"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

"I'm just making a point that the industry is to blame and not the people who download them."

"I think we can all learn a lesson from bad educational videos from the early 90s. Edit: Dang. It posted twice.
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Is it really possible for developers to make their games unhackable? 

"Piracy..."

I never pirate games, I buy the pirated games. how that counts?

I don't pirate games, I think those that do frequently are cheap ass fucks who are ultimately aiding the demise of some developers, and the quality of games we see when returns are heavily effected and budgets decrease. Those involved with piracy even at the lowest level impact the industry badly, to say they do not have a role in doing so is complete utter BS.

World Of Goo recently suffered a 90% piracy rate, and for a small developer like 2DBoy that's obviously terrible. So much hard work goes into the production of games only for the idiots to steal what has been laboured heavily upon. These are very same who also complain about secureROM consistently. It's ironic because it's due to these very idiots that SecureRom exists in it's evil form.

"Jayge said:

"Gizmo said:

"I pirate music, I do NOT pirate games. Game developers are real people, they have families and kids to feed, artists are grossly over-paid and are not suffering from my lack of purchasing their music."

Because the people editing the music, overseeing the art and production, and doing all of the other menial jobs surrounding the recording and production of record albums are all grossly overpaid and living rich, right? If you're going to be a hypocrite, come up with something a little less transparent than that."

The people that edit/oversee/do menial jobs dont get payed based on how well the record sells, they get payed based on how much they charge.
EDIT: I in now way support piracy of any kind, but music artists do get way over payed for what they do."

Wait, so you pirate games because you're afraid you'll waste money on a bad game?

looks left and right
whispers

I'm pirating the Voltron theme song

shhhhhhh

"looks left and right
whispers

I'm pirating the Voltron theme song

shhhhhhh"

I can sort of relate to this. I don't particularly care about the music industry, so I don't feel bad about pirating music. I do care about the gaming industry, so I never pirate games. If you don't care about the gaming industry, I can see why you wouldn't mind pirating games.

I pray to Allah that you go to jail and get ass raped by someone w/ herpes.

you're bad

I don't mind people downloading games to try it out...it's like a free rental.. but... if you did enjoy the game, then go out and buy it.. support the companies that puts out good games.

"Have a read at what's being broken. If you don't like the bad games so much, why the hell are you even playing them in the first place? It's dicks like you who think that piracy is just the modern thing to do, and that it is acceptable."

Piracy is wrong, if you cant afford a game or dont want to take a risk buying it then you dont have it, simple really. However, it is partly the publishers fault as they are just giving more and more excuses for people to pirate there games with companies like EA and Ubisoft (though they did right on PoP) placing unreason able DRM on there products, resulting in more piracy as people feel they can justify it. Which obviously the wrong why to go about it, dont pirate the game, just dont buy games with excessive DRM on it, as by pirating it you are giving publishers that use DRM an excuse to use more of it.

"This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them."

I like topics like these where people's practices and morals are challenged, so I'll throw my 2 cents in.

As we all know, PC gaming is not great these days even though there are still some great PC games coming out every year.  Now I am a mixed bag when it comes to "Should I pirate or not".  Based solely on the law, they say "Don't do it" and more or less that is fair.  But what isn't fair is the lack of demos for games in general today, or having to purchase or preorder said games or other games just to get a demo or even a beta of a game you want.  The whole "Try before you buy" trend seems to have reduced a lot as well as some people have said, where we cannot try a lot of games to see if we want them or not. Some are not phased by this, mainly due to the fact that either they are very knowledgable about the games themselves beforehand, or have a lot of money to spend. This is not the case with a lot of people worldwide however.

Regardless of what medium it's available in, developers should put an effort into providing a demo for every standard full price game.  Exceptions can be made for cheaper games because they are usually smaller in content and you pretty much know what you'll get with them most of the time.  But when forking over money equivalent to a full priced game wherever in the world, consumers want reassurance that it aint garbage.  Due to the lack of reassurance, people often head to pirate the games themselves in order to try it out (especially in PC games so they know if they can even run it properly or not.  People didn't expect GTA4 to be so full of bugs now).  In that sense the developers are to blame and piracy is their just punishment. But...

...this could only hold true if not for the sin the cautios consumer had commited at the same time.  If they tried it out and chose to buy it after all, no worries. But if they try to cheat this and then play the whole single-player portion for free (multi-player is usually unavailable for pirated games) and repeat this offense on many other games.  So in this context the offending consumers are to blame.

Unfortunately I don't have an answer for this like everyone else (If I did, I'd make a lot of money selling the method as the whole industry seriously needs a solution), but hopefully you can understand my reasoning for why piracy can be seen as a good alternative to a demo when the developers fail to reassure the consumer, whilst piracy can be bad when consumers abuse this major exploit that collectively hurts the industry.  I just hope developers someday offer a lot more demos, as I'm not buying starcraft 2 as a whole unless they can prove to me that a whole full-price game's worth of just 1 faction single-player campaign can be fun, as multiplayer is just an extra.  And before people say "but developers do have demos, like that crysis demo and the WoW trial and..." let it be clear that im talking about developers in a "collective" fashion, and not pointing at just the main players of the gaming industry.  I would love to hear any feedback but be mature about it please?

You're ruining this industry, this is how I feel. I pirate music, I can acknowledge that I'm killing the music business, however. FESS UP.

"I pray to Allah that you go to jail and get ass raped by someone w/ herpes."

pirating games is bad mkay. 

Pirating has some positive sides. For example, there are certain games in which you can no longer buy in the market. Old games that are faced out of the market such as PS1 games, even if you try to buy it second hand, it will still be a hassle. But thanks to pirating, we can now enjoy games from the past.

As I see it, the difference between pirating music and games is that musicians make most of there money by performing their music publicly, to a paying audience.  Game developers do not have this option.  Also, music is broadcast for free - to listen to.  Consequently, I figure that that music is now a public domain.  Having said that, it is still wrong to pirate it, but I think of it as an extremely low level crime.  Pirating for profit - that is the real crime and should be dealt with severely.

What is that I hear?

Is it the MPAA????

What about people who can't buy a game. myself for an instance, where I live, there are plenty of Entertainments stores selling Video Games, but it's not actually the company Disks they are selling. let me explain the schedule, there are people in the capitol who download new games from P2P networks and Warez forums, then, they give it to other guys who burn downloaded games into disks, then send it over the stores in the country. no classification and very very cheap. now what? companies don't ship their games here, means they don't count you as human being. it's not fair.

It means they don't expect to make enough of a profit there to warrant the effort, not that you aren't a human being.

Nothing wrong with getting pirated copies in that case, I suppose. If they aren't going to do business with you, you might as well do business with someone else.

"It means they don't expect to make enough of a profit there to warrant the effort, not that you aren't a human being.

Nothing wrong with getting pirated copies in that case, I suppose. If they aren't going to do business with you, you might as well do business with someone else."

"Jayge said:

"This thread will now degenerate into a bunch of totalitarian self-righteous idiots telling you how wrong you are, that you're somehow killing gaming. Don't listen to them."

As opposed to the people who pirate video games and make assurance topics like this to seek approval and make themselves feel better? "

I buy what i like. Whether it's games, music or movies. End of story.

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I Pirate games, so what?

So I hope you go to prison?
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Yes games do sometimes turn out to be total crap when you buy them, even if they've gotten favorable reviews across the board. And it is indeed a waste of money to discover that after you purchased the game because then it'll just sit there on your shelf collection dust. Lord knows I've bought my fair share of games that the majority were ecstatic about, only to find out that I didn't like it at all. But that had nothing to do with the game being an inferior product, it was pure and simple my own personal taste that affected my opinion of the game. And well, by your logic that would justify me pirating those games. After all, you said you pirate games even if they get good scores because you don't like them, which has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, but everything to do with you as an individual.

Seriously, with the way you're going no about this you're basically saying I might as well go steal a car because it's not something I like enough to pay for. "Yea that new Ford got good reviews from most car testers, but I don't really like how it looks, so fuck it, I will just steal it." That is some seriously flawed logic, my friend. I for one do download quite a bit of music, but at least I'm man enough to admit that it's because it's so easy to do and I simply don't feel like paying for all of it. I would rather spend my money on a game and risk not liking it then spend it on a couple of new CDs, but that has nothing to do with the quality of said products and everything with my own priorities and lack of 100% good morality.

Do I think you're evil and deserve to burn in hell for pirating games? No more than I think it about myself for pirating music. I do, however, think you are a hypocrite for hiding behind some bs justification for pirating. At least man up and say it's because you can't be fucked to pay for those games.

Bragging about stealing doesn't make you cool dickheads

This is such a touchy subject. I think pirating games is wrong because it cost millions to make them and the people that put all the hard work in don't profit. It's not like a band for example who has an album leak, they can still get money off the back of a tour and merch. Some musicians can even benefit from piracy. Developers don't. Plus I really think the games industry is a great one and in my eyes the best entertainment industry we have today. Its not grown to its full potential but it gets closer every year, as this happens the industry gets better and we get better games. Video Games are still very young and I think piracy hurts there growth. I'm not condemning those who pirate games, thats just personally what I think.

Meh, generally when someone pirates a game they don't feel obligated to play it anyways.

"Yes games do sometimes turn out to be total crap when you buy them, even if they've gotten favorable reviews across the board. And it is indeed a waste of money to discover that after you purchased the game because then it'll just sit there on your shelf collection dust. Lord knows I've bought my fair share of games that the majority were ecstatic about, only to find out that I didn't like it at all. But that had nothing to do with the game being an inferior product, it was pure and simple my own personal taste that affected my opinion of the game. And well, by your logic that would justify me pirating those games. After all, you said you pirate games even if they get good scores because you don't like them, which has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, but everything to do with you as an individual.

Seriously, with the way you're going no about this you're basically saying I might as well go steal a car because it's not something I like enough to pay for. "Yea that new Ford got good reviews from most car testers, but I don't really like how it looks, so fuck it, I will just steal it." That is some seriously flawed logic, my friend. I for one do download quite a bit of music, but at least I'm man enough to admit that it's because it's so easy to do and I simply don't feel like paying for all of it. I would rather spend my money on a game and risk not liking it then spend it on a couple of new CDs, but that has nothing to do with the quality of said products and everything with my own priorities and lack of 100% good morality.

Do I think you're evil and deserve to burn in hell for pirating games? No more than I think it about myself for pirating music. I do, however, think you are a hypocrite for hiding behind some bs justification for pirating. At least man up and say it's because you can't be fucked to pay for those games.

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Papa. You're stealing from people that poured there lives and souls to make something, these people worked very hard...and your telling them it was for nothing. Im not sure if anyone has ever broken into your house and stolen something, but i hope it happens to you so that you might come to understand what it is like being robbed. Because you are robbing these people who worked hard, something you probably have no concept of doing. Maybe your to stupid, maybe your lazy, but at the end of the day your a worthless pig that cannot doing anything worthy of a smile. Get a job, and stop making excuses. If you dont know if the game can run on your computer, DO A LITTLE RESEARCH! Look at you system specs and then look at the game specs and see whats coming up short. If you hear a game has tech issues, DONT BUY IT! People like you make me fucking sick. I am now going to be redundant, but never use "i am to fucking poor to buy games all the time". Its very simple, dont buy the game if you dont have the money, and GET A FUCKING ya free loading scum.

I crank that soulja boy so what?

While I hate the idea of piracy and I'm not fond of those who do it, I pirate music all the time.  It's a very double-sided blade.

There's no point justifying your actions: pirating is stealing, which is illegal. You, therefore, are illegal. Some day you'll have to deal with it.

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So whatJayge said:

"Kazona said:

"Yes games do sometimes turn out to be total crap when you buy them, even if they've gotten favorable reviews across the board. And it is indeed a waste of money to discover that after you purchased the game because then it'll just sit there on your shelf collection dust. Lord knows I've bought my fair share of games that the majority were ecstatic about, only to find out that I didn't like it at all. But that had nothing to do with the game being an inferior product, it was pure and simple my own personal taste that affected my opinion of the game. And well, by your logic that would justify me pirating those games. After all, you said you pirate games even if they get good scores because you don't like them, which has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product, but everything to do with you as an individual.

Seriously, with the way you're going no about this you're basically saying I might as well go steal a car because it's not something I like enough to pay for. "Yea that new Ford got good reviews from most car testers, but I don't really like how it looks, so fuck it, I will just steal it." That is some seriously flawed logic, my friend. I for one do download quite a bit of music, but at least I'm man enough to admit that it's because it's so easy to do and I simply don't feel like paying for all of it. I would rather spend my money on a game and risk not liking it then spend it on a couple of new CDs, but that has nothing to do with the quality of said products and everything with my own priorities and lack of 100% good morality.

Do I think you're evil and deserve to burn in hell for pirating games? No more than I think it about myself for pirating music. I do, however, think you are a hypocrite for hiding behind some bs justification for pirating. At least man up and say it's because you can't be fucked to pay for those games.

"

He never said he kept the games he didn't like."

ERm, okay TC is an ass

"Weltal said:

"Karmum said:

"You have to put that blame on the developers at least somewhat. Take EA for example, many of their games are easy to pirate. I won't go into detail of what games and how, but they are pretty easy to get without much trouble. Piracy will never end, but it could be managed."

How is it the developer's fault that their game can be pirated? There is no possible way to prevent people from pirating a game."

More specifically how is it the publisher's fault? EA is a publisher that has COUNTLESS great developers under its wing such as Valve, Crytek, Criterion, EA Redwood Shores (Man did I LOVE James Bond Everything Or Nothing) and DICE."

ok so from what i understood

ur a faget

This can be discussed without having to direct insults at each other.

"What about the games he did like? He unethically attained access, without rewarding the developers who spent months if not years on end towards the development of the game, and that's just as bad whether he liked the games or not."

"What I'll always do though is buy the games I think are good to reward the developer! I just wish'd EA would release their games for the UK over Steam."

"This can be discussed without having to direct insults at each other.

Keep it friendly or this thread will be rapidly approaching the end of its life.

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