My OP Persona and how you can make one. What are yours?

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#1 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

My OP Persona and how you can make one.

(This was originally posted in my Classroom Answers thread, though I thought I should post this here so others have the option of breaking end-game boss fights too)

I realised by missing the christmas I wanted, I could make something I tried very hard to do in the past, but gave up on - a (near) perfect Yoshitsune, probably the most OP persona in the game.

For those who don't know, Yoshitsune is the hardest hitting persona you can get, but the (in my opinion) best combination for it requires you to miss your Christmas celebrations. (note you can make one almost as good without doing this, or make an equivalent using skill cards - detailed at the end)

For those interested, I'm including what I made below - there are many forms of Yoshitsune, but I went for the invincible one. It's much easier to do in P4: Golden as you, uno, can choose your inherited skills.

"Invincible" Yoshitsune

I suggest wearing a Book Of The Void accessory to seal the deal (bought from Tanaka near the end of the year / start of the new one, can't remember)

Yoshitsune, final build:

Hassoutobi | Absorb Wind

Power Charge | Absorb Fire

Debilitate | Null Ice (this is where the "near-perfect" comes from, a "perfect" block-all would be absorb ice, which you need Isis for, and since she requires max S-Link, I didn't have her yet)

Arms Master | Null Dark (you don't need any other form of dark protection, as things which cast dark generally don't die by it)

What this gives you

So you end up with a Yoshitsune with the wrecking-fools Hassoutobi (the highest damage attack in the game, though it is physical damage so some enemies are immune), Debilitate (the best debuff in the game) and he'll be immune to all forms of damage (except Almighty of course) and immune to the worst conditions via the Book of the Void accessory.

Debilitate is why you need to do this on Christmas Eve, utilising the fusion forecast for that day: Make Yoshitsune, bonus skill Debilitate. In the end, it's an optional skill - but switching away from your invincible persona is always a risk on higher difficulties unless you have multiple, so IMO it's worth it (worth picking over other things such as Enduring Soul or ali dance - not necessarily missing your Christmas if you're an RPer : P , Yoshitsune is pretty badass no matter how you make him).

Note: To make this fusion on Christmas Eve you'll also need to beat the dungeon on Christmas Eve, you cannot do it earlier or you'll miss your chance.

So, Fusion Ingredients:

Yoshitsune = Hachiman (lvl70 Hierophant) x Hitokoto-nushi (lvl41 Hermit) x Shiki-ouji (lvl56 Fool) x Okuninushi (lvl41 Emperor) x Masakado (lvl69 Tower)

I recommend only doing work on the last two. The rest can be found through shuffle-times or fused normally with no regard for what they have on them. <3 P4 Golden.

There are many, many ways of making these and you'll find that you're probably carrying valid ingredients with you anywho - assuming your personas are of the right levels. Just check your fusion search with Igor. If you want plain old recipes, use this graph and/or this walkthrough (both aren't perfect, but they're both good).

So, below you'll see how I made Hikotonusi (1) and Masakado (2) - I used these to inherit Arms Master, Absorb Wind, Absorb Fire, Null Ice and Null Dark

Hikotonusi (1)

Prep:

- Absorb Fire

Taowu lvl56 hanged, learned lvl62

- Null Ice

Orthrus lvl39 hanged, learned lvl45

- Null Dark

Uriel, lvl58 justice, learned lvl64

BUT

Orthrus + Taowu + Belphegor (lvl61 Devil) = Uriel

So I levelled the first two then fused them into Uriel (passing on Abs Fire and Null Ice), levelled Uriel, then:

Uriel (lvl64) + Nigi Mitama (lvl23 Temperance) = Hikotonusi (1) - This guy now has Absorb Fire, Null Ice and Null Dark taking care of most of your inheritance.

Masakado (2)

- Absorb Wind

Horus (lvl68 Sun, learned at lvl73)

Horus = Shiki-ouji (lvl56 Fool) x Hell Biker (lvl66 Hangedman) x Ganesha (lvl50 Star)

- Arms Master

(learned by Masakado, lvl69 Tower, at lvl74)

Cybele (lvl64 Lovers) + Kartikeya (lvl67 Star) + Horus (lvl73 Sun) = Masakado (2)

Making Yoshitsune

So now you have those two, you just fuse them and the other components on December 24th. This is a pentagon fusion, and you just pick the skills above - easy as that No rerolling EVER AGAIN.

Remember, to be able to fuse on the 24th you have to capture Adachi on that same day.

Making a Yoshitsune without missing Christmas

Firstly, the skill card system can make this whole thing much easier if you have the cash. ALL of his skills except Hassou Tobi and Power Charge (assuming you haven't gotten the latter via shuffle times) have a relatively easily obtainable skill card associated with them, so you can simply make any Yoshitsune you want whilst retaining those two skills and customise him into being invincible. Here are the skill cards you need - you get them by spending a day at the Cafe in the city with that persona equipped (except for the first Cafe visit where you always get Dia). Make sure to register them as they are all very good, or at least to not re-register the persona after extracting the skill card if you're fine with re-spending days.

  • Debilitate: Trumpeter (Judgement, learned at lvl73) - 200,000yen buyback
  • Arms Master: Futsunushi (Chariot, learned at lvl85) - 150,000
  • Absorb Fire: Hell Biker (Hanged Man, learned at lvl71) - 300,000
  • Absorb Ice: Isis (Empress, learned at lvl82) - 300,000
  • Absorb Wind: Horus (Sun, learned at lvl 73) - 300,000
  • Repel Dark: Michael (Judgement, learned at lvl76) - 90,000

Don't want to use skill cards / don't have the cash? So, Yoshitsune doesn't NEED Debilitate. You can have that on Trumpeter for example - and hey, who doesn't want to have a nice christmas? The happy thing here is Masakado (above) learns Enduring Soul (heals you to full when HP hits 0) and which you can inherit instead of Arms Master - but you probably still want Arms Master, right?

Well, to do this you simply use the fusion forecast on 12/19: Fuse Yoshitsune, Bonus Skill: Arms Master.
So you're inheriting:
Enduring Soul, Aborb Wind (Masakado)
Absorb Fire, Null Ice and Null Dark (Hikotonusi)
with the bonus skill: Arms Master

Making pretty much the above with one small change. With this setup you'll be even more unkillable, able to take massive hits of Almighty damage without breaking a sweat (Screw you Margaret).

So, do you have a strong persona to share?

#2 Posted by AlisterCat (5482 posts) -

I had that on original persona 4. Though can't you get skill cards for every skill? I hope so... because then I'll just teach him whatever I want.

#3 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@AlisterCat: To my knowledge you can skill card most skills, though not all.

I do not believe there is a skill card for Debilitate or Arms Master, though there are ones for the absorbs.

Though note those ultra high-end skill cards (eg. absorb ice) cost 300,000 yen each if you register them (which you should) and you'll need to level up endgame personas to unlock them. Alternatively, the above process only costed me like 150K and 2 hours work levelling. The best skill cards also require a day in-game to get, which messes up 100% runs if you don't have spare time at the back end (at least to my understanding - you have to go to the coffee shop, right?).

#4 Posted by AlisterCat (5482 posts) -

@selfconfessedcynic: I don't know... I'm not that far in. Talking to Kanji on the roof of the school right now. Really, if you're doing this build you're doing it for new game plus because whats the point of building this just for the end of the game? So I wouldn't think anyone would care about missing the 100% social linking on that same playthrough. That's what I intend to do anyway. I don't want to miss the Christmas event though.

Also I'm excited that shuffle time gives you persona stats, so it'll be so easy to max out his stats and have the best skills. Izanagi-No-Okami was really lame after that.

#5 Posted by mosespippy (4032 posts) -

I'd say this beelzebub from the original P4 is pretty pimp. Mine was a little bit different. Instead of Repel Wind I had Maragidyne and instead of Null Light I had Endure Light. I had a similar one in P3P as well.

#6 Posted by Benny (1947 posts) -

Do any bosses in the game necessitate this level of Persona? I don't recall seeing any ultima weapon type boss in the original persona 4.

#7 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@mosespippy: Man, that beelzebub is pimp. I prefer a spellmaster Helel w/ victory cry and auto-matarukaja as my daily driver as this 1-shots almost everything in the game. (I usually roll with just 2 persona for fightin' and the rest are just fusion matts or s-link persona)

The main reason I like the helel, though, is that he's cool lookin' - Beelzebub is too ugly for me : P

You can't make a useful invincible helel though, so there's that. Well, maybe you can in this game if you go through the trouble of getting the absorb skill cards.

@Benny:

Well, there's two.

In New Game+ there's Margaret, and in both there is Death (who drops final weapons).

Aside from that I just like having OP stuff to futz around in my 2nd play-through, where I do all my S-Links.

Oh, and there's always solo runs if you roll that way (I don't though).

@AlisterCat:

Yeah, kindof what I'm ending up doing since I failed my first run (Hermit and Lovers were on 9 when the curtains closed : / SO CLOSE). First I'mma make a couple of OP guys to pass on that I'll probably post here and then I'll start my max s-link run on New Game +, Risky difficulty.

#8 Posted by Eirikr (1006 posts) -

Man, if I had this game I'd have all the OP personas. Bitter about missing that Vita Amazon deal from the other day.

#9 Posted by mosespippy (4032 posts) -

@Benny: Reaver, which pops out of random chests is a very strong enemy and is somewhere around level 80. Margaret is also very strong but there is a very specific way to beat her so not all powerful personas are valid for that fight. She'll hit for 9999 almighty damage on turn 100 no matter what. It's good for New Game+ since you won't be able to be hit by anything. You'll be able to just run through the early and mid game without trouble allowing you to focus on S-Links instead.

#10 Posted by Karmosin (210 posts) -

Surt in persona 3 was pure gold for me. Never been good at making the best of the best in RPG's but Surt was awesome.

#11 Posted by Nux (2305 posts) -

@Karmosin said:

Surt in persona 3 was pure gold for me. Never been good at making the best of the best in RPG's but Surt was awesome.

You should try the lucifer and Satan combo. If you have both of these Personas at the same time you gain access to the most powerful combo spell, Armageddon, which does 9999 damage and can literally one shot a boss. Just make sure that lucifer has Victory Cry first because Armageddon uses all you SP and Victory Cry restores all of it after the ballte.

#12 Posted by AmatureIdiot (1076 posts) -

I created a perfect grinding/starting persona in Melchizedek in P3P, it had all the auto-ma skills, alertness, null dark and weapons master. So I could just rush anything without resistances, it made things a lot faster.

#13 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@selfconfessedcynic said:


@Benny:

Well, there's two.


Neither of those really requires anywhere near this level of OPness, though :P
 
Personally, I'd replace Arms Master with a Maziodyne for random encounters. Arms Master is a cool spell name 'n all, but its pretty worthless when you don't ever take damage anyway and have a party healing you every turn to make up for the HP cost from Hassou Tobi.
#14 Posted by kerse (2100 posts) -

I got some magician cards during shuffle early on that gave me bufudyne and ice amp and fused auto tarukaja from hurt, now I just lay waste to everything. I kinda hate it, its too easy I should dismiss that persona.

#15 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@mutha3: I wanted Arms Master for two reasons

1. In this run I wanted to fuse my usual sweeper Helel for use in the future, so I needed something to level up quickly with without needing even more personas to back him up. So even though I usually don't solo, I ran around Megatsu Inaba alone with this guy, sometimes having to use Hassou Tobi 4-5x in a battle against enemies with high evade or resist physical. *shrug* Giving him Maziodyne totally works if you'll never solo though.

2. Maziodyne has a skill card unlike Arms Master, so I wanted to be safe. I can change this guy up in the future (eg. give him abs ice for example via skill card now that I have Isis).

anyway, I love talking about builds etc - and you're probably right, perfects are probably overkill in the end.

Heck, I've heard people have soloed those optional bosses with Black Frost having inherited all of the absorbs : P

I kindof want to do that >_>

#16 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4330 posts) -

My Jack Frost can cast Bufu on stuff....

#17 Posted by smcn (877 posts) -

@Nux said:

@Karmosin said:

Surt in persona 3 was pure gold for me. Never been good at making the best of the best in RPG's but Surt was awesome.

You should try the lucifer and Satan combo. If you have both of these Personas at the same time you gain access to the most powerful combo spell, Armageddon, which does 9999 damage and can literally one shot a boss. Just make sure that lucifer has Victory Cry first because Armageddon uses all you SP and Victory Cry restores all of it after the ballte.

I have Lucifer with VC and a heart item Messiah with Morning Star, Victory Cry, Repel Dark, and 1hSwd Master, but by the end of the game I was already level 99 with every fusion weapon so it was pretty much overkill. I never did finish all the S.Links either... I should really go back and play through on Hard.

#18 Posted by Beforet (2912 posts) -

Me, I'm just going to live the dream of having an amazingly powerful end game Izanagi. I tried making one in the original P4, and got all the way down to the last fusion, but gave up after what felt like a thousand attempts.

#19 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

As an update, there are many really good skill cards but you need to have the persona for them and visit the coffee shop (after the first time, the skill card of your equipped persona is given to you)

For example: (these are followed by the level each persona LEARNS the skill - so you can get many of these before here and learn it through the fusion bonus)

  • Victory Cry skill card: Izanagi No Okami (lvl91 World arcana, New Game + Only) - I just got this on like the last week of gameplay. Man.
  • Absorb Fire: Hell Biker (lvl71 Hanged Man)
  • Absorb Ice: Isis (lvl82 Empress)
  • Absorb Elec: Lucifer (lvl98 Judgement)
  • Absorb Wind: Horus (lvl 73 Sun)
  • Repel Light: Yurlungur (lvl75 Temperance)
  • Repel Dark: Michael (lvl76 Judgement)
  • Arms Master: Futsunushi (lvl85 Chariot)
  • Spell master: Shiva (lvl83 Tower)
  • Salvation: Helel (lvl88 Star)

So I've made my Yoshitsune perfect by adding Absorb ice, and I also soloed Margaret with him after temporarily giving him Absorb Elec (as repel elec heals her).

#20 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

A decent Izanagi that isn't to overpowered.

Primal Force (Beelzebub) / Power Charge (Yoshitsune) / Maziodyne (Kartikeya w/e) / Absorb Wind (Horus) / Absorb Elec (Lucifer) / Arms Master (Futsunushi) / Debilitate (Trumpeter) / Fast-Heal (Kaguya)

I only got Power Charge/Maziodyne on it so far,have yet tried the other Personas if it's true with the skill cards,I'll just spam the beach until I get the skills,I am way to unmotivated to actually "Train" them,I'm laughing my arse off just about thinking training Lucifer to level 99. Rather get an level 99 Izanagi,but yeah. I could've just gotten Absorb skills but didn't want to make him to overpowered,Fast Heal was for fun couldn't really think of anything else to get and I don't attend to use Book of the Void with Izanagi. Primal Force + Power Charge = Pretty good damage. Maziodyne to knock down,Debilitate to obviously kill them faster. Thinking of switching out Arms Master for probably Enduring Soul. I don't intend getting Victory Cry,where's the fun of getting max SP after every battle?

#21 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: Oh man, I just made my izanagi a tank >_>

Primal Force, Power Charge, Arms Master, Firm Stance, Absorb Phys, Repel Dark, Repel Light, Enduring Soul (and book of the void)

I made him to help me solo Risky Elisabeth, which I plan to do later this weekend : ) - and I have my Yoshitsune and Norn for debilitate.

I was considering trying to get him to have Ali Dance and Angelic Grace, but went with Firm Stance instead - it does the job well enough considering his resistances / endurance.

#22 Edited by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

Hopefully you mean Margaret,and I hear you on Tank Izanagi,mine started tanking at Kanji's dungeon from all those Hanged Man shuffle time cards,by the time I got to level 40 with him he had 50+ STR/END. I was deciding to reorganize my build. Since my party will be Brosuke (Sukukaja(,Kanji (Tarukaja),and Teddie (Rakukaja). I know for sure I won't need Heat Riser or Ziodyne. I know for sure I'll be getting Primal Force/Debilitate/Power Charge,I'm discarding Arms Master and might bring in Firm Stance like you. I'm taking in Absorb Physical either way though since majority of shadows use it. I won't need Enduring Soul if I have Rise so I'll probably bring in:

Debilitate/Primal Force/Power Charge/Firm Stance/Agneyastra/Apt Pupil/Revolution/Absorb Physical. A pure Physical tank with high critical. You think this is good? I might take out Revolution though for something else,but that critical with Kanji's physical too. And alternating between Yosuke's magic/physical. Teddie my obvious healer/supporter.

I'm playing Very Hard at the moment with all weak Persona at the moment so it might take until my next gameplay to make him.

#23 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: Oh yeah, Elisabeth was P3, woops.

In general I try to not have too many buffs/debuffs on my MC because I don't want to be wasting turns with him - I usually roll with JUST debilitate then have Yosuke for youthful wind and/or Chie for revolution / dragon hustle and/or Naoto for Heat Riser. So yeah, I'd probably go for Ali Dance in that spot (for your teammates, since you can't dodge - but it's still a great skill) I don't believe there is a skill card for it though, so you'd have to get it from somewhere. Or you can give him Unshaken Will (or w/e - same as book of the void but a skill instead, I think it's from Asura). Other alternatives would be Spellmaster (as for much of the game 30sp for debilitate every 3 rounds can deplete you) / Invigorate 3 (Satan) / Victory Cry (Izanagi No Okami) / Cool Breeze.

But yeah, gl with the very hard run. It definitely isn't so bad at all. As for me, I just made that Izanagi because I like having an Izanagi with the same skills as my Izanagi No Okami for w/e's sake. I roll with No Okami once I get him, hence having repel dark in my build - I don't want to try taking on Margaret with OG Izanagi >_>

#24 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: I beat the game with True Ending on my first gameplay so I had access to Izanagi-No-Okami,but he's weak and doesn't look as cool as Izanagi in my opinion. And I just don't like switching out of my main Personas,kind of an hassle,but Ali Dance sounds like a good idea I already have the skill from Fusion Forecast,same for Firm Stance. Debilitate shouldn't be that bad since 30 SP isn't really a biggy if you plan on using Primal Force mainly along with another massive killer like Kanji using Primal Force too. I plan on having Yosuke use Youthful Wind so that along with Ali Dance is pretty impossible to miss. And if I'm going to have Ali Dance if you can correct me halves the oppnent hit rate and evasion rate,I probably won't be needing Debilitate since I have a Teddie with Marakunda so I might not need it after all and I honestly don't think I need to lower their attack if I have Firm Stance. So I'm still missing that one last skill.

#25 Posted by Red (5994 posts) -

Oh man, I can't wait until I have enough time to dive deep into P4: G. Persona does progression so well.

#26 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: I dunno man, base stats at 80 across the board is pretty G when combined with a Godly Robe (and for overkill an armband to make everything 95)

I was rolling with an Izanagi No Okami with stats like 97/92/99/93/95 after shuffle times. Plus, firm stance w/ his resists to all elements makes him preeeetty strong (he was taking 70 damage from Margaret on normal difficulty)

But yeah, Ali dance is awesome in general - as for that last slot, I'm always a fan of Unshaken Will, as stated earlier - but if you're not, then shrug. Sometimes I stick my physical dudes with Mediarahan (as Yukiko can pump out some sick damage of her own, and if you're not power charged it is sometimes better for the MC to heal)

#27 Edited by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

I'll see about Unshaken Will since I always use the item from Nanako that might be useful,and still not a big fan of Izanagi-No-Okami I think I'm just a hater,but correct me if I'm wrong,but is it even useful against Margaret or any boss after Nametame? I might've been just a quick killer,but I remember dominating them pretty fast and I never got an aliment from any boss.

EDIT:

I actually want to go for something unique other than Izanagi. I'm really interested in seeing a godly Pixie,so I'm probably going to make a powerful tank Pixie. My build is going to be the same as Izanagi though,and I don't like magician builds that's why I'm not making it a mage.

#28 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: Well, Margaret now casts twice per round (so she does her uber Megidolaon and Morning Star on rounds 25 and 50 instead of 50 and 100 - then just rinse/repeats after that).

On Risky she does about 350 damage with her spells - though she still goes Fire, Ice, Elec, Wind as in the past - and 600 with her mind charged Megidolaon. Those numbers are against my Yoshitsune (who just absorbed the elemental but would get 1-hit by the megi if not blocking). Izanagi without Firm Stance was taking along the lines of 170/elemental and about 550 from megi. (I tried soloing her with just Yoshitsune, Izanagi No Okami and Helel but failed, so I ended up doing setting it to normal)

The plan this time round is to just soak up the Megidolaons with my absorb-all Ardha who has Firm Stance and Heat Riser, then use my Izanagi and Helel to take the Uber Megidolaon and Morning Star (as both have Enduring Soul), and the rest of the time just DPS with my Yoshitsune. I don't want to purposefully use Rise's get-out-of-gaol-free-cards.

Anyway, that all aside - you're bringing Agneyastra so I thought you'd be sweeping with your Izanagi as well (that's when I'd be using Unshaken Will - just for the day to day stuff). Against bosses, the only one which inflicts a meaningful condition is Poison by Izanami (nothing helps against that except manually removing it eg. with Salvation) - so in general you're right, Unshaken will is useless for boss fights.

Enduring Soul is always an option as for example the Reaper uses hama and mudo, or you can bring Repel Light since OG Izanagi already nullifies Dark.

#29 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

Change in plans,I plan on using Pixie and I do plan on sweeping too,but I'll see since I have no other skills to put in,but I'll most likely be using Salvation often since I always do even when I have full health.

#30 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: Oh man, Pixie run :P

I kindof want to do a Black Frost run just for the effing Hee-Ho!

#31 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: I like Black Frost,but I prefer Jack Frost Hee mutherf*king ho.If I had to choose a favorite Persona though it be Nata Taishi reminds me of Astro Boy and mainly because I used to watch Journey to the West a lot. Sadly they made Sun Wu Kong some old arse monkey in this game.

#32 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: Mine would probably be Tam Lin, as Scottish mythos is pretty cool, and I love the portrait. Him and Helel as being raised in a christian-dominated society has made me inclined towards biblical notions of the fight between good/evil and that whole jazz - and again, his portrait is cool as fuck.

It's weird that I don't particularly like any of the Max S-Link persona beyond Helel and now Kaguya. Also wierd is that none of them have the best stats for anything from memory. Hachiman > Kaguya for Magic, Yoshitsune is higher than anything for Power, too I believe.

#33 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: As much as I love Yoshitsune I think he's way to overpowered. I mean I'm not a hipster,but I think there should be other choices of powerful Persona like maybe a for sure 3 hit critical exclusive physical skill for I don't know like Yatagarasu. They really need to buff some of the ultimate Persona that are low leveled like Hierophant and stuff,it's really disappointing on seeing how weak they are.

For favorite Persona it indeed be Kaguya,colorful and looks epic,but I hate her animation move,I thought she spread her wings or whatever the hell that is and be like PEW PEW PEW. My second favorite be Sraosha the ultimate Justice I believe,he looks pretty pimp.

#34 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi:

Man.

Loki is SUCH a bummer - lvl 64 and nothing special goddamn it.

At least in Devil Survivor he's an epic badass.

The Kaguya animation is very "look at meeeeee!!", I'd agree. I haven't ever even used Sraosha in combat : / - yeah, they definitely need to buff the ultimates.

#35 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: Sraosha: http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Sraosha

Anyways yeah,they're called ultimates for a reason,they should've at least made Yoshitsune the ultimate tower persona instead of Shiva,and Loki was a bummer,but I was kind of hoping for Susano'O,but Yosuke made him pretty freaking badass so yeah.

#36 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

Okay, done. Soloed Margret on Risky with only 3 persona:

Yoshitsune: Hassoutobi, Power Charge, Debilitate, Arms Master, Absorb Fire, Absorb Ice, Absorb Wind, Repel Dark

Izanagi No Okami: Primal Force, Power Charge, Arms Master, Firm Stance, Absorb Phys, Repel Dark, Repel Light, Enduring Soul

Ardha: Primal Force, Heat Riser, Spell Master, Firm Stance, Absorb Phys, Absorb Fire, Absorb Wind, Enduring Soul

She didn't even come close to ending me.

Now for the real challenge: Taking her on with different permutations of a team.

Okay, so I fought her with my normal team (Naoto / Yosuke / Yukiko) and she barely got off her first instant-kill AOE before going down (Rise just blocked it and it was over) - then I intelligently saved over my pre-fight save. I could go back to a previous one and get ready all over again, but the fight was so easy with multiple people wailing at her, I don't feel motivated to.

#37 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: I want to see you do a run with solo against her with only one Persona. :)

#38 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: Challenge Accepted!

... Challenge completed!

Oh man, so creepy.
One and only, baby. (TBH I couldn't afford to customise another persona, so just went with the closest I had - and the best : P )
Customised to absorb all elements, and have Enduring Soul - Heat Riser is better for this battle than Debilitate as the latter doesn't stick.
Items
Of import: Damage settings are those of Very Hard, Retries in Battles is turned off.
Lets do this thing!
Oh wait... no Norn. Woops.
30 mins, 1 Soma, 1 Endure and 1 Rise save later...
Cya!
Yeah, we're all tired by now. Solo fights are LONG.

You can do this with many personas as long as...

  • It has enough Magic and Endurance to take her hits when Heat Risered (this Yoshitsune has 56 Magic and 61 Endurance base).
  • It absorbs at least 2 elements and nullifies the others. You can't do it if you reflect anything (she absorbs the elements she casts when she casts them), and you go on a downward damage spiral if you're just Strong.
  • It should be Strong / Nullify or Absorb Physical (reflecting adds time but is nowhere near as much as reflecting an element does, you'll probably die if you don't have resistance though).

I suggest the build I used here (seen in the images above), it works for any persona - Primal Force can replace Hassou Tobi (it does about 30% less damage, but is the best alternative). Of course, I suggest you have above 90 Attack and Agility or you'll miss a bunch / do little damage.

#39 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

I tend to not like doing it with 1 persona as it's costly to customise them and the resulting thing is usually useless for anything but this fight.

Oh, to be clear, the build I suggest is (for non-yoshitsune):

You should have Resist or higher against Phys with >90 Power, >70 Magic, >70 Endurance, >90 Agility, X Luck (after items)

  • Primal Force
  • Heat Riser
  • Power Charge
  • Enduring Soul
  • Absorb Fire
  • Absorb Ice
  • Absorb Elec
  • Absorb Wind

You can replace the elemental absorbs with Null Phys > Apt Pupil > Ali Dance if you already absorb it - but you should absorb or nullify them, Str or Reflect doesn't cut it.

#40 Edited by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: Wow I definitely want to try this,but I'm going for a Nata Taishi who has no absorb so this might be more difficult for me.

#41 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: GL! I'd say pick Abs / Null Phys over Absorb Fire and you're good.

The main thing is you'll miss some (though that's helped by Primal Force having an accuracy of 90 instead of Hassou Tobi's 75 ) and take a while longer. You SHOULD be healed for more damage than you're taking with 1 resist and 3 absorbs, though I'm not sure.

Just be sure to have over 70 magic / endurance after items, or you'll have to waste turns blocking Megidolaon which makes keeping up Power Charge and Heat Riser pretty hard.

I think I'm going to try this with OG Izanagi...

#42 Edited by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: Man I'm such a Persona hoar,I'm still thinking about which one to put the skills on... Titan,Nata Taishi, or that red Mitama persona. And I'm looking forward to the battle,you should take a video instead.

#43 Posted by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: Oh man, that'd be one long boring video, haha.

The fight took me 45 mins the first time I did it (with 3 persona, hotswapping), and 30 mins the 2nd time (with one customised persona).

I did, however, just figure out how to screencap with the Vita, so no more pointing my phone camera at it : P

As for personas, why Titan? Nata Taishi is astro-boy like, sure, and Ara Mitama is hilarious looking, but titan?

#44 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: You got a point there

#45 Posted by CrimsonWing69 (5 posts) -

Dude how did you do the fusion on 12/24?

If I skip the christmas eve dates it immediately launches me into 12/25. If i accept the dates, I just get a cutscene into 12/24 then immediately get launched into 12/25. Um, am I missing something here? Or did you get the date mixed up?

#46 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@CrimsonWing69: You have to capture Adachi ON that day, not before. Capturing him before causes it to fast forward as you have experienced.

Don't worry too much about that though as you can get a Debilitate skill card from Trumpeter at the Cafe for 150,000 after submitting it to the compendium (which you should do).

*updates OP with all the skill card info you need*

#47 Posted by TohruAdachi (261 posts) -

: I thought it was 200k on there other hand I'm going to be making a food recipe thread and skill card evolution thread soon. I got this so far:

Arrow Rain -> Akasha Arts

Gale Slash -> Heat Wave

Mind Slice (No evolution)

Aeon Rain - Agneystra

#48 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@TohruAdachi: You may be right on the cost, I'll check when I get home.

Yup - 200,000 yen to get Debilitate. I'm not sure if it's better than Heat Riser anymore, since it doesn't stick on Margaret... but meh. Good to have for NG+ assuming you want to roll past everything.

#49 Posted by Hunkulese (2642 posts) -
@selfconfessedcynic not necessarily related to your persona but I was just wondering if I'm going to miss the Christmas event by mistake.

I was putting off the adachi dungeon because I was trying to raise my links before the end of the year and since Marie wasn't there I decided to enter the tv on the 24th. I haven't beaten the dungeon yet. Can I leave and still get the event or did I have to deal with Adachi before the 24th to get the event?
#50 Edited by selfconfessedcynic (2495 posts) -

@Hunkulese: Yeah, that's happened to me before - you have to deal with Adachi before the 24th to get the event so yes, you've missed christmas, sorry.

Don't worry too much though - the events are the same as they were in OG, I didn't see any new content there. The main thing you miss out on is a nice little moment with whomever you would have spent time with - and all of them are on youtube.

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