades now, so on that end having a broader market for the latest Zelda game would probably be good for everyone. I personally do not like the Wii. I think it's forced "innovation" that has taken the industry to a real bad place. Now that the trendiness of the Wii has dried up, I think they either need to push real innovation with their new box, or make room for a fresh company.

How has the trendiness dried up when Microsoft and Sony just released their motion devises last year?

The Wii is done. The market has moved to a bad place of gimmicky motion devices for casual gamers. They wanted the next big thing. Nintendo could have given it to them. Microsoft and Sony's market is going to dry up just like the Wii's did. Nintendo could have kept riding the cash train, but instead they're making just a console. And we have contradictory reports on specs. Well, whatever, if they can push innovation on that console then more power to them. But given the recent history of the industry and of Nintendo themselves that doesn't seem like it's going to be very easy for them.
#46 Posted by Video_Game_King (34591 posts) -
@Hailinel
 
Damn it. You asked a question I said I can't really answer. Might as well try. Uh...*looks shit up*...the Wii had Twilight Princess/Elebits/Excite Truck (those were cool at the time), and the SNES had a small-yet-strong lineup, and...OH! Dreamcast! Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, Power Stone! That's pretty strong! And that's pretty much it. I told you it was unanswerable :P.
#47 Posted by Hailinel (22697 posts) -

@Ragdrazi said:

@Claude said:

@Ragdrazi said:

I think the real question is would a third party Nintendo future be good for the industry. Wii aside, I think Nintendo has been operating like a third party developer for decades now, so on that end having a broader market for the latest Zelda game would probably be good for everyone. I personally do not like the Wii. I think it's forced "innovation" that has taken the industry to a real bad place. Now that the trendiness of the Wii has dried up, I think they either need to push real innovation with their new box, or make room for a fresh company.

How has the trendiness dried up when Microsoft and Sony just released their motion devises last year?

The Wii is done. The market has moved to a bad place of gimmicky motion devices for casual gamers. They wanted the next big thing. Nintendo could have given it to them. Microsoft and Sony's market is going to dry up just like the Wii's did. Nintendo could have kept riding the cash train, but instead they're making just a console. Now, if they can push innovation on that console then more power to them. But given the recent history of the industry and of Nintendo themselves that doesn't seem like it's going to be very easy for them.

Did you not pay attention to their E3 presentation? It was focused more on the new controller concept than on the console itself, and the controller ain't exactly a slouch in the potential innovation department.

You can claim that it was gimmicky all you want, but the Wii proved to be a major boon for Nintendo this generation, which is something that they needed after the GameCube was left in the dust. Sure, it may have petered out, but its performance utterly embarrassed Microsoft and Sony, who started off the generation completely dismissive of the Wii only to be inclined to find their own motion control solutions.

#48 Edited by Ragdrazi (2283 posts) -
@Hailinel said:

@Ragdrazi said:

@Claude said:

@Ragdrazi said:

I think the real question is would a third party Nintendo future be good for the industry. Wii aside, I think Nintendo has been operating like a third party developer for decades now, so on that end having a broader market for the latest Zelda game would probably be good for everyone. I personally do not like the Wii. I think it's forced "innovation" that has taken the industry to a real bad place. Now that the trendiness of the Wii has dried up, I think they either need to push real innovation with their new box, or make room for a fresh company.

How has the trendiness dried up when Microsoft and Sony just released their motion devises last year?

The Wii is done. The market has moved to a bad place of gimmicky motion devices for casual gamers. They wanted the next big thing. Nintendo could have given it to them. Microsoft and Sony's market is going to dry up just like the Wii's did. Nintendo could have kept riding the cash train, but instead they're making just a console. Now, if they can push innovation on that console then more power to them. But given the recent history of the industry and of Nintendo themselves that doesn't seem like it's going to be very easy for them.

Did you not pay attention to their E3 presentation? It was focused more on the new controller concept than on the console itself, and the controller ain't exactly a slouch in the potential innovation department.

You can claim that it was gimmicky all you want, but the Wii proved to be a major boon for Nintendo this generation, which is something that they needed after the GameCube was left in the dust. Sure, it may have petered out, but its performance utterly embarrassed Microsoft and Sony, who started off the generation completely dismissive of the Wii only to be inclined to find their own motion control solutions.

Moving your body around connected with a new causal market no one knew was there. What new market are they looking to find with touch screens? It doesn't seem like a gimmick. It seems like an idea that is completely DOA.
 
EDIT: Long story short, jumping off the cash train when the market they themselves created is looking for the Wii 2 was a misstep. This console seems aimed at us. Us here on this message board. And we're going to have to wait for the specs to know if it's going to be worth it. But outside of a faked report, it doesn't sound encouraging.
#49 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (4850 posts) -
@Ragdrazi said:
@Claude said:

@Ragdrazi said:

I think the real question is would a third party Nintendo future be good for the industry. Wii aside, I think Nintendo has been operating like a third party developer for decades now, so on that end having a broader market for the latest Zelda game would probably be good for everyone. I personally do not like the Wii. I think it's forced "innovation" that has taken the industry to a real bad place. Now that the trendiness of the Wii has dried up, I think they either need to push real innovation with their new box, or make room for a fresh company.

How has the trendiness dried up when Microsoft and Sony just released their motion devises last year?

The Wii is done. The market has moved to a bad place of gimmicky motion devices for casual gamers. They wanted the next big thing. Nintendo could have given it to them. Microsoft and Sony's market is going to dry up just like the Wii's did. Nintendo could have kept riding the cash train, but instead they're making just a console. Now, if they can push innovation on that console then more power to them. But given the recent history of the industry and of Nintendo themselves that doesn't seem like it's going to be very easy for them.
I think Nintendo is trying to make innovative things but they don't work so they seemed forced.  That's what sucks about innovation, if it works people will see it as truly innovative and if it doesn't it just seems forced.
#50 Posted by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -

It seems dickish to actively want something to fail. I never want companies to fail. Unless of course, they're killing kittens in mass slaughter houses just for the hell of it, or something like that. Then by all means, fail away. And with Nintendo, they're never afraid to try new things. And while some people bitch and complain about that, I happen to love it. I'm excited to see what the Wii U can do.

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