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The state of the PC

Topic started by Sanitarium on Aug. 4, 2008. Last post by ReMisK 4 months, 2 weeks ago.
Post by Sanitarium (2 posts) See mini bio
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Seems like the PC is just floundering now.  There's a handful of decent games on the horizon, mainly from outfits like Valve and Blizzard who have been traditionally been PC developers, but you just don't see the volume of games like the consoles have.  I love my PC and I do prefer to play games on it over consoles, I just wish it had better support .  I guess cost is the main issue as it's much easier for Joe Six Pack to go buy a 360 and few games, hook it up to his TV and start screaming like a moron on Xbox Live.  I think we're going to keep seeing less and less good games on the PC in the future.

Seems like the PC is just floundering now.  There's a handful of decent games on the horizon, mainly from outfits like Valve and Blizzard who have been traditionally been PC developers, but you just don't see the volume of games like the consoles have.  I love my PC and I do prefer to play games on it over consoles, I just wish it had better support .  I guess cost is the main issue as it's much easier for Joe Six Pack to go buy a 360 and few games, hook it up to his TV and start screaming like a moron on Xbox Live.  I think we're going to keep seeing less and less good games on the PC in the future.

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My PC is not floundering. It reeks of awesome no matter how much I lay my dork on it. Maybe your PC is floundering but mine gives me plenty of comfort in the wee hours of the night. The PC will be dead when you can get terabytes of free porn on the Nintendo Dong.

My PC is not floundering. It reeks of awesome no matter how much I lay my dork on it. Maybe your PC is floundering but mine gives me plenty of comfort in the wee hours of the night. The PC will be dead when you can get terabytes of free porn on the Nintendo Dong.

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I don't really feel that my pc is floundering. The games that I want to play are all coming to every platform, which ,means I will be able to play them with better controls, graphics, and online support.

I don't really feel that my pc is floundering. The games that I want to play are all coming to every platform, which ,means I will be able to play them with better controls, graphics, and online support.

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I think the PC's current position (fairly bottlenecked, strangled a bit) puts it in the perfect place to bring back the innovation that put it on top in the first place. It's getting to the point where people either bitch and want more DRM (a la people who don't understand it'll all get cracked) or they man up and start doing some seriously cool stuff for the PC (as in Spore, Dark Horizon, Sins of a Solar Empire). Personally, I have only used my PC sparsely over the past 2 years or so, because It's pretty old, and I somehow managed to get invested in my 360. That doesn't mean I don't still support the PC though- I'm still active on several different games that I've played for years; but I think the platform is in need of a reneissance (can't beleive I spelled that right), and it's about to arrive.

I think the PC's current position (fairly bottlenecked, strangled a bit) puts it in the perfect place to bring back the innovation that put it on top in the first place. It's getting to the point where people either bitch and want more DRM (a la people who don't understand it'll all get cracked) or they man up and start doing some seriously cool stuff for the PC (as in Spore, Dark Horizon, Sins of a Solar Empire). Personally, I have only used my PC sparsely over the past 2 years or so, because It's pretty old, and I somehow managed to get invested in my 360. That doesn't mean I don't still support the PC though- I'm still active on several different games that I've played for years; but I think the platform is in need of a reneissance (can't beleive I spelled that right), and it's about to arrive.

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Well, its going just fine for me. I'm not a hardcore gamer that needs to play a hundred games every month, so the big title that's released every few months suffices.

I think it's just fine, and nowhere the brink point.

However I do think that console innovation in the future may very well render the PC as obsolete. Consoles offer many advantages over the PC (convenience, price) but lacks many of the features of PC (mods, free online, solid controls for FPS and RTS games).

In the future, I see consoles overcoming those deficiencies and becoming the primary medium of gaming.  But that's in the future, definitely not this generation or the next generation.


Well, its going just fine for me. I'm not a hardcore gamer that needs to play a hundred games every month, so the big title that's released every few months suffices.

I think it's just fine, and nowhere the brink point.

However I do think that console innovation in the future may very well render the PC as obsolete. Consoles offer many advantages over the PC (convenience, price) but lacks many of the features of PC (mods, free online, solid controls for FPS and RTS games).

In the future, I see consoles overcoming those deficiencies and becoming the primary medium of gaming.  But that's in the future, definitely not this generation or the next generation.


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That consoles lack the precision of PCs in regards to FPS controls is a bit of a misnomer. In the 8 years or so that the advent of console shooters has gone on, the skill gap between people playing those, and people playing PC games has largely come to a close.

That being said, the PC is still the only viable platform for an RTS. The consoles could be, but the manufacturers are ridiculously outdated when it comes to peripherals and mods (physical and software related). That's where the PC needs to start making a huge jump. The return of the Joystick.

That consoles lack the precision of PCs in regards to FPS controls is a bit of a misnomer. In the 8 years or so that the advent of console shooters has gone on, the skill gap between people playing those, and people playing PC games has largely come to a close.

That being said, the PC is still the only viable platform for an RTS. The consoles could be, but the manufacturers are ridiculously outdated when it comes to peripherals and mods (physical and software related). That's where the PC needs to start making a huge jump. The return of the Joystick.

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Omg, im sick of these threads everyone keeps thinking the pc is failing. Its not!!! 

Omg, im sick of these threads everyone keeps thinking the pc is failing. Its not!!! 

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There are, and will always be, great games for the PC simply because of the huge back catalogue of games.  Digital download services are on the rise, so we're seeing a lot less boxed copies.  And with games like Spore, Sam and Max, Crysis Warhead, and not to mention all the cross-platform games, I think the PC is doing just fine.  It just seems like it's a bit of a lull, since there is a lot of hype around the consoles right now.

There are, and will always be, great games for the PC simply because of the huge back catalogue of games.  Digital download services are on the rise, so we're seeing a lot less boxed copies.  And with games like Spore, Sam and Max, Crysis Warhead, and not to mention all the cross-platform games, I think the PC is doing just fine.  It just seems like it's a bit of a lull, since there is a lot of hype around the consoles right now.

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Sanitarium said:

"...it's much easier for Joe Six Pack to go buy a 360 and few games, hook it up to his TV and start screaming like a moron on Xbox Live.
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Good riddance.

Sanitarium said:
"...it's much easier for Joe Six Pack to go buy a 360 and few games, hook it up to his TV and start screaming like a moron on Xbox Live.
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Good riddance.

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As a PC gamer i'd say the biggest problem with the platform is it has no immediate face to it. And by that i mean Xbox has Microsoft, Playstation has Sony and the Wii has Nintendo to back their consoles and have conferences for them at the likes of E3 an other gaming events.

The PC however has no one to actually say "well this year on the PC we intend to..." because all it has is developers who are more interested in flogging their games than to actually promote the platform. I think everyone can agree this years E3 conferences seemed to focus more on why you should buy the console than promote what good games are coming out on it.

There is also the fact that the PC has no genre to call its own as games from all genres can be found on both the PC and consoles. Ten years ago it used to be that consoles were better for platformers, fighting, racing and the odd flying sim game where as the PC was better at RPG, FPS, RTS and the MMO. But now its all mixed together and the PC has lost its solidarity to those genres. The current situation for gamers is that by owning only one platform you limit you're gaming experience.

We're also seeing more and more of the same type of games being released on the PC too, if it isn't another MMO with a fantasy setting its another FPS with flashy graphics and no real substance to the gameplay. As a gaming platform the PC is the most expensive and with the economy how it is globally at the moment i imagine most people aren't too inclined to drop a small fortune on building a new PC. The platforms hit a negative period, but hopefully we'll see it pick up again soon to prove its still a viable option to play games on.

As a PC gamer i'd say the biggest problem with the platform is it has no immediate face to it. And by that i mean Xbox has Microsoft, Playstation has Sony and the Wii has Nintendo to back their consoles and have conferences for them at the likes of E3 an other gaming events.

The PC however has no one to actually say "well this year on the PC we intend to..." because all it has is developers who are more interested in flogging their games than to actually promote the platform. I think everyone can agree this years E3 conferences seemed to focus more on why you should buy the console than promote what good games are coming out on it.

There is also the fact that the PC has no genre to call its own as games from all genres can be found on both the PC and consoles. Ten years ago it used to be that consoles were better for platformers, fighting, racing and the odd flying sim game where as the PC was better at RPG, FPS, RTS and the MMO. But now its all mixed together and the PC has lost its solidarity to those genres. The current situation for gamers is that by owning only one platform you limit you're gaming experience.

We're also seeing more and more of the same type of games being released on the PC too, if it isn't another MMO with a fantasy setting its another FPS with flashy graphics and no real substance to the gameplay. As a gaming platform the PC is the most expensive and with the economy how it is globally at the moment i imagine most people aren't too inclined to drop a small fortune on building a new PC. The platforms hit a negative period, but hopefully we'll see it pick up again soon to prove its still a viable option to play games on.

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Wrong, the PC still has the most announced exclusives and highly rated titles, games are merely shifting from the big names to more indie developers. Games like Zeno Clash represent the future of the PC. The PC has five times as many AAE titles than the 360 this generation.

Wrong, the PC still has the most announced exclusives and highly rated titles, games are merely shifting from the big names to more indie developers. Games like Zeno Clash represent the future of the PC. The PC has five times as many AAE titles than the 360 this generation.

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@Vandalvideo: I just looked at some info on Zeno Clash, but I don't get it. How does that game represent the future of the PC? Did I miss something?

@Vandalvideo: I just looked at some info on Zeno Clash, but I don't get it. How does that game represent the future of the PC? Did I miss something?

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@Hamz  - That was an obvious allusion to Crysis, which, as anyone who has played it can confirm, has excellent gameplay.

@Hamz  - That was an obvious allusion to Crysis, which, as anyone who has played it can confirm, has excellent gameplay.

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Zeno Clash sadly enough looks like it might have a better control scheme if it used triggers as fists >.<

Zeno Clash sadly enough looks like it might have a better control scheme if it used triggers as fists >.<

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Hamz said:

"As a PC gamer i'd say the biggest problem with the platform is it has no immediate face to it. And by that i mean Xbox has Microsoft, Playstation has Sony and the Wii has Nintendo to back their consoles and have conferences for them at the likes of E3 an other gaming events.

The PC however has no one to actually say "well this year on the PC we intend to..." because all it has is developers who are more interested in flogging their games than to actually promote the platform. I think everyone can agree this years E3 conferences seemed to focus more on why you should buy the console than promote what good games are coming out on it.

There is also the fact that the PC has no genre to call its own as games from all genres can be found on both the PC and consoles. Ten years ago it used to be that consoles were better for platformers, fighting, racing and the odd flying sim game where as the PC was better at RPG, FPS, RTS and the MMO. But now its all mixed together and the PC has lost its solidarity to those genres. The current situation for gamers is that by owning only one platform you limit you're gaming experience.

We're also seeing more and more of the same type of games being released on the PC too, if it isn't another MMO with a fantasy setting its another FPS with flashy graphics and no real substance to the gameplay. As a gaming platform the PC is the most expensive and with the economy how it is globally at the moment i imagine most people aren't too inclined to drop a small fortune on building a new PC. The platforms hit a negative period, but hopefully we'll see it pick up again soon to prove its still a viable option to play games on.
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Interesting

Well in my opinion having a PC is enough, it still has the best in FPSs, MMOs, RPGs, RTSs, ...
Xbox 360 games (in my opinion the leading console) are games you play with friends, not something u can play all day.
PC gaming isnt as phenominal as it was b4, althought its still by far the best and with a 20+ year library, amazing games coming out its still something thats running wild. I like MMOs and Online FPSs on the PC, which's experiance i cant get with a console.

Hamz said:
"As a PC gamer i'd say the biggest problem with the platform is it has no immediate face to it. And by that i mean Xbox has Microsoft, Playstation has Sony and the Wii has Nintendo to back their consoles and have conferences for them at the likes of E3 an other gaming events.

The PC however has no one to actually say "well this year on the PC we intend to..." because all it has is developers who are more interested in flogging their games than to actually promote the platform. I think everyone can agree this years E3 conferences seemed to focus more on why you should buy the console than promote what good games are coming out on it.

There is also the fact that the PC has no genre to call its own as games from all genres can be found on both the PC and consoles. Ten years ago it used to be that consoles were better for platformers, fighting, racing and the odd flying sim game where as the PC was better at RPG, FPS, RTS and the MMO. But now its all mixed together and the PC has lost its solidarity to those genres. The current situation for gamers is that by owning only one platform you limit you're gaming experience.

We're also seeing more and more of the same type of games being released on the PC too, if it isn't another MMO with a fantasy setting its another FPS with flashy graphics and no real substance to the gameplay. As a gaming platform the PC is the most expensive and with the economy how it is globally at the moment i imagine most people aren't too inclined to drop a small fortune on building a new PC. The platforms hit a negative period, but hopefully we'll see it pick up again soon to prove its still a viable option to play games on.
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Interesting

Well in my opinion having a PC is enough, it still has the best in FPSs, MMOs, RPGs, RTSs, ...
Xbox 360 games (in my opinion the leading console) are games you play with friends, not something u can play all day.
PC gaming isnt as phenominal as it was b4, althought its still by far the best and with a 20+ year library, amazing games coming out its still something thats running wild. I like MMOs and Online FPSs on the PC, which's experiance i cant get with a console.

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phatkav said:

"@Vandalvideo: I just looked at some info on Zeno Clash, but I don't get it. How does that game represent the future of the PC? Did I miss something?
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I made it clear...indie developers.

phatkav said:
"@Vandalvideo: I just looked at some info on Zeno Clash, but I don't get it. How does that game represent the future of the PC? Did I miss something?
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I made it clear...indie developers.

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The only games im looking forward to are on PC, this generation of consoles didn't deliver imo...

The only games im looking forward to are on PC, this generation of consoles didn't deliver imo...

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I think steam is the way of the future for PC games or just dirrect downloads in general. It is affordable, stops piracy and is conveinient. I think that apps. like steam will help pave the way for the future of PC gaming.

I think steam is the way of the future for PC games or just dirrect downloads in general. It is affordable, stops piracy and is conveinient. I think that apps. like steam will help pave the way for the future of PC gaming.

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The main problem of pc players is that thy are bieng known as some ego people who play games with a keyboard and that thy upgrade thier games and hardware along with the software so thy think that thy are very rich and stuff like that , but its wrong and besides comparing the pc to the counsols is like comparing an ant to to a tiger , nothing is better than the pc .

The main problem of pc players is that thy are bieng known as some ego people who play games with a keyboard and that thy upgrade thier games and hardware along with the software so thy think that thy are very rich and stuff like that , but its wrong and besides comparing the pc to the counsols is like comparing an ant to to a tiger , nothing is better than the pc .

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I put weed in my PC, so even web browsing is a euphoric experience.

I put weed in my PC, so even web browsing is a euphoric experience.

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dwarfzilla said:

"I put weed in my PC, so even web browsing is a euphoric experience."
Weed is hardly euphoric

dwarfzilla said:
"I put weed in my PC, so even web browsing is a euphoric experience."
Weed is hardly euphoric

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The PC is fine and wil be for a long time. I stand by my statement.

The PC is fine and wil be for a long time. I stand by my statement.

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There are plenty of games coming out for the PC, a quick look on play.com shows there's 57 games releasing this month that's hardly a few.  PC is far from dead!

There may only be a handful of high profile coming out this month but that doesn't mean the rest aren't going to be decent.

There are plenty of games coming out for the PC, a quick look on play.com shows there's 57 games releasing this month that's hardly a few.  PC is far from dead!

There may only be a handful of high profile coming out this month but that doesn't mean the rest aren't going to be decent.

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Go download the Mount and Blade beta and shut the hell up.

Go download the Mount and Blade beta and shut the hell up.

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Hamz said:

"As a PC gamer i'd say the biggest problem with the platform is it has no immediate face to it. And by that i mean Xbox has Microsoft, Playstation has Sony and the Wii has Nintendo to back their consoles and have conferences for them at the likes of E3 an other gaming events.

The PC however has no one to actually say "well this year on the PC we intend to..." because all it has is developers who are more interested in flogging their games than to actually promote the platform. I think everyone can agree this years E3 conferences seemed to focus more on why you should buy the console than promote what good games are coming out on it.

There is also the fact that the PC has no genre to call its own as games from all genres can be found on both the PC and consoles. Ten years ago it used to be that consoles were better for platformers, fighting, racing and the odd flying sim game where as the PC was better at RPG, FPS, RTS and the MMO. But now its all mixed together and the PC has lost its solidarity to those genres. The current situation for gamers is that by owning only one platform you limit you're gaming experience.

We're also seeing more and more of the same type of games being released on the PC too, if it isn't another MMO with a fantasy setting its another FPS with flashy graphics and no real substance to the gameplay. As a gaming platform the PC is the most expensive and with the economy how it is globally at the moment i imagine most people aren't too inclined to drop a small fortune on building a new PC. The platforms hit a negative period, but hopefully we'll see it pick up again soon to prove its still a viable option to play games on.
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you are wrong about a lot of things ...

Hamz said:
"As a PC gamer i'd say the biggest problem with the platform is it has no immediate face to it. And by that i mean Xbox has Microsoft, Playstation has Sony and the Wii has Nintendo to back their consoles and have conferences for them at the likes of E3 an other gaming events.

The PC however has no one to actually say "well this year on the PC we intend to..." because all it has is developers who are more interested in flogging their games than to actually promote the platform. I think everyone can agree this years E3 conferences seemed to focus more on why you should buy the console than promote what good games are coming out on it.

There is also the fact that the PC has no genre to call its own as games from all genres can be found on both the PC and consoles. Ten years ago it used to be that consoles were better for platformers, fighting, racing and the odd flying sim game where as the PC was better at RPG, FPS, RTS and the MMO. But now its all mixed together and the PC has lost its solidarity to those genres. The current situation for gamers is that by owning only one platform you limit you're gaming experience.

We're also seeing more and more of the same type of games being released on the PC too, if it isn't another MMO with a fantasy setting its another FPS with flashy graphics and no real substance to the gameplay. As a gaming platform the PC is the most expensive and with the economy how it is globally at the moment i imagine most people aren't too inclined to drop a small fortune on building a new PC. The platforms hit a negative period, but hopefully we'll see it pick up again soon to prove its still a viable option to play games on.
"

you are wrong about a lot of things ...

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TheOGVandalvideo said:

"Wrong, the PC still has the most announced exclusives and highly rated titles, games are merely shifting from the big names to more indie developers. Games like Zeno Clash represent the future of the PC. The PC has five times as many AAE titles than the 360 this generation."
Vandal why do you keep trying? Why?

TheOGVandalvideo said:
"Wrong, the PC still has the most announced exclusives and highly rated titles, games are merely shifting from the big names to more indie developers. Games like Zeno Clash represent the future of the PC. The PC has five times as many AAE titles than the 360 this generation."
Vandal why do you keep trying? Why?

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think what you have to take into account before making statements such as the PC gaming is "floundering" OP is that over the past 2 yrs, theres just been a blitz of fantastic pc games, and this is just a cool down period while other pc games and projects aren't yet known to the gaming world yet. wait till the end of 2009/2010 to make statements like that then it would be more valid, a 6 month cool down is definitely acceptable in the gaming industry in my opinion.

think what you have to take into account before making statements such as the PC gaming is "floundering" OP is that over the past 2 yrs, theres just been a blitz of fantastic pc games, and this is just a cool down period while other pc games and projects aren't yet known to the gaming world yet. wait till the end of 2009/2010 to make statements like that then it would be more valid, a 6 month cool down is definitely acceptable in the gaming industry in my opinion.

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Yeah PC is kind of alone, as in know one is there to take it and say "Here we have....." but I still think it`s doing very well for what it does have, which is in my mind alot more then what a console can offer, Flexibilty in what is in your computer, last alot longer then a console(to most people) plus we have a ton more mmo`s :P

Yeah PC is kind of alone, as in know one is there to take it and say "Here we have....." but I still think it`s doing very well for what it does have, which is in my mind alot more then what a console can offer, Flexibilty in what is in your computer, last alot longer then a console(to most people) plus we have a ton more mmo`s :P

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xruntime said:

"dwarfzilla said:
"I put weed in my PC, so even web browsing is a euphoric experience."
Weed is hardly euphoric"
Maybe he's so high he made a mistake and meant opium.

xruntime said:
"dwarfzilla said:
"I put weed in my PC, so even web browsing is a euphoric experience."
Weed is hardly euphoric"
Maybe he's so high he made a mistake and meant opium.

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I think a game like Crysis really brings out all the flaws in PC gaming. Its not easily accessible because you need a $2000 PC to run it properly and it was one of the most bootlegged games of 2007. In the end,its a question of good economics, isn't it ? Most developers don't find it profitable to make a PC exclusive game these days. The only really interesting titles you see on the PC are small indie games like Audiosurf or MMOs. Or maybe a John Carmack masterpiece once every 5 years.

The platform is not dead....yet but it needs some real attention to survive in the long term. 2004 was probably the last great year for PC gaming as such (Doom 3, HL2, WoW) and its been all downhill since then. I might be cynical for saying this but I get the feeling developers like Bioware seem to release titles on the PC only because of an odd sense of loyalty to the old platform (I doubt if the PC version of Mass Effect managed to scrounge up even 10% of X360 version's sales). Its not just the developers - even for any average gamer, it just makes more sense to buy a console than spend thousands of dollars on a PC for just 2-3 games. The consoles provide the same graphical quality, usually a bigger multiplayer network (and XBL is way better than anything on the PC) and best of all - it doesn't require a tune up every 6 months to keep up with the newest games.

I used to prefer the PC as a gaming platform and almost always chose the PC version of games but I really don't see the point in it anymore. Infact, its only the small indie games on services like Steam and Gametap which still keep bringing me back.

I think a game like Crysis really brings out all the flaws in PC gaming. Its not easily accessible because you need a $2000 PC to run it properly and it was one of the most bootlegged games of 2007. In the end,its a question of good economics, isn't it ? Most developers don't find it profitable to make a PC exclusive game these days. The only really interesting titles you see on the PC are small indie games like Audiosurf or MMOs. Or maybe a John Carmack masterpiece once every 5 years.

The platform is not dead....yet but it needs some real attention to survive in the long term. 2004 was probably the last great year for PC gaming as such (Doom 3, HL2, WoW) and its been all downhill since then. I might be cynical for saying this but I get the feeling developers like Bioware seem to release titles on the PC only because of an odd sense of loyalty to the old platform (I doubt if the PC version of Mass Effect managed to scrounge up even 10% of X360 version's sales). Its not just the developers - even for any average gamer, it just makes more sense to buy a console than spend thousands of dollars on a PC for just 2-3 games. The consoles provide the same graphical quality, usually a bigger multiplayer network (and XBL is way better than anything on the PC) and best of all - it doesn't require a tune up every 6 months to keep up with the newest games.

I used to prefer the PC as a gaming platform and almost always chose the PC version of games but I really don't see the point in it anymore. Infact, its only the small indie games on services like Steam and Gametap which still keep bringing me back.