Embarking on PC Creation; Need assistance with my shopping list

#1 Edited by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

Hey guys, I threw this list together on newegg and I'm in the completely nascent stages of computer-hardware-building, so cut me a little slack if this list is positively stupid or not:

What I need to know is:

What can I cut down on in price so that I can have more money to go toward a monitor? I'm only interested in playing most of today's games at mid-high settings. I'm not completely sure on what I need. Any recommendations for a decent monitor would be appreciated.

Will this computer be capable of connecting to wi-fi?

Do I actually have everything I need?

updated:

DVD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247

Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GFX Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161402

Power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116506

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

#2 Edited by Inkerman (1448 posts) -

Err, where's your motherboard? And, unless you get a motherboard with a built in wifi adapter (and I'm not sure they exist, and if they do, if they're worth the price), you'll need to get a separate wifi adapter. In that regard, I can say definitely do not be stingy, get a good quality one. You also won't need an aftermarket cooler and thermal paste unless you're planning to overclock. Also, I would buy an SSD. Even just a smaller 64 GB one, and install your OS on that.

#3 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@Inkerman said:

Err, where's your motherboard? And, unless you get a motherboard with a built in wifi adapter (and I'm not sure they exist, and if they do, if they're worth the price), you'll need to get a separate wifi adapter. In that regard, I can say definitely do not be stingy, get a good quality one. You also won't need an aftermarket cooler and thermal paste unless you're planning to overclock. Also, I would buy an SSD. Even just a smaller 64 GB one, and install your OS on that.

I was going off of the suggested shopping list in the other thread, oops. Do you have any suggestions?

#4 Edited by markini6 (444 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle: For that processor and graphics card, you want a Z77 motherboard. The Gigabyte D3H is a good and cheap option, getting good reviews, and it has SATA 3 so it will take full advantage of that HDD. I've got a 7870 myself (Gigabyte windforce 3X OC) and it's a great card. In terms of your processor, you could save an extra $30-50 and go for the cheaper i5 3450, which Tom's Hardware recommend for all those not interested in OC'ing their CPU, with minimal difference between it and the 3570K. Oh, and just buy a USB wifi dongle, around $15-20 for a good functional one.

#5 Posted by Inkerman (1448 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@Inkerman said:

Err, where's your motherboard? And, unless you get a motherboard with a built in wifi adapter (and I'm not sure they exist, and if they do, if they're worth the price), you'll need to get a separate wifi adapter. In that regard, I can say definitely do not be stingy, get a good quality one. You also won't need an aftermarket cooler and thermal paste unless you're planning to overclock. Also, I would buy an SSD. Even just a smaller 64 GB one, and install your OS on that.

I was going off of the suggested shopping list in the other thread, oops. Do you have any suggestions?

These are the guys I go off, Tom's Hardware, they even have recommended builds just based on your budget. If you're looking for specific parts, they also do roundups almost every month.

#6 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

Alright, so I compiled this but still need help on cutting down the price:

Does anyone have any suggestions? (The case is in a separate shipping list, but I'm getting the Antec Nine Hundred.)

#7 Posted by Sackmanjones (4610 posts) -

Honestly I'm running with an amd processor and it works excellent and was less than half the price of the intel one you have. Yes intel is better but if your cutting the price you can get a good amd one for much cheaper. Also you can go with a cheaper case and put fans in yourself. Won't look as cool I guess

#8 Posted by Hunkulese (2538 posts) -
@A_Cute_Squirtle Why do you need 2 power supplies?
#9 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@Hunkulese said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle Why do you need 2 power supplies?

That was a mistake, and I've since amended it.

#10 Posted by believer258 (11063 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

Alright, so I compiled this but still need help on cutting down the price:

Does anyone have any suggestions? (The case is in a separate shipping list, but I'm getting the Antec Nine Hundred.)

Do you really need a Blu-Ray drive? I'd think that a much cheaper DVD drive would be better since nothing comes on Blu-ray (and probably won't for a while)

Uh... I guess everything else on there checks out but I'd have someone look at that funny graphics card (I'm not too knowledgeable of ATI) and motherboard.

Also, LINKS! Links to what you are buying are much better than blurry pictures.

#11 Posted by me3639 (1608 posts) -

Ask yourself what type of games will you be playing, are you trying to setup for dual card/ dual monitor? Currently from the info we have, you dont need a $300 graphics card or a $200 power supply.

#12 Edited by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

Alright, so I compiled this but still need help on cutting down the price:

Does anyone have any suggestions? (The case is in a separate shipping list, but I'm getting the Antec Nine Hundred.)

Do you really need a Blu-Ray drive? I'd think that a much cheaper DVD drive would be better since nothing comes on Blu-ray (and probably won't for a while)

Uh... I guess everything else on there checks out but I'd have someone look at that funny graphics card (I'm not too knowledgeable of ATI) and motherboard.

Also, LINKS! Links to what you are buying are much better than blurry pictures.

Sorry about that, here's a link to everything:

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161402

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116506'

CD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106451

Do you have a suggestion for another CD drive that's cheaper? A friend help me compile all this stuff, so I've needed help for a lot of this. Thanks to anyone who lends their time/expertise.

And what's funny about the GFX card?

#13 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@me3639 said:

Ask yourself what type of games will you be playing, are you trying to setup for dual card/ dual monitor? Currently from the info we have, you dont need a $300 graphics card or a $200 power supply.

No dual card or dual monitor setup. Currently I don't have a monitor picked out. I'm going to be playing current games, but I'm not too concerned with ultra-performance or the future. I'll probably upgrade in a couple of years, but I wanted a decent set up that can run nice looking games.

#14 Posted by believer258 (11063 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

Alright, so I compiled this but still need help on cutting down the price:

Does anyone have any suggestions? (The case is in a separate shipping list, but I'm getting the Antec Nine Hundred.)

Do you really need a Blu-Ray drive? I'd think that a much cheaper DVD drive would be better since nothing comes on Blu-ray (and probably won't for a while)

Uh... I guess everything else on there checks out but I'd have someone look at that funny graphics card (I'm not too knowledgeable of ATI) and motherboard.

Also, LINKS! Links to what you are buying are much better than blurry pictures.

Sorry about that, here's a link to everything:

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161402

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116506'

CD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106451

Do you have a suggestion for another CD drive that's cheaper? A friend help me compile all this stuff, so I've needed help for a lot of this. Thanks to anyone who lends their time/expertise.

And what's funny about the GFX card?

Well, you went from a $300 graphics card to a $130 one. Peformance isn't going to be as good and you might have to lower some settings here and there to keep up 60FPS, but after reading the reviews that card seems fine.

For a DVD drive, try this; you had a blu-ray drive and that really is not necessary unless you plan on watching Blu-Rays on it.

And on the subject of RAM - I'm all for not blowing it in that department but 4 is a bit too little. Try this instead; 6GB would be fine if you want to go a little lower.

Finally, what's your budget?

#15 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

Alright, so I compiled this but still need help on cutting down the price:

Does anyone have any suggestions? (The case is in a separate shipping list, but I'm getting the Antec Nine Hundred.)

Do you really need a Blu-Ray drive? I'd think that a much cheaper DVD drive would be better since nothing comes on Blu-ray (and probably won't for a while)

Uh... I guess everything else on there checks out but I'd have someone look at that funny graphics card (I'm not too knowledgeable of ATI) and motherboard.

Also, LINKS! Links to what you are buying are much better than blurry pictures.

Sorry about that, here's a link to everything:

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161402

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116506'

CD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106451

Do you have a suggestion for another CD drive that's cheaper? A friend help me compile all this stuff, so I've needed help for a lot of this. Thanks to anyone who lends their time/expertise.

And what's funny about the GFX card?

Well, you went from a $300 graphics card to a $130 one. Peformance isn't going to be as good and you might have to lower some settings here and there to keep up 60FPS, but after reading the reviews that card seems fine.

For a DVD drive, try this; you had a blu-ray drive and that really is not necessary unless you plan on watching Blu-Rays on it.

And on the subject of RAM - I'm all for not blowing it in that department but 4 is a bit too little. Try this instead; 6GB would be fine if you want to go a little lower.

Finally, what's your budget?

My budget is from around 800-900 USD. I grabbed the DVD drive you recommended (Thank you for that) and chose to get this for my RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

The reviews on the card seem fine, but I wonder if I can use the cost I'm saving with that DVD drive and spring for a slightly more expensive card now.

#16 Posted by Samael2138 (217 posts) -

@believer258: Depends on what the pc is used for, primarily. If it's just for gaming, I agree,the Blu-ray drive is kinda pointless. But, if you're going to use it to watch movies, the Blu-ray drive isn't that bad of an idea. I've got one on my new rig, and so far its been worth it.

Then again, I use my pc for everything(gaming, movies, TV, music, etc.....)

#17 Posted by believer258 (11063 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

Alright, so I compiled this but still need help on cutting down the price:

Does anyone have any suggestions? (The case is in a separate shipping list, but I'm getting the Antec Nine Hundred.)

Do you really need a Blu-Ray drive? I'd think that a much cheaper DVD drive would be better since nothing comes on Blu-ray (and probably won't for a while)

Uh... I guess everything else on there checks out but I'd have someone look at that funny graphics card (I'm not too knowledgeable of ATI) and motherboard.

Also, LINKS! Links to what you are buying are much better than blurry pictures.

Sorry about that, here's a link to everything:

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161402

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116506'

CD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106451

Do you have a suggestion for another CD drive that's cheaper? A friend help me compile all this stuff, so I've needed help for a lot of this. Thanks to anyone who lends their time/expertise.

And what's funny about the GFX card?

Well, you went from a $300 graphics card to a $130 one. Peformance isn't going to be as good and you might have to lower some settings here and there to keep up 60FPS, but after reading the reviews that card seems fine.

For a DVD drive, try this; you had a blu-ray drive and that really is not necessary unless you plan on watching Blu-Rays on it.

And on the subject of RAM - I'm all for not blowing it in that department but 4 is a bit too little. Try this instead; 6GB would be fine if you want to go a little lower.

Finally, what's your budget?

My budget is from around 800-900 USD. I grabbed the DVD drive you recommended (Thank you for that) and chose to get this for my RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

The reviews on the card seem fine, but I wonder if I can use the cost I'm saving with that DVD drive and spring for a slightly more expensive card now.

Actually, now I would say stick with that card. Also, where's your case?

#18 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@believer258 said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

Alright, so I compiled this but still need help on cutting down the price:

Does anyone have any suggestions? (The case is in a separate shipping list, but I'm getting the Antec Nine Hundred.)

Do you really need a Blu-Ray drive? I'd think that a much cheaper DVD drive would be better since nothing comes on Blu-ray (and probably won't for a while)

Uh... I guess everything else on there checks out but I'd have someone look at that funny graphics card (I'm not too knowledgeable of ATI) and motherboard.

Also, LINKS! Links to what you are buying are much better than blurry pictures.

Sorry about that, here's a link to everything:

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161402

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139031

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116506'

CD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106451

Do you have a suggestion for another CD drive that's cheaper? A friend help me compile all this stuff, so I've needed help for a lot of this. Thanks to anyone who lends their time/expertise.

And what's funny about the GFX card?

Well, you went from a $300 graphics card to a $130 one. Peformance isn't going to be as good and you might have to lower some settings here and there to keep up 60FPS, but after reading the reviews that card seems fine.

For a DVD drive, try this; you had a blu-ray drive and that really is not necessary unless you plan on watching Blu-Rays on it.

And on the subject of RAM - I'm all for not blowing it in that department but 4 is a bit too little. Try this instead; 6GB would be fine if you want to go a little lower.

Finally, what's your budget?

My budget is from around 800-900 USD. I grabbed the DVD drive you recommended (Thank you for that) and chose to get this for my RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

The reviews on the card seem fine, but I wonder if I can use the cost I'm saving with that DVD drive and spring for a slightly more expensive card now.

Actually, now I would say stick with that card. Also, where's your case?

Here's the case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

#19 Edited by MordeaniisChaos (5730 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Your CPU is overkill, you aren;t going to get jack shit out of a quad core duder. Go for the i3, and you'll be fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 $80 less than the one you have on your list.

If your budget is $800-900 including monitor, I'll try and drum up what I would personally suggest. That GPU is pretty weak, and I wouldn't suggest an ATI, they just have shitty driver support.

  • Monitor: Samsung 21.5" LED (1080p)
  • Case: Anything around the $50 range, you don't need to go crazy with a case unless you need a lot of cooling or a real big case. Anything should do you fine, just go with anything with more than one fan and a built in 500W PSU.
  • Motherboard: Asus P8B75-V USB 3.0 Sata 6Gb/s
  • CPU: Intel i3 3.1GHz Dual Core
  • Memory: Corsais XMS3 2x4GB
  • Hard Drive: Western Digital Blue 500Gb 6Gb/s Sata
  • Video Card: MSI 560GTX-Ti 1GB
  • DVD Drive: The cheapest fucker you can get (about 20 on Newegg). Seriously, just get the cheapest stable drive you can find. It's not tat important and unless you're crazy about ripping music and want some special super awesome drive, you'll be fine. I doubt you'll hardly ever use it beyond installing an OS.
  • Total Cost: About $860-$900.

Your original build is all over the place, don't let your friend help you with things any more. Your CPU was way overkill, a bluray drive is useless if you don't want blurays, your PSU was a good bit more than needed, and you can easily get away with less ugly/cheaper ram. HDD was spot on, but it's pretty much the cheapest thing you can buy from WD, who is certainly the best place to buy a drive from.

The stuff I linked above will even out some of the highs and lows and bring it all into a more reasonable harmony. You're on a budget so it's a bit modest but this should push things just fine at 1080p :) If nothing else, use the CPU I linked, it'll save you some money.

I'm running a very budget system right now, around $500 at the time. Don't worry about a "sexy" case with lots of fans and junk. Just get something basic. When you get to a place where you can afford to build the system you want rather than stick to a careful budget, you can look into something with a million fans and lights and all kinds of cool shit. Maybe invest in some dust filters though, because I don't think even the one you have in mind has any, and those make your PC much easier to maintain and will help the PC last a lot longer. I did some damage to my PC the other day (It's currently not working because the IDE functionality is shot and my secondary IDE is apparently where my Boot files are and windows doesn't really like that...) doing a by the books dusting job, exactly like you're supposed to do em (ie not with a leafblower or air compressor which is unfortunately common these days o.o), but to be fair, I hadn't bothered to clean the damn thing since I bought it like two years ago. Also, it's an excuse to rid myself of IDE once and for all. Still, dust filters for all airflow is a good idea. Most high end cases that I've seen have just come with all the fans nice and dust cover'd up, so don't worry about performance being affected in any real way :3

#20 Posted by AlexW00d (6065 posts) -

You shouldn't be buying a hd7770 for a dedicated gaming PC dude. It won't last very long, and I don't even know if it'll really keep up with current games.

#21 Edited by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

You shouldn't be buying a hd7770 for a dedicated gaming PC dude. It won't last very long, and I don't even know if it'll really keep up with current games.

Do you have any suggestions for a better card?

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Your CPU is overkill, you aren;t going to get jack shit out of a quad core duder. Go for the i3, and you'll be fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 $80 less than the one you have on your list.

If your budget is $800-900 including monitor, I'll try and drum up what I would personally suggest. That GPU is pretty weak, and I wouldn't suggest an ATI, they just have shitty driver support.

Will I really not see that much of a different with an i5? I've been told from everywhere that i5 is the type of CPU I want. Do you have a better GPU in mind? Thanks much for the advice.

#22 Posted by AlexW00d (6065 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Nvidia will be releasing the 660 soon (so the rumours go) and if that's competitively priced, one of those. If not, a HD7870 or so. I dunno US prices atm.

#23 Posted by theMixxer (41 posts) -

Mind if I chime in w/a suggested build?

If you want a little extra horsepower out of your PC and are on Newegg's mailing lists (they email codes out with their emails) then you might take a look at this one (I kept the case and the hard drive as I couldn't find much cheaper):

CPU: i5 3550 $209.99 - $10 w/code EMCNBNA39 = $199.99 (Until 8/13)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116505

Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 $134.99 + $7.87 Ship = $142.86

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

RAM: 8GB (4GB x 2) Samsung RAM $44.99 - $5 w/code EMCNBNA25 = $39.99 (Until 8/15)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096

Hard Drive: WD 500GB HDD $74.99 - $15 w/code EMCNBNA24 = $59.99 (Until 8/15)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Graphics: XFX 7870 $269.99 - $20 w/MIR = $249.99 + Free Deus Ex & Dirt Showdown (AR)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150604

Power Supply: PC P&C 750W 80+ Silver $99.99 - $20 w/MIR = $79.99 (AR) + Free DVD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027

Disc Drive: LG DVD $17.99 - $17.99 w/purchase of above = $0.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247

Case: Antec 900 $96.99 + $12.99 ship = $109.98

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

Monitor: Dell 2312 23" LED 1080p $179.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260062

Subtotal: $1,124.91 (Includes Shipping)

Discount Codes: - $15, $-10, $-5

_____________________________________

Total: $1,094.91 (Excludes Mail-in Rebates)

Mail-In Rebates: -$20, -$20

_____________________________________

Total After Rebates: $1,054.91

This all assumes that: A) You buy all this within the next week or so (for the codes), B) You already have a mouse and keyboard, and C) You don't pay tax on Newegg / Are subscribed to their email blasts (again for the codes). Overall, a really fast machine for under just over $1k.

If you want to save your money you can swing back to the

7770: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127664

and go with a cheaper monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254098

So your new total becomes: $936.92 + $23.09 Shipping = 960.01 - $5, -$10, -$15 Codes = $930.01. Then after the mail-in rebates it's $895.01.

#24 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@theMixxer said:

I appreciated all of that, very much so. I switched out the power supply and GFX card. I think I'm going to keep with the ripjaw RAM and using my smallish HDTV as a monitor until I've gathered enough money to grab one later this fall. Here's the final listing:

Hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150604

Power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027

CD Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116505

case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

I think this all checks out, no?

#25 Posted by theMixxer (41 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Yup. You're gonna have a great machine there!

#26 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@theMixxer said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Yup. You're gonna have a great machine there!

Sorry to bother you once more, but I found this card for around ten dollars more after rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130595

I've seen reviews that state that the EVGA GTX 570 is more bang for your buck, but can anyone say with experience that this is the case?

#27 Posted by theMixxer (41 posts) -

The 570 was a better bang for the buck back when the 7870's were still retailing for $350+. Since the price actually favors the 7870, and considering you're getting a good power supply than you can overclock the GPU with, I'd say get the 7870 hands-down. The extra VRAM (2GB vs 1.28GB) will help down the line too.

Disclosure: I've built 2 systems recently. One jumped from a 560ti 448 Core (basically a 570) to a 7870. The other a 6950 to a 670 (my personal rig). The 7870 runs cooler, performs better, and is currently a great price/performance ratio.

#28 Edited by MordeaniisChaos (5730 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@AlexW00d said:

You shouldn't be buying a hd7770 for a dedicated gaming PC dude. It won't last very long, and I don't even know if it'll really keep up with current games.

Do you have any suggestions for a better card?

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Your CPU is overkill, you aren;t going to get jack shit out of a quad core duder. Go for the i3, and you'll be fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 $80 less than the one you have on your list.

If your budget is $800-900 including monitor, I'll try and drum up what I would personally suggest. That GPU is pretty weak, and I wouldn't suggest an ATI, they just have shitty driver support.

Will I really not see that much of a different with an i5? I've been told from everywhere that i5 is the type of CPU I want. Do you have a better GPU in mind? Thanks much for the advice.

You do not need a quad core, you will NEVER use it. Dude, I'm using a Core 2 Duo running like 2.5GHz. An i3 will do you just fine. CPU's aren't all that important unless you do stuff that uses the CPU hardcore (not games) or get a crazy amount of power elsewhere in the system and need a beastly CPU to keep up with giving out instructions so you don't waste the power elsewhere (ie, SLI setups). Trust me, you don't need an i5. Your processor is the thing you can skimp on as long as you stay in the current naming scheme. The last couple generations of Intel CPUs have been fantastic, and they really really aren't that important for gaming.

Also go back and look at my post again, I edited it to include the build I would suggest.

#29 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@AlexW00d said:

You shouldn't be buying a hd7770 for a dedicated gaming PC dude. It won't last very long, and I don't even know if it'll really keep up with current games.

Do you have any suggestions for a better card?

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Your CPU is overkill, you aren;t going to get jack shit out of a quad core duder. Go for the i3, and you'll be fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 $80 less than the one you have on your list.

If your budget is $800-900 including monitor, I'll try and drum up what I would personally suggest. That GPU is pretty weak, and I wouldn't suggest an ATI, they just have shitty driver support.

Will I really not see that much of a different with an i5? I've been told from everywhere that i5 is the type of CPU I want. Do you have a better GPU in mind? Thanks much for the advice.

You do not need a quad core, you will NEVER use it. Dude, I'm using a Core 2 Duo running like 2.5GHz. An i3 will do you just fine. CPU's aren't all that important unless you do stuff that uses the CPU hardcore (not games) or get a crazy amount of power elsewhere in the system and need a beastly CPU to keep up with giving out instructions so you don't waste the power elsewhere (ie, SLI setups). Trust me, you don't need an i5. Your processor is the thing you can skimp on as long as you stay in the current naming scheme. The last couple generations of Intel CPUs have been fantastic, and they really really aren't that important for gaming.

Also go back and look at my post again, I edited it to include the build I would suggest.

I'm very invested in getting an i5 processor, it's just a matter of whether or not I want the i5-3550. I'm reading that the 3550 only features Intel 2500 graphics, which doesn't handle gaming as well as this processor might: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

#30 Edited by theMixxer (41 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@AlexW00d said:

You shouldn't be buying a hd7770 for a dedicated gaming PC dude. It won't last very long, and I don't even know if it'll really keep up with current games.

Do you have any suggestions for a better card?

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Your CPU is overkill, you aren;t going to get jack shit out of a quad core duder. Go for the i3, and you'll be fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 $80 less than the one you have on your list.

If your budget is $800-900 including monitor, I'll try and drum up what I would personally suggest. That GPU is pretty weak, and I wouldn't suggest an ATI, they just have shitty driver support.

Will I really not see that much of a different with an i5? I've been told from everywhere that i5 is the type of CPU I want. Do you have a better GPU in mind? Thanks much for the advice.

You do not need a quad core, you will NEVER use it. Dude, I'm using a Core 2 Duo running like 2.5GHz. An i3 will do you just fine. CPU's aren't all that important unless you do stuff that uses the CPU hardcore (not games) or get a crazy amount of power elsewhere in the system and need a beastly CPU to keep up with giving out instructions so you don't waste the power elsewhere (ie, SLI setups). Trust me, you don't need an i5. Your processor is the thing you can skimp on as long as you stay in the current naming scheme. The last couple generations of Intel CPUs have been fantastic, and they really really aren't that important for gaming.

Also go back and look at my post again, I edited it to include the build I would suggest.

I'm very invested in getting an i5 processor, it's just a matter of whether or not I want the i5-3550. I'm reading that the 3550 only features Intel 2500 graphics, which doesn't handle gaming as well as this processor might: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

Here's what it comes down to:

The performance difference between the i5 3550 and the i5 3570K is going to be negligible. The specs are nearly identical except for a 100 MHz difference in clock speed (and, in turn, turbo). Where the advantage of the i5 3570k comes into play is that it's unlocked (hence the "K" designator). This means that the multiplier of the CPU is unlocked which means you can overclock much further than a locked CPU. This especially comes in handy as the system ages because you can squeeze extra performance out of the CPU in a few years if you want to avoid upgrading for a bit. These unlocked Intel processors are notoriously easy to overclock and keep stable, so a lot of people buy them over the locked processors. They run cool enough that you can even do some decent overclocking on an air cooler (but definitely NOT on stock Intel HSF - those are crap). The second main difference is the integrated graphics within the two CPU's. The Intel HD 4000 featured in the 3570K is remarkably faster than that of the 3550 with its HD 2500 integrated graphics. Really, though, the only time you'd be using the integrated graphics is on the off chance your graphics card craps out or you are in between graphics cards and still want to play your games. This really shouldn't be a sticking point in your purchasing decision because you are building a performance system with dedicated graphics.

In short: the extra $$$ is worth it for the 3570K if you want the CPU to last you longer. It can be overclocked much easier and further so you can put off upgrading your CPU when the next big thing comes around.

#31 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (664 posts) -

@theMixxer said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle said:

@AlexW00d said:

You shouldn't be buying a hd7770 for a dedicated gaming PC dude. It won't last very long, and I don't even know if it'll really keep up with current games.

Do you have any suggestions for a better card?

@MordeaniisChaos said:

@A_Cute_Squirtle: Your CPU is overkill, you aren;t going to get jack shit out of a quad core duder. Go for the i3, and you'll be fine. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 $80 less than the one you have on your list.

If your budget is $800-900 including monitor, I'll try and drum up what I would personally suggest. That GPU is pretty weak, and I wouldn't suggest an ATI, they just have shitty driver support.

Will I really not see that much of a different with an i5? I've been told from everywhere that i5 is the type of CPU I want. Do you have a better GPU in mind? Thanks much for the advice.

You do not need a quad core, you will NEVER use it. Dude, I'm using a Core 2 Duo running like 2.5GHz. An i3 will do you just fine. CPU's aren't all that important unless you do stuff that uses the CPU hardcore (not games) or get a crazy amount of power elsewhere in the system and need a beastly CPU to keep up with giving out instructions so you don't waste the power elsewhere (ie, SLI setups). Trust me, you don't need an i5. Your processor is the thing you can skimp on as long as you stay in the current naming scheme. The last couple generations of Intel CPUs have been fantastic, and they really really aren't that important for gaming.

Also go back and look at my post again, I edited it to include the build I would suggest.

I'm very invested in getting an i5 processor, it's just a matter of whether or not I want the i5-3550. I'm reading that the 3550 only features Intel 2500 graphics, which doesn't handle gaming as well as this processor might: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

Here's what it comes down to:

The performance difference between the i5 3550 and the i5 3570K is going to be negligible. The specs are nearly identical except for a 100 MHz difference in clock speed (and, in turn, turbo). Where the advantage of the i5 3570k comes into play is that it's unlocked (hence the "K" designator). This means that the multiplier of the CPU is unlocked which means you can overclock much further than a locked CPU. This especially comes in handy as the system ages because you can squeeze extra performance out of the CPU in a few years if you want to avoid upgrading for a bit. These unlocked Intel processors are notoriously easy to overclock and keep stable, so a lot of people buy them over the locked processors. They run cool enough that you can even do some decent overclocking on an air cooler (but definitely NOT on stock Intel HSF - those are crap). The second main difference is the integrated graphics within the two CPU's. The Intel HD 4000 featured in the 3570K is remarkably faster than that of the 3550 with its HD 2500 integrated graphics. Really, though, the only time you'd be using the integrated graphics is on the off chance your graphics card craps out or you are in between graphics cards and still want to play your games. This really shouldn't be a sticking point in your purchasing decision because you are building a performance system with dedicated graphics.

In short: the extra $$$ is worth it for the 3570K if you want the CPU to last you longer. It can be overclocked much easier and further so you can put off upgrading your CPU when the next big thing comes around.

Sounds like 3550 is what I want. Thanks for the assistance.

#32 Edited by Nate (682 posts) -

@A_Cute_Squirtle:

One problem I noticed with your build is you won't be able to use the front USB ports on your case. I got that case (last week) and built my machine only to find out the front USB ports on the Antec Nine Hundred are USB 3.0 only and you'll need a motherboard with a USB 3.0 header (not just usb 3.0 ports on the back by all the ports). For that you are looking at about $130 at least. So, either get a different case, a more expensive motherboard, or get one of these for $5 from Antec. That was my solution. Not ideal, but at least I can use my USB ports in the front of the case now. Granted, they aren't USB 3.0 but I don't have any use for that right now anyway. Very few people do.

Edit: free shipping on that cable, btw.

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