@TheKeyboardDemon said:
I'm not sure I understand your point, AMD release an 8 core CPU, Legit reviews conduct tests with heavily multithreaded applications to see how well the 8 cores perform together and you're saying what exactly? That this is a bad test? Surely the fact that it only did well in some tests and not all tests highlights both the strengths and weaknesses of the CPU/platform, or are you saying that we should ignore all the tests where the CPU/platform did well and just focus on those where it did badly?
I'm saying that not every application is heavily multithreaded, many are still not. The fact of the matter is, Bulldozer has pretty bad per core performance, and that didn't show up in any of the tests they ran. It is even bested by the Phenoms in many such cases. The fact that it did well in some tests and bad in others (and being all of them were heavily multithreaded) if anything means the CPU's performance is in no way consistent, even in its supposed strong-point.
@TheKeyboardDemon said:
Here you are saying that tests conducted in the 'more realistic scenarios' are not realistic despite then saying that this is the way the majority of gamers will be playing their games and to get a realistic measure of performance the tests should be conducted using settings that were only really relevent when we were playing on 15" CRT monitors not 22" or bigger 1080p monitors or moitors that go up to 2560x1600 resolutiions.
I don't see how my point can be misconstrued the way you did. It's simple, to get a clear index of CPU performance in games, in those tests you generally need to lighten the GPU load and increase the CPU load. Looking at such benchmarks, you may as well say an i3 is equal to an i7, because at that resolution and settings there would indeed be no performance difference as long as the same GPU is being used. It's that simple.
The correct way to do this, IMO, is to have a benchmark of each type. One to get a picture of CPU performance, and another to get an idea of whether that translates to a realistic scenario in a game or not.
@TheKeyboardDemon said:
I can tell you didn't read any of the articles I linked, I mean not even the introductions or the conclusions, these are the bits I read first by the way, if you had you would have seen this in the introduction to the article:
Today we get to see for the first time how the top model in AMDs new FX range of CPUs, previously known as Bulldozer, performs against the existing Intel equivalent as we put the two CPUs head to head.
Then I can tell you didn't look at any of the benchmarks. I actually skipped the intros and conclusions in those articles but I absolutely read every benchmark. I do not see how Bulldozer can be called equivalent to the 2600k, in price or performance. If anything, it should have been paired against the 2500k, which is much closer to its price point.
@TheKeyboardDemon said:
What do you mean not really? Do you mean once we disregard every good result that the platform has achieved? Or do you genuinely think that there is not one single area in which this platform can actually meet with expectations?
Personally I have yet to make my mind up, I really want to know what these new CPUs and the Scorpius platform are truly capable of, I want to understand this so that when Ivy Bridge comes out in a few months time I will see how Intel have improved on their platform and I will be asking the same questions and looking at the same tests for answers, I'm assuming that I should ignore the tests where the Ivy Bridge platform does well as no doubt they will be flawed just like the Bulldozer tests. However I will want to know about multicore/multithread performance, I'm interested in the results from FPU and video encoding tests, in seeing CPU utilisation across everyday tasks and for me the most important thing that I want from a gaming platform is gaming performance that tests the hardware in the same way I want to use it.
As I said before, no one is ignoring the areas it does well in. It has been established already that multithreaded applications are Bulldozer's strong-point by every single review out there (which is why it's better suited to servers). However, on a desktop machine, applications come in many forms, many of them still rely on a single core or two and this is where Bulldozer starts choking. Per core performance still matters greatly here, and that's where it falls flat on its face. It is absolutely ridiculous to see the highest end Bulldozer fail against its lesser predecessors. I'm not even going into the high power draw issues, which when compared with both the 2500k and 2600k is abysmal considering the performance you're getting.
I'm still not sure what more you want. There is more than enough data out there to form a clear picture about this.
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