The new fanservice is gross.

#1 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19308 posts) -

It has recently come to my attention (from this NeoGAF thread) that Persona 4 Golden has, among its many new pieces of game content compared to the original P4, fanservice material that I can just describe as inappropriate. Examples are mainly the new bathhouse scene as well as optional equipment in battle: 

 


Now, it could be argued that the original game had some of that with Rise's opening advertising scene and the swim suit competition (which I would counter-argue isn't as bad as this), for example. It could also be argued that the new optional equipment is, indeed, optional, so only people with... certain tastes would make use of them. That's true. But that new bathhouse scene is unavoidable (you can skip it, but it's still something every player will stumble into) and I don't think it's appropriate for scenes to linger on nude, underage P4 girls like that just for the segment of the fans that are into that. And, I know P3FES and P3P had the same kind of additional content, but that doesn't make this right.

This is made more frustrating when I realize that most of the original P4 team supposedly have practically nothing to do with this stuff since they're busy with Persona 5, so this is contrary to the team's original vision. One of the reasons Persona 4 is a remarkable RPG for me and many others, I'm sure, is because the female characters are not mere eye candy. They have their own fleshed out personalities and complex issues. Stuff like the images above totally screws that up. Why the hell would Naoto agree to wearing something like that when she's not even comfortable with wearing a female school uniform?

So, am I taking this new content far too seriously or is it a legitimate issue you guys also have a problem with? 

Also, it's worth noting that there are a ton of new outfits such as a classic detective outfit for Naoto with a trench coat, maid outfits, Persona 3 outfits, swimsuit outfits for the guys and this: 
So the fanservice ones might be there just so that the developers could cover as much ground as they can, since they're optional, after all.
#2 Posted by Hailinel (23986 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ: If you think this is gross, you're a hilarious prude. I'd also be surprised if the original P4 creative staff didn't have some sort of sign-off on the new content.

Besides that, not all of the additional costumes are that skimpy.

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#3 Posted by JasonR86 (9611 posts) -

Naoto kind of looks like a crossdresser. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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#4 Posted by SirOptimusPrime (1960 posts) -

I think this is a semi-annoying issue, but not a game-breaking feature. I skipped using the 'sexy' armor in P3FES because it just bothered me and beat that game just fine, so just avoid it like the plague. As you said, the main team is supposedly not doing this stuff, so hopefully they're too busy making P5 work on current-gen to worry about skimpy armor.

As a Naoto fan, that last picture is especially grimy. Plumber's crack isn't hot, Japan.

#5 Edited by Beforet (2912 posts) -

So, is it bad that my main problem with this fanservice is that I think it just looks incredibly unattractive? Asscrack is never sexy, especially on androgynous girls.

Edit: Otherwise, yeah it's stupid. But Japan needs to make its money off the otaku bloc somehow. It's still a great game, just try to ignore the silliness.

#6 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -

You might be taking it a little seriously and I do not have that much of a problem with it, but to say the least, this was exactly the kind of shit I didn't miss from Persona 3, and I say this as someone who totally assembled Team Hyper Maid Strike Force solely because I could. It's just unnecessary and kind of disappointing to see them going for it all over again. Persona 4 didn't need this kind of overt, blatant fanservice; it's not to say that P4 doesn't have its share of fanservice (sup going to Tatsumi Port Island for specious reasons? Hell, throw the entirety of the Yukiko's Inn stuff in there, too) but part of why I love P4 is that they toned down a lot of P3's nonsense and went way more subtle and clever. I feel like this undoes a lot of that in a way that makes it seem way cheesier and desperate, kind of like Very Sweet mode in the No More Heroes PS3 port.

Though I will say, if they tied the joke costumes to your Social Links and they'd only wear them for you if you maxed out their relationships with them, that would be pretty funny.

#7 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

The more naked anime high school girls I see, the better.

#8 Posted by Icemo (642 posts) -

Those costumes for Chie and Yukiko are not that bad, but Naoto's costume just looks wrong.

#9 Posted by AngelN7 (2970 posts) -

Ehh this just looks like those Sexy Santa/Bikini stuff that was in P3P is not a big deal, as you said if you don't want the characters to wear those costumes then don't buy them ...at best you'll get some unique dialog from the other characters like in P3P.

#10 Posted by dagas (2753 posts) -

I don't have a problem with sexy outfits but that is just bad. It's not even a bit sexy, not even funny, it just looks sad. Whoever designed that has the worst fashion sense.

#11 Posted by Nev (540 posts) -

Eh. Not awesome, but not something I'm offended by.

I agree, though, Naoto really looks sketchy.

#12 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19308 posts) -

Initial post ate up the bathhouse images for some reason. I've added them back in. 
 
Interesting opinions thus far, though. Seems that most agree that it's unnecessary.

#13 Edited by Beforet (2912 posts) -

Also, I want every one of those suit armors. Because FUCK YEAH suits! That's the real fanservice so far as I'm concerned!

#14 Posted by Nights (607 posts) -

Are you taking this far too seriously? Yes, yes you are.

#15 Posted by psylah (2162 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Japan

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#16 Posted by Neurotic (632 posts) -

You're taking it too seriously. There was stuff like that in the vanilla game. For example, the end of the camp out where Chie and Yukiko wear swimsuits and the entirety of the beauty pageant.

Also those costumes are just like the 'High-cut Armor' in P3. It was weird there too, just don't equip em.

#17 Edited by ArbitraryWater (11502 posts) -

Eh. I put it on the level of most other fanservice, in that it's dumb and creepy, but ultimately mostly harmless, followed by me going "Oh Japan" and dropping it there. There are instances where it crosses the line into "I feel like a bad person by watching this" territory, such as Naoto's outfit, but it's all optional anyways and Persona 3 did it as well.

#18 Posted by thebunnyhunter (1358 posts) -

Glad to see the armor return like from P3...and this fan service could be worse, be glad there was no Nanako .....because Japan

#19 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Initial post ate up the bathhouse images for some reason. I've added them back in.

I stand by my comments on the outfits, but those bathhouse anime scenes... what the fuck, man, is that really necessary?

#20 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4934 posts) -

Well, I do think some of the costumes are stupid (how much protection a maid outfit would give to anyone in a battle?) and kind of pushing it but it's not that bad.

#21 Edited by believer258 (11685 posts) -

Admittedly it's not the worst fanservice ever but I do agree that it's fairly unnecessary and very tasteless. Oh, yeah, and there's the whole "they are underage" thing.

EDIT: Except swimsuit asscrack. I'm not even an ass man, so it's doubly "uh, no thanks" for me.

#22 Posted by Hailinel (23986 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Initial post ate up the bathhouse images for some reason. I've added them back in. Interesting opinions thus far, though. Seems that most agree that it's unnecessary.

None of that extra content is necessary. Of course no one would argue that. But for those that find entertainment in it, it's there and does nothing to detract from the rest of the game.

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#23 Posted by mandude (2669 posts) -

Disappointing.

#24 Posted by DukesT3 (1893 posts) -

Japan.

#25 Edited by mutha3 (4985 posts) -

Someone hasn't been reading the P4:Golden spoiler thread :P
 
 But yeah, this kinda stuff just makes me embarrassed to play these games. Vanilla P4 had its moments, but I'd just cringe, roll my eyes, and be done with it.
 
You haven't heard all of it, btw. There's, like, a billion new waifu scenes. And you haven't mentioned that there's 2 nonsensical bathouse episodes this time! and both are animated! If your favorite moments from P3/4 were the weird scenes where the girls get paraded around in bathing suits, this is the game for you --  because of the top of my head they added 2 scenes like that.

#26 Posted by Bartman3010 (443 posts) -

Nngh.

#27 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@Beforet said:

So, is it bad that my main problem with this fanservice is that I think it just looks incredibly unattractive?

I think you can blame that on P4's hideous 3D models. Trying to make that look sexy is pretty funny.
#28 Posted by Wampa1 (627 posts) -

With stuff like DOA it doesn't really bother me, since those characters are intended to be adults. With Persona it just feels that extra bit sleazy, and bizarre given that they ARE fully fleshed out characters.

#29 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

Someone hasn't been reading the P4:Golden spoiler thread :P But yeah, this kinda stuff just makes me embarrassed to play these games. Vanilla P4 had its moments, but I'd just cringe, roll my eyes, and be done with it. You haven't heard all of it, btw. There's, like, a billion new waifu scenes. And you haven't mentioned that there's 2 nonsensical bathouse episodes this time! and both are animated! If your favorite moments from P3/4 were the weird scenes where the girls get paraded around in bathing suits, this is the game for you -- because of the top of my head they added 3 scenes like that.

UGH.

God fucking dammit, really Atlus? You can't have enough confidence in the fact that your game is fucking awesome that you need to try and sell me on Chie lust?

#30 Posted by ervonymous (1297 posts) -
What seems to be the problem here?
#31 Posted by The_Ruiner (1023 posts) -

Nobody's forcing them on you....

#32 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -

@ervonymous: Honestly I would've expected Kanji to have way more of a package.

#33 Posted by Hailinel (23986 posts) -

@ervonymous said:

What seems to be the problem here?

CROTCH BULGE DETECTED.

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#34 Posted by RE_Player1 (7551 posts) -

I love all the new content.

#35 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:

@ervonymous: Honestly I would've expected Kanji to have way more of a package.

Let me remind you: Horrendous looking 3D models. Doesn't leave much room for detail!
 
Makes you wonder if P5 on a home-console will look as good as Catherine did.
 
#36 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4934 posts) -

It always makes me smile when someone goes "Oh Japan"

So stupid.

#37 Edited by mao16 (107 posts) -

Fanservice and Japan go hand in hand. If you think this is bad the more fanservice heavy manga and animes now days are more perverted then most porn. Things keep getting more extreme each year, so of course it's going to cross over to other media. Maybe i'm just used to it by now but hey crude fanservice heavy, perverted, comedy anime just keeps on getting better (for the most part). Just know the genre you're getting into beforehand.

#38 Posted by CaLe (3916 posts) -

Looks like a typical pervert game to me. Made for perverts and enjoyed by perverts.

#39 Edited by TobbRobb (4581 posts) -

I was gonna go ahead and say that you were silly, but that Naoto one.... Maaaaaan. Just no. At least the other ones had some style.

Also, I approve of Kanji in speedos.

Oh yeah, this doesn't bother me, it was a bit weird in P3, but, eh. Won't make a good game bad. This entire game is pretty much the fanservice version anyways, everyone who wanted to has already played the orignal. It's not likely that it's going to be the first taste of Persona for a lot of people.

EDIT: Also, I love all of these "they are underage!" comments.

First analyse where you live, then consider where the game is made and where most of the audience lives. THEN additionally consider that the majority of the world probably don't follow the exact same rules as the Glorious united states. As long as they are over 15, I have nothing at all to be ashamed of.

#40 Edited by ervonymous (1297 posts) -

@iAmJohn: Fair point.

I don't see why this stuff is more offensive to anyone than the bikini shots and the mandatory bath scene in the original, and I didn't get riled up about them either. Not being derogatory in any way, but we are talking about a Japanese RPG with social simulation aspects to it. You can summon a huge cock to cast Agidyne on BDSM Shadows chained to a giant saw blade.

#41 Edited by Canteu (2821 posts) -

Not nearly enough Naked Cartoon Pussy for my taste.

It's pretty much the same as P3, so it's not that much of a big deal.

edit: also this is a thing in that game

#42 Edited by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@ervonymous said:

@iAmJohn: Fair point.

I don't see why this stuff more offensive to anyone than the bikini shots and the mandatory bath scene in the original, and I didn't get riled up about them either.

That stuff was weird and creepy too, but there wasn't a lot of it. 
 
They've added a lot of it now. And that sucks.  I was super disappointed to find out that "40% extra voice work!" thing ended up being fanservice for the most part.
 

@Canteu


Pretty sure P3 didn't have 2 animated cutscenes off hotspring hijinks with boobs flying around errywhere.
#43 Posted by Demoskinos (14596 posts) -
@McGhee

The more naked anime high school girls I see, the better.

Words to live by.
#44 Posted by Silvergun (297 posts) -

It could be worse. It could be Ar Tonelico...

#45 Posted by Alexandru (301 posts) -

Halo 4 now this... will anything please you people?

#46 Edited by Canteu (2821 posts) -

@mutha3: No, but, it had the kinky armour, and it had the strange Fuuka surveillance video.

#47 Posted by pyromagnestir (4254 posts) -

@CaLe said:

Looks like a typical pervert game to me. Made for perverts and enjoyed by perverts.

Well I guess that means it's time to buy a Vita...

My whole party shall wear the suits from that last picture, except for Kanji.

@ervonymous said:

What seems to be the problem here?

I see no problems from where I'm sitting.

#48 Posted by ervonymous (1297 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

That stuff was weird and creepy too, but there wasn't a lot of it. They've added a lot of it now. And that sucks.

Well to be honest I only played the JP version up to the Mitsuo dungeon so I wouldn't know, but eh. I wouldn't have time for anything else if I got upset over every drawn or rendered teenage chick (OR DUDE) in a bikini.

#49 Posted by Neurotic (632 posts) -

Okay, I've slightly revised my position since seeing the bathhouse screenshots. They seem...unnecessary. The bathhouse scenes in the original were saved by being run on the in-game engine so that only degenerates could seriously get off on it but these seem to be nicely animated. Thank God for skippable cutscenes, I guess?

Let us remember that there is upwards of 80 hours of content in this game of which I'm sure the fanservice makes up very little.

#50 Posted by iAmJohn (6110 posts) -

@ervonymous said:

@iAmJohn: Fair point.

I don't see why this stuff is more offensive to anyone than the bikini shots and the mandatory bath scene in the original, and I didn't get riled up about them either. Not being derogatory in any way, but we are talking about a Japanese RPG with social simulation aspects to it. You can summon a huge cock to cast Agidyne on BDSM Shadows chained to a giant saw blade.

I think that kind of stuff got a little much in the original at times, too (seriously, what kind of school wouldn't shut down a student/teacher swimsuit competition before it even started?). But at least the original had some justification for a lot of the super fanservicey nonsense in there. Scenes like King's Game and the first bathing suit scene (or even the earlier parts of the pageant) at least have some semblance of reality in that these are a bunch of horny teenagers who are really close with each other so of course they're going to pull this kind of subterfuge to get as much all up on each other as possible.

The new stuff kind of crosses a line, though. Who the fuck would wear that kind of crazy lady battle armor in real life? And the new bath scenes are basically Yukari's shower scene from Persona 3 - this adds nothing to the story or the characters and is here because you thought I (not Minato; I as the player) would be down with seeing the love interest mostly naked.

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