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    EA's Origin Service Is Basically Spyware, According to Origin's EULA

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    #101  Edited By EgoCheck616

    @ProfessorEss said:

    @dudeglove said:

    This is amazing. First GB's news was dominated by the PSN disaster, now it's EA being all round dicks. Who's next?

    UbiSoft is primed and ready.
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    #102  Edited By forkboy
    @Oddsor: Take it you are planning on moving away from PC gaming in the future.  Because I think Steam & Steam like platforms are basically the future for PC gaming, especially with the increasing lack of shelf space in stores for PC games.
     
    I'll always love Paradox Interactive's DRM policy.  You need to register a code on their forum to get access to the support forum for patches & anything like that.  But otherwise you install it & you play it.  No need of a disc, no always-online restrictions, it's wonderful & painless.
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    #103  Edited By DarthB

    that's pretty shitty of them. change it now ea. since they probably won't and i only use steam i guess it won't matter for me. my pc is pretty nice, but not battlefield 3 looking better than consoles nice. so it doesn't matter to me yet.

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    #104  Edited By zedzero

    How do i op out of the steam Info sharing system?  do i need to re-install?
     
    Is this just on EA origin store? or is it for all EA products?

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    #105  Edited By jkuc316

    Uninstalled Origin. You'll never know my secret!!
     
    Not even free ME2 Pc is worth this...

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    #106  Edited By benu302000

    EA. Im all set to buy BF3. 2 things though. I don't buy pc games on disc and not on origin. If only there was some third option....

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    #107  Edited By gbrading

    Woah. Remind me not to install Origin. Actually, no need since I wasn't going to anyway.

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    #108  Edited By bybeach

    ryanwho on Aug. 24, 2011 at 12:01 p.m. @CrossTheAtlantic said: @ryanwho said: "Someone defend this as good business practice lol You don't get it. They're selling that information so they can better cater to you! Don't you want all your internet traffic integrated into targeted ads? This is the future!" "Man I never get it." ------------------ This is interesting to me, because lately I have been getting these targeted ads when I do the net. I knew something was wrong when I had bought at an online irrigation store(of all things!) and started seeing adsa for them next to news articles. It was a computer parts store featuring the Graphics card I was researching and bought, before.

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    #109  Edited By big_jon

    It's pretty dumb that EA won't just submit to steam, this shit is getting stupid. Get with it you dip shits, your slander on the COD franchise and this Origin garbage both come off as pretty unprofessional to me.

    I was actually starting to like EA before all this crap, but hey, at least they're still a step up from Activision. I don't support Activision by buying their games, I dislike them that much.

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    #110  Edited By TheChaos
    @Vegsen said:

    Fuck off, EA.

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    #111  Edited By RVonE

    Needs more corporate bullshit.

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    #112  Edited By Bumpton
    @Sword5 said:
    Stop buying EA games. Less people do it every year, help the trend.
    No. Mass Effect 3 isn't out yet.
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    #113  Edited By lockwoodx

    Origin is a failure before it even started.

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    #114  Edited By koshka

    @nick_verissimo: I have a BF3 clan.

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    #115  Edited By HaroldoNVU

    I've been supportive of most of EA's decision concerning Origin, but that is just filthy. Come on, Electronic Arts, address this. Quickly.

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    #116  Edited By ch3burashka

    How ironic that Brad was waxing poetic, at least in the hypothetical sense, on how he was excited to see where Origin would go, if it would be a true Steam competitor. It's not even in the same category as Steam. Go fuck yourself, EA. Surely there has to be a better way for you to make money.

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    #117  Edited By Amducious

    Farewell EA. Never again will any of your software find its way onto any of my PC's, now or in the future.

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    #118  Edited By lumberingjackal

    like the girl/guy who goes out on one date with someone of the opposite sex, goes through your wallet while you're going to the bathroom and then goes directly to Facebook and tells EVERYONE!!!

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    #119  Edited By koolaid

    Three businesses care about making money. I know this is all very shocking and upsetting to all of us.

    Why is Alex reporting this? I thought he was on screened and this was Patrick's job.

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    #120  Edited By Chris2KLee

    You know I didn't mind the minor annoyance of having to have Origin going to play BF3, but this actually has me considering the console option. I just don't see how they can win when every move they make with this program seems to screw over the customer.

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    #121  Edited By Funkydupe

    Queue Samuel L. Jackson: 
     
    "TAKE MY BLOOD! HERE IT IS! TAKE IT!"

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    #122  Edited By Wuddel

    Yeah, it apparently really was a good idea to have a separate computer for games. Probably you want to wipe even that from time to time.

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    @css_switchfoot said:

    and pirates come to the rescue once again

    i hope if they do patch in the opt-out feature that some tech-savvy dude checks to make sure its actually not still collecting information.

    Again? Yeah, no.
    They also haven't 'rescued' anything to begin with.
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    #124  Edited By JackG100

    Well, my interest in BF3 certainly plummeted.

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    #125  Edited By Nettacki

    I was all "meh" until I read the part about selling our information to third parties as they see fit. Then I got pissed. Really pissed.

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    #126  Edited By Funkydupe
    @Wuddel said:
    Yeah, it apparently really was a good idea to have a separate computer for games. Probably you want to wipe even that from time to time.
    Why, are you doing something illegal? ARE YOU!? PUNK!?
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    #127  Edited By FacestabMan

    I cannot see why people are surprised about this, to be completely honest.

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    #128  Edited By jayjonesjunior
    @miracleboy said:

    Good thing I'm getting it on Xbox then.

    With all the shit they are doing to PC users i'm seriously thinking of boycotting it in every platform.
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    #129  Edited By Funkydupe
    @FacestabMan said:
    I cannot see why people are surprised about this, to be completely honest.
    Companies gathering data from users. Its unheard of! Oh wait...
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    #130  Edited By Funkofages

    This article is fair and well written. I'm glad no one resorted to sensationalistic headli...

    Oh it's Alex.

    Carry on, Internet.

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    #131  Edited By MrKlorox

    Yawn. Internet, you've been taking shit like this for YEARS from all over the place. Don't act like this is something new. You're just looking for reasons to enjoy raging, of which there are plenty already.

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    #132  Edited By Nettacki
    @Funkydupe said:
    @FacestabMan said:
    I cannot see why people are surprised about this, to be completely honest.
    Companies gathering data from users. Its unheard of! Oh wait...
    Everyone's getting angry about the "selling it to third parties" thing, along with the "gathering data from users" thing.
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    #133  Edited By Ravenlight
    @PrimeSynergy said:

    Bobby Kotick is spinnin sick brodies in solid platinum Bugatti out in the Activision parking lot right now. Way to go EA.

    The accurately sums up my perception of EA.
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    #134  Edited By Funkydupe
    @Nettacki: The way I see it empirical data gathering isn't illegal. It isn't done to reveal you as a criminal or anything, stats can be useful for a lot of things. It can even help improve things for the consumer down the road.
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    #135  Edited By QKT

    welp, that's some ugly head rearing.

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    #136  Edited By chickdigger802

    doesn't everybody on the internets do something like this?

    Google does, facebook does. Your antivirus software does.

    Just don't give a crap.

    I'm not ashamed at staring at Miranda's ass (not like there is anything else to stare at during dialogue, bioware are pervs).

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    #137  Edited By McDunkin

    Wow that's super gross and I just realized that I've already agreed to it when they were giving out free copies of Mass Effect 2 on the PC. There is no UGH big enough for this bullshit.

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    #138  Edited By damnboyadvance
    @KoolAid said:

    Three businesses care about making money. I know this is all very shocking and upsetting to all of us.

    Why is Alex reporting this? I thought he was on screened and this was Patrick's job.

    He's been writing articles on Giant Bomb, as well.
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    #139  Edited By FuzzYLemoN

    Fucking Christ, I DO NOT want this bullshit just to play BF3. You're not making any friends here, EA.

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    #140  Edited By tourgen

    Well use a full virtual machine or something like SandBoxee EA no longer gets access to your computer except for copies of the files it needs.  yeah it's a waste of HD space but blame EA for that.

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    #141  Edited By Xeridae

    People are making a huge deal out of this right now so hopefully my comments will put this into perspective.
     

    The section in question:

    You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. 

    All this means is that they can use the information they obtain to provide software updates, dynamic content, product support and online services like Battlefield 3 multiplayer for example. BFD.
     


    EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION.

     
    This just means that they can  also use this information to help market their products and SHARE it with third party service providers like DICE without identifying your personal information so that means they can't give out your IP or your computer name or username or anything else that would identify you. It says absolutely nothing about selling this information.
     
    This needs to be put into the proper perspective. Did we all lose our reading comprehension overnight? EA can look at whatever the hell they want on my computer as far as I am concerned as long as it is used in the above context. If it is not then they will be in breach of their own EULA and I'll sue their asses. Until then though, this is completely harmless and I would not encourage any of my fellow gamers to give into this fear mongering BS.
     
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    #142  Edited By morden2261

    I'm going to have to have this installed because I'm getting The Old Republic so this is really pissing me off...

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    #143  Edited By Nettacki
    @FuzzYLemoN: Look closer on the EULA:
     
    http://legal.ea.com/legal/legal.jsp?language=en
     
    I never saw the word "sell" anywhere there, at least not in the context of personal information to third parties. I only saw "share," which is still pretty bad, but nothing that hasn't been done before by other companies.
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    #144  Edited By tourgen

    incidentally we need an honest judge to crack down on EULAs - contracts no one actually signs or agrees to before a purchase should not be legal.  also their widespread use to push abusive terms onto the customer without compensating them or even showing a shred of intent to negotiate terms is pretty much the definition of an unenforceable (illegal) contract.

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    #145  Edited By Nettacki

    Uh Alex? I think we should keep @Xeridae's comment in mind.

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    #146  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

    I like Alex articles. He tells it like it is.

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    #147  Edited By Tennmuerti

    Since I still want to play BF3.

    I will simply deny Origins internet access outside of the little time it needs to verify the game.

    It still sucks and is distasteful, but hey one of the reasons to game on the PC at all is the ability to control your own operating environment.

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    #148  Edited By Funkydupe
    @PrivateIronTFU said:
    I like Alex articles. He tells it like it is.
    You're right.  
     
    " The reason for all of this is for the usual "marketing purposes" and "to improve our products and services" nonsense, but the EULA also states that EA will happily sell your information to any third parties it sees fit." 
     
    You know, EA have the tools to collect empirical data, and they distribute that to companies who make use of those statistics for a fee. This is practiced by so many companies and have been for so long that this is only brought up because it happens to be EA this time.
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    #149  Edited By wadtomaton

    If this doesn't change I'm gonna regrettably have to cancel my TOR preorder :/

    If it was just anonymous usage statistics, that's fine, but personal information? Come on EA, fucking seriously?

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    #150  Edited By Funkydupe
    @demonknightinuyasha said:

    If this doesn't change I'm gonna regrettably have to cancel my TOR preorder :/

    If it was just anonymous usage statistics, that's fine, but personal information? Come on EA, fucking seriously?

    Its your call but Stephen Reid said this:  " You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for Star Wars: The Old Republic."

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