Tomorrow's the big day. My Alienware Area 51 machine is being delivered and I can finally venture back into the world of PC Gaming that I have been forced to ignore due to my current rig being a bit on the shabby side. Anyways, I'm looking for games out there that require a lot of machine in order to play on max settings. I want to experience the PC gaming porn that I've been missing. Any suggestions? So far, I'm going to be playing Rift (preordered through Steam), and Dragon Age 2 (but not until March 8th). Any suggestions though for games to pick up?
Thanks!
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Testing out the new rig
Beyond that almost any major game with DX11 graphical options will do.
Cryostasis, not exactly great looking, just poorly optimised D:
Anyway, it's a great game regardless.
" @ttocs:Thanks man. That's exactly the kind of reply I was looking for. I remember downloading the demo of rome total war on my old machine and it was like watching a realplayer movie.= CHAOS "
- Rome total war
- Skirmish
- 8-player AI-only
- Max Army
- Full Graphics
- A small map with a dense town in the middle
" Dirt 2 looks awesome maxed out. Plus it's a solid racing game if you're looking for one. "I actually didn't play Dirt 2 yet. My brother said it was good, but I never got into it. I've never played a racing game on the PC before. How are the controls? Do you need a racing setup (wheel, etc.) to play it correctly?
" @wolf_blitzer85 said:I recommend at least a wired xbox controller." Dirt 2 looks awesome maxed out. Plus it's a solid racing game if you're looking for one. "I actually didn't play Dirt 2 yet. My brother said it was good, but I never got into it. I've never played a racing game on the PC before. How are the controls? Do you need a racing setup (wheel, etc.) to play it correctly? "
What are the specs of the new rig? and of the old one? Just for curiosity's sake and to see how hey will compare.
" What are the specs of the new rig? and of the old one? Just for curiosity's sake and to see how hey will compare. "I'd like to know that too. You intrigue us by saying you've bought a massive powerhouse and then don't tell us what's under the hood. That's not very sporting now is it?
Yup, this would do just fine, and actually it wouldn't be a terrible idea to have a 360 controller on hand as it makes a really nice pc controller too especially with all these console ports out there. I find there is less headache when I just play the game with a gamepad as it was developed in mind for rather than wrestle with broken proper pc controls. Not all games are like this, but like I said, it's good to have that controller on hand when you run into problems like that." @ttocs said:
" @wolf_blitzer85 said:I recommend at least a wired xbox controller. "" Dirt 2 looks awesome maxed out. Plus it's a solid racing game if you're looking for one. "I actually didn't play Dirt 2 yet. My brother said it was good, but I never got into it. I've never played a racing game on the PC before. How are the controls? Do you need a racing setup (wheel, etc.) to play it correctly? "
" @Cirdain said:Yeah, I found that with that 2008 Prince Of Persia, and all the Assassin's Creed's mostly 3rd person adventure stuff.Yup, this would do just fine, and actually it wouldn't be a terrible idea to have a 360 controller on hand as it makes a really nice pc controller too especially with all these console ports out there. I find there is less headache when I just play the game with a gamepad as it was developed in mind for rather than wrestle with broken proper pc controls. Not all games are like this, but like I said, it's good to have that controller on hand when you run into problems like that. "" @ttocs said:
" @wolf_blitzer85 said:I recommend at least a wired xbox controller. "" Dirt 2 looks awesome maxed out. Plus it's a solid racing game if you're looking for one. "I actually didn't play Dirt 2 yet. My brother said it was good, but I never got into it. I've never played a racing game on the PC before. How are the controls? Do you need a racing setup (wheel, etc.) to play it correctly? "
It's an Alienware. I know a lot of people say they are overpriced but I know nothing about building computers and they are the best gaming rigs I could think of. So, I splurged and got a PC that would last me a while. Here's the specs..." @Halopower67 said:
" What are the specs of the new rig? and of the old one? Just for curiosity's sake and to see how hey will compare. "I'd like to know that too. You intrigue us by saying you've bought a massive powerhouse and then don't tell us what's under the hood. That's not very sporting now is it? "
Processor: Intel Core i7-970 Six Core Processor, 3.23GHz, 12MB
Memory: 12GB Triple Channel 1333MHz DDR3
GPU: Dual Nvidia Geforce GTX460
HD: 1TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 32MB Cache HDD
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium
Motherboard: Intel X58 ATX
Liquid Cooling
I tested this myself using a program called ProcessExplorer and found that out of 50+ games installed on PC only 1 game pushed all 4 cores to 100% and none pushed them all over 85%. The games that used more than 2 cores produced graphs that showed 2 cores peaking at around 70-80% while the others peaked at around 40-60% and I think that is more down the hardware spreading the load and not the software looking at using the available resources more fully.
The most CPU intensive games I had in my collection were Battlefield Bad Company 2 which peaked with all 4 cores at 100% and Metro 2033 with 3 cores reaching 80% and 1 core hitting 100%. In most games the processes are split so that 1 core controls the game mechanics and AI while the other controls the graphics queues etc...
My cores are different or hyperthreads, games like mafia 2, assassin's creed 2 utilize every core or hyperthread dispite how ppl likes to rationalize how it shouldn't. I mean it utilizes it even if it's not designed for it, I thought you should know. You can see what is being used, by alt and tab, then turn on the processes through ctrl alt and delete going into the process. Play the game for a minute or two then alt tab out and see what is being used for a few minutes consistently because the bar meter thing should be high. I never seen a game use less than 4 cores on my i7, it might use like 5-8 hyperthreads depending on the games, which shows up more for open world games. Like I said, it's not designed for it, but it gets utilized dispite what ppl says from my experience anyways. I guess amd cpus does things differently then and uses less.
It would be interesting in seeing how a selection of the games you play show processor utilization on ProcessExplorer as I have only been able to test my own AMD rig.
I do know that software that has not been threaded such as iTunes shows no performance gain from using extra cores and that an i7-980x (6c/12t) was 0.01s slower than an i7-975 (4c/8t) in transcoding the same track. And I have been led to believe that most games are not created as Hyperthreading enabled applications.
This is what Tom's Hardware had to say about the performance gains of a six core CPU over a 4 core:
Intel is wise to keep Hyper-Threading an integral part of its high-end processors. Our analysis shows that many applications can benefit significantly from the extra logical cores. The feature is naturally most effective in threaded apps. Software developers know where parallelism stands to benefit the performance of their titles most profoundly, and over the years, a majority have optimized their products to utilize the almost-ubiquitous ecosystem of dual-, triple-, and quad-core CPUs. Fritz, 3ds Max, Cinebench, MainConcept, and 7-Zip are but a few of the apps able to capitalize on the feature and demonstrate improved performance. Even clock speed increases can't yield these performance boosts, unless you really crank up the overclocking. In this regard, Hyper-Threading does a great job by further improving performance via augmented utilization in the workloads that need it most.
In the end, efficiency increases with Hyper-Threading on Intel’s quad-core Core i7-975 Extreme Edition because many applications scale well at up to eight cores (or threads). The new Core i7-980X shows little benefit from Hyper-Threading, though, and even takes a slight efficiency hit. The conclusions we drew in our initial review hold up here. This isn't a gaming processor, and it's not particularly well-suited to the desktop at all. Rather, it's a workstation processor best suited to content creation, rendering, and other parallelized workloads. If you're not doing that sort of heavy lifting, a quad-core CPU like the Core i5-750/Phenom II X4 965 or even a Hyper-Threading-enabled quad-core chip like the Core i7-930 makes for a smarter buy.
Unfortunately, these types of applications aren't necessarily universal on mainstream desktop PCs, and therein lies the rub. Many of the titles used in this article can't take advantage of additional parallelism. Gulftown’s six cores already provide plenty of performance, and whether Hyper-Threading is switched on or off doesn't make a ton of difference (until you start looking at power consumption, that is). Enabling Hyper-Threading clearly increases peak power. Conversely, disabling the feature helps to lower peak power.
What I understood from this article is that in the case of the Alienware PC that the OP bought his gaming performance would increase if he had opted for an i7-975 (4c/8t) instead of the i7-970 (6c/12t).
" @HitmanAgent47: Outdated in the sense of GTX4xx previous gen cards and GTX5xx current gen cards.Eh, I got a bonus from work and I always wanted an Alienware machine. So, I figured I'd treat myself. I know nothing about PC's, only what I read that is in basic english so I am going to try and learn a lot with this. I know the 400 series is "outdated" but that's why I got two of them working together. I figured two of them would be better than one 500. At least that's what I read.
It would be interesting in seeing how a selection of the games you play show processor utilization on ProcessExplorer as I have only been able to test my own AMD rig.
I do know that software that has not been threaded such as iTunes shows no performance gain from using extra cores and that an i7-980x (6c/12t) was 0.01s slower than an i7-975 (4c/8t) in transcoding the same track. And I have been led to believe that most games are not created as Hyperthreading enabled applications.
This is what Tom's Hardware had to say about the performance gains of a six core CPU over a 4 core:Intel is wise to keep Hyper-Threading an integral part of its high-end processors. Our analysis shows that many applications can benefit significantly from the extra logical cores. The feature is naturally most effective in threaded apps. Software developers know where parallelism stands to benefit the performance of their titles most profoundly, and over the years, a majority have optimized their products to utilize the almost-ubiquitous ecosystem of dual-, triple-, and quad-core CPUs. Fritz, 3ds Max, Cinebench, MainConcept, and 7-Zip are but a few of the apps able to capitalize on the feature and demonstrate improved performance. Even clock speed increases can't yield these performance boosts, unless you really crank up the overclocking. In this regard, Hyper-Threading does a great job by further improving performance via augmented utilization in the workloads that need it most.
In the end, efficiency increases with Hyper-Threading on Intel’s quad-core Core i7-975 Extreme Edition because many applications scale well at up to eight cores (or threads). The new Core i7-980X shows little benefit from Hyper-Threading, though, and even takes a slight efficiency hit. The conclusions we drew in our initial review hold up here. This isn't a gaming processor, and it's not particularly well-suited to the desktop at all. Rather, it's a workstation processor best suited to content creation, rendering, and other parallelized workloads. If you're not doing that sort of heavy lifting, a quad-core CPU like the Core i5-750/Phenom II X4 965 or even a Hyper-Threading-enabled quad-core chip like the Core i7-930 makes for a smarter buy.
Unfortunately, these types of applications aren't necessarily universal on mainstream desktop PCs, and therein lies the rub. Many of the titles used in this article can't take advantage of additional parallelism. Gulftown’s six cores already provide plenty of performance, and whether Hyper-Threading is switched on or off doesn't make a ton of difference (until you start looking at power consumption, that is). Enabling Hyper-Threading clearly increases peak power. Conversely, disabling the feature helps to lower peak power.
What I understood from this article is that in the case of the Alienware PC that the OP bought his gaming performance would increase if he had opted for an i7-975 (4c/8t) instead of the i7-970 (6c/12t).
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I use the PC Xbox 360 controller for Dirt2, works like a charm....
I'd look into trying these games out (most have been mentioned):
-Metro 2033
-Crysis Maximum Edition (Crysis 1 and Crysis Warhead)
-Pre order Crysis 2 (End of March release)
-Battlefield Bad Company 2 (Just damn fun and cheap on Steam, nice looking too)
Metro is the only one that is real heavy on Directx 11 though.
I'd definately try that to see what your system can do until the machine killer known as Crysis 2 comes out... : )
" I usually test out my new system by running Half-Life at 800x600. "That's extreme gaming for you. What sort of frame rates are you getting? ;)
" @ttocs said:I see. Regardless, I picked it up because it was free with a homefront pre-purchase off of steam. I've been wanting to play the game anyways so it's a win win." Oh really? I know that Metro 2033 is being offered free by preordering a game on Steam. I might try that. "Thing is that Metro 2033 isn't an accurate display of what your computer can handle as it's veeery poorly optimized. "
It depends on how hot my room is and if I open my case and put a fan on it." @MrOldboy said:
" I usually test out my new system by running Half-Life at 800x600. "That's extreme gaming for you. What sort of frame rates are you getting? ;) "
Seriously though. Look at the games you have. Look at a review for your graphics card and test the game you own with Fraps on. Usually they test the graphics cards on pretty good rigs so i like to compare to those numbers since the video card is a big piece of what makes your games go. If I can come close to the reviews benchmark I feel good about my rig. Or run a benchmarking part of a game, like Metro 2033, Just Cause 2, or something and compare with others.
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