I Pirate games, so what?

#1 Posted by PapaLazarou (711 posts) -

Piracy in my eyes is down to the lack of care developers give to games on the PC and while I will always without fail buy a Valve game off of Steam, I will more than likely pirate a game before buying it. I have been burnt too many times by games which are so damn expensive these days that when I'm only able to afford one game a month or so due to lots of bills and the goverment taking away part of my wage for Tax, I don't care for buying a bad game after reading good reviews and then wasting all that money. Also what I don't get is how many games seem to come out without a good demo and it's like how else am I going to see if I like the game to buy it or not? How am I gonna know if the game runs well on my system because there are so many bad ports like GTA and Saints Row 2 these days?

I think Piracy is just due to the lazyness of developers.

Companies like Blizzard and Valve put the time in to make polished PC titles and their work always pays off for them because they offer great polished games with a great service like Steam or Battle.net that everyone is happy with. However you get these other companies that put in minimal effort and give a bad port and offer bad services like Rockstar social club or Games for Windows Live and expect us to put up with that. I'm sick of trying to play games online with the whole GFWL thing because they always seem to have that same naff server browser setup that makes it impossible to enjoy the online portion. 

So Yes I pirate games but you know what the games I don't buy are because they're bad and that'll teach the company a lesson to make good games, good ports and put the time in and if they don't then I don't wish to see them make PC games ever again.

What I'll always do though is buy the games I think are good to reward the developer! I just wish'd EA would release their games for the UK over Steam.

#2 Posted by RHCPfan24 (8609 posts) -

Is it safe for me to say "inb4lock?"

#3 Posted by Snail (8593 posts) -

Congratz, you are not the only one and all this thread will ever do is start flame wars.

#4 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -

I Pirate games, so what?



So I hope you go to prison?
#5 Posted by TheBeast (1931 posts) -
RHCPfan24 said:
"Is it safe for me to say "inb4lock?""
I'd rather you try to turn it in to to some sort of decent conversation.
If you can't manage that (as with many previous threads on the topic) - then you might be right.
#6 Posted by Weltal (2272 posts) -
PapaLazarou said:

I think Piracy is just due to the lazyness of developers.

No, it's laziness on your part. You don't make enough money to buy the amount of games you think you deserve and refuse to work more to gain the cash to pay for them.
#7 Posted by Jayge_ (10221 posts) -

This thread is original and game-changing.

Seriously. You're saying things that have all been said before. I'm fine with your reasoning- a judge in a music case recently ruled that illegal downloads do not necessarily equate lost sales, so that every single download could not be used separately in court. But I digress.

This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them.

I'm out.

#8 Edited by Discorsi (1390 posts) -

That brought a tear to my eye.   YoU sIr aRe My HeRo.

#9 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -
Jayge said:
"This thread is original and game-changing.

Seriously. You're saying things that have all been said before. I'm fine with your reasoning- a judge in a music case recently ruled that illegal downloads do not necessarily equate lost sales, so that every single download could not be used separately in court. But I digress.

This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them.

I'm out."

Not at all. The gaming industry will go on without him. I'm telling him how little respect he has for the economic system, and that I hope he goes to prison.
#10 Posted by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -
TheBeast said:
"RHCPfan24 said:
"Is it safe for me to say "inb4lock?""
I'd rather you try to turn it in to to some sort of decent conversation.
If you can't manage that (as with many previous threads on the topic) - then you might be right.
"

Oh snap...

Anyway! Don't pirate games, kids. It doesn't make you cool.

:D
#11 Posted by Jayge_ (10221 posts) -
Bellum said:
"Not at all. The gaming industry will go on without him. I'm telling him how little respect he has for the economic system, and that I hope he goes to prison."
What self-respecting person would have respect for an economic system that obviously has no respect for said person itself?
#12 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -

The person who wants to benefit from his labor.

#13 Posted by Karmum (11517 posts) -

You have to put that blame on the developers at least somewhat. Take EA for example, many of their games are easy to pirate. I won't go into detail of what games and how, but they are pretty easy to get without much trouble. Piracy will never end, but it could be managed.

#14 Posted by Jayge_ (10221 posts) -
Bellum said:
"The person who wants to benefit from his labor."
That goes both ways.
#15 Posted by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -
Jayge said:
"Bellum said:
"The person who wants to benefit from his labor."
That goes both ways."

Like a bi-sexual!

Thanks Ted, that WAS the joke.
#16 Posted by Breadfan (6589 posts) -
PapaLazarou said:


What I'll always do though is buy the games I think are good to reward the developer!
Do you want a medal?
#17 Posted by gunswordfist (576 posts) -
Jayge said:
"This thread is original and game-changing.

Seriously. You're saying things that have all been said before. I'm fine with your reasoning- a judge in a music case recently ruled that illegal downloads do not necessarily equate lost sales, so that every single download could not be used separately in court. But I digress.

This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them.

I'm out."
What Jayge said except I'm sticking around.
#18 Posted by Rivix (162 posts) -

Piracy is one of the reasons PC gaming is in a decline. Some developers have said that they choose consoles for this reason. Your not making it any better for PC gaming. 

#19 Posted by Weltal (2272 posts) -
Karmum said:
"You have to put that blame on the developers at least somewhat. Take EA for example, many of their games are easy to pirate. I won't go into detail of what games and how, but they are pretty easy to get without much trouble. Piracy will never end, but it could be managed."
How is it the developer's fault that their game can be pirated? There is no possible way to prevent people from pirating a game.
#20 Posted by Systech (4078 posts) -

Well, uhh... I don't?

#21 Posted by LackLuster (713 posts) -
#22 Posted by reflectionshadow (7 posts) -

yea so what? like i care you pirate games.

#23 Posted by gunswordfist (576 posts) -
Weltal said:
"Karmum said:
"You have to put that blame on the developers at least somewhat. Take EA for example, many of their games are easy to pirate. I won't go into detail of what games and how, but they are pretty easy to get without much trouble. Piracy will never end, but it could be managed."
How is it the developer's fault that their game can be pirated? There is no possible way to prevent people from pirating a game."
More specifically how is it the publisher's fault? EA is a publisher that has COUNTLESS great developers under its wing such as Valve, Crytek, Criterion, EA Redwood Shores (Man did I LOVE James Bond Everything Or Nothing) and DICE.
#24 Posted by Gizmo (5389 posts) -

I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music.

#25 Posted by gunswordfist (576 posts) -
Gizmo said:
"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."
Oh boy. That's like saying you pirate games and not music because execs at companies like EA are overpaid.
#26 Posted by Jayge_ (10221 posts) -
Gizmo said:
"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."
Because the people editing the music, overseeing the art and production, and doing all of the other menial jobs surrounding the recording and production of record albums are all grossly overpaid and living rich, right? If you're going to be a hypocrite, come up with something a little less transparent than that.
#27 Posted by Gizmo (5389 posts) -
gunswordfist said:
"Gizmo said:
"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."
Oh boy. That's like saying you pirate games and not music because execs at companies like EA are overpaid."
Also, there is a lot of difference between something which has taken years to produce and something which lasts for 180 seconds, i'm not paying 79p for 180 seconds of sound.
I did purchase Mothership by Led Zeppelin though, that was totally worth it.
#28 Posted by PapaLazarou (711 posts) -

I'm just making a point that the industry is to blame and not the people who download them.

#29 Posted by Breadfan (6589 posts) -
PapaLazarou said:
"I'm just making a point that the industry is to blame and not the people who download them."
The people who download games are the reason why the industry is suffering, especially regarding the PC market
#30 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -

To blame for what? To blame for their games being pirated, or to blame for their games not selling well? Pirates are most certainly responsible for their own actions, as are the devs. Games that don't sell well generally don't sell well because A) People don't like it B) The budget was unrealistic given the developers ability to sell the game, or C) because nobody knows about it (also in relation to B, if a developer cannot advertise their game, they should plan accordingly).

#31 Edited by gunswordfist (576 posts) -
Jayge said:
"Gizmo said:
"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."
Because the people editing the music, overseeing the art and production, and doing all of the other menial jobs surrounding the recording and production of record albums are all grossly overpaid and living rich, right? If you're going to be a hypocrite, come up with something a little less transparent than that."
Well I wouldn't call him or anyone here a hypocrite but I must say that I personally don't think his reasons are good. It's like vegetarians who eat fish and say fish have lived a good enough life so it's okay to eat them. It looks like we see some of these highly paid people/celebrities as 'fish'.Gizmo said:
"gunswordfist said:
"Gizmo said:
"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."
Oh boy. That's like saying you pirate games and not music because execs at companies like EA are overpaid."
Also, there is a lot of difference between something which has taken years to produce and something which lasts for 180 seconds, i'm not paying 79p for 180 seconds of sound.
I did purchase Mothership by Led Zeppelin though, that was totally worth it."

But it can easily be said that games are outdated faster than any great song. I also guarantee you that people replay music they like more than games they like.
#32 Edited by ArbitraryWater (11588 posts) -

I think we can all learn a lesson from bad educational videos from the early 90s. Edit: Dang. It posted twice.

  

#33 Edited by pause422 (6178 posts) -
PapaLazarou said:
"Piracy in my eyes is down to the lack of care developers give to games on the PC and while I will always without fail buy a Valve game off of Steam, I will more than likely pirate a game before buying it. I have been burnt too many times by games which are so damn expensive these days that when I'm only able to afford one game a month or so due to lots of bills and the goverment taking away part of my wage for Tax, I don't care for buying a bad game after reading good reviews and then wasting all that money. Also what I don't get is how many games seem to come out without a good demo and it's like how else am I going to see if I like the game to buy it or not? How am I gonna know if the game runs well on my system because there are so many bad ports like GTA and Saints Row 2 these days?

I think Piracy is just due to the lazyness of developers.

Companies like Blizzard and Valve put the time in to make polished PC titles and their work always pays off for them because they offer great polished games with a great service like Steam or Battle.net that everyone is happy with. However you get these other companies that put in minimal effort and give a bad port and offer bad services like Rockstar social club or Games for Windows Live and expect us to put up with that. I'm sick of trying to play games online with the whole GFWL thing because they always seem to have that same naff server browser setup that makes it impossible to enjoy the online portion. 

So Yes I pirate games but you know what the games I don't buy are because they're bad and that'll teach the company a lesson to make good games, good ports and put the time in and if they don't then I don't wish to see them make PC games ever again.

What I'll always do though is buy the games I think are good to reward the developer! I just wish'd EA would release their games for the UK over Steam."
Uh no, I definitely won't be happy with Battlenet, not the way its going to happen for SC2 or D3. Charging money to use that is complete bullshit(they've pretty much confirmed this is happening), and for what? To play 2 games online? Yeah, no thanks. I've pirated games before, but mainly ones that are super old or something I wanted to try that I know 100% I really wouldn't like, but people were bitching to try it, example Mount and Blade. The only example of me doing this though recently was completely fine, and if you disagree you're wrong. I went to buy the Starcraft+BroodWar pack on Blizzard.com, for instant download of course, I paid the full price to get them and everything, and it just didn't work. The downloader was fucking up and it just would not work.  I couldn't get a hold of Blizzard at all when it happened so you know what? They already took my 15 bucks for the 2 games, so then I just went and torrented them. So they got their money anyway.

I mostly only accept piracy though, for myself, if a old game can't really be gotten anymore or anywhere else, or emulation of some old old games that you can't get anywhere else either, because in that case you aren't actually hurting anyone by taking it, once no one owns the rights to it anymore. So anyone that ever says shit against that right there, and tries to run a "guilt trip" or "NO ITS NEVER OK, DON'T MAKE EXCUSES", is just someone everyone can openly ignore, because they're morons, there is definitely times when pirating things isn't even pirating things, when no one is getting anythin stolen from them in that case.
#34 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

I pirate games all the time. But I've also got a stack of not pirated XBOX 360 games (like 80 of them) and hundreds of other not pirated games. It's all about moderation baby. Buying stuff off steam is just dumb though. No Box? Whaa?

#35 Posted by Thrawn1 (1340 posts) -

wait...you won't spend the money on a game, and the developer is lazy?

#36 Posted by Absurd (2934 posts) -

Do what you want, I've pirated games before, but whenever I play the game, It feels "dirtier"

#37 Posted by LiquidPrince (15901 posts) -

So it's illegal, that's what.

#38 Posted by Discorsi (1390 posts) -

Well I can ride my bike with no handlebars, no handlebars.

#39 Posted by CreamyGoodness (1086 posts) -

though i do not agree with your morrals of illigicity, i do think you may be on to something. When developers put time and effort into stuff it usualy does not have this issue. although this will probaly be locked because it is in clear violation of the rules.

#40 Posted by RetroIce4 (4392 posts) -

WANNA FIGHT BOUT' IT?!

#41 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -
CreamyGoodness said:
"though i do not agree with your morrals of illigicity, i do think you may be on to something. When developers put time and effort into stuff it usualy does not have this issue. although this will probaly be locked because it is in clear violation of the rules."

"The rules" are what the mods want them to be, when they want them to be. :P
#42 Edited by SmugDarkLoser (4619 posts) -

Don't.  Don't you realize that game developers are real people?  You buying the game directly relates to them keeping their job.

Music is different I'd say as when you buy a record you're essentially supporting record companies with overpaid employees.  You support the actual musician by going to the concerts.
That and the fact that there's really not many people involved in the production of music.
And you know what I've realized about music recently?  Professional music is not better than amateur music.  go to the audio portal of newgrounds for proof

#43 Posted by CreamyGoodness (1086 posts) -
ArbitraryWater said:
"I think we can all learn a lesson from bad educational videos from the early 90s. Edit: Dang. It posted twice.
  
"
and i thought 2 girls one cup was bad
#44 Edited by Azteris (810 posts) -
PapaLazarou said:
"I'm just making a point that the industry is to blame and not the people who download them."
This is my problem. Completely absolving yourself of any possibility of guilt or an immoral conscious and basically just going "NO ITS THEIR FAULT I TAKE THEIR STUFF" is really just lame.

EDIT: Also, your argument is complete shit. Obviously if your downloading it, you have some interest in it. The real reason your downloading is you want to game beyond your economic means, not because the companies don't make the game good enough (your downloading it to play it).
#45 Posted by hidys (1029 posts) -
  
#46 Posted by TomServo (199 posts) -

I think the charges on piraters are exorbitant, I mean honestly people who pirate wouldn't have bought the items anyway so there are no real damages to collect on. I hope that one day we have some sort of system in place wherein there can be wider legal access to content after a certain number of sales so that people who want it bad enough and want to do things legally can buy it in the first year of release and then after that it's fair game.

#47 Edited by Gunner612 (4338 posts) -
Jayge said:
"Gizmo said:
"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."
Because the people editing the music, overseeing the art and production, and doing all of the other menial jobs surrounding the recording and production of record albums are all grossly overpaid and living rich, right? If you're going to be a hypocrite, come up with something a little less transparent than that."
The people that edit/oversee/do menial jobs dont get payed based on how well the record sells, they get payed based on how much they charge.
EDIT: I in now way support piracy of any kind, but music artists do get way over payed for what they do.
#48 Posted by Bellum (2944 posts) -
I think the charges on piraters are exorbitant, I mean honestly people who pirate wouldn't have bought the items anyway


Generally speaking, gamers will find a way to play games. I will say, though, that the majority of Pirates are likely kids, who are self-centered animals with no sense of worth, or people who live in countries where games are extremely expensive or unavailable. I'm just pulling that out of my ass, mind, I really have no idea.

I hope that one day we have some sort of system in place wherein there can be wider legal access to content after a certain number of sales so that people who want it bad enough and want to do things legally can buy it in the first year of release and then after that it's fair game.

Why should you be entitled to something someone worked hard on just a year after release? Why should the developers be forced to give up their rights to their product?
#49 Posted by Origina1Penguin (3500 posts) -

Criminals often try to justify their actions.

#50 Posted by TheJadeAngel (147 posts) -

Quick someone log the IP's of those admitting it and send them in to the appropriate authority .   Fucking Theives .

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