The new fanservice is gross.

#51 Edited by mutha3 (4986 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ: Hey....wait a second. Now that I actually clicked the pictures in the OP -- I'm fairly sure they censored it a bit!  
 
http://www.giantbomb.com/persona-4-golden/61-36273/dont-spoil-persona-4-goldenpersona-4-golden-spoiler-thread/35-550684/?page=13  (digging this up took way too long, btw,  christ.) 
 
Weird.
 
@ervonymous said:

. I wouldn't have time for anything else if I got upset over every drawn or rendered teenage chick (OR DUDE) in a bikini.


...? This is a weird thing to say.
#52 Edited by Canteu (2821 posts) -

@iAmJohn: I cannot believe i forgot about the Yukari Shower scene.

I guess the Persona team are just a bit weird.

Edit: Theres even the damn part with naked Mitsuru!

#53 Edited by Itwastuesday (975 posts) -

I will make the same skeeved-out face at this that I make at all Japanese fan service, including all of the weird fan service-y moments in the original game!

#54 Posted by Dawglet (312 posts) -

This is all creepy and sucks but I don't think anything will be able to top that fucking robot fingering scene in P3FES.

That was horrible just because of how sincere they were trying to be with it.

#55 Posted by Viking_Funeral (1817 posts) -

I didn't think it was that bad until I saw Naoto.

Holy crap, that neither looks comfortable to wear nor flattering. That said, it's Japan, and the gaming market has never been particularly welcoming to women. Not that all women object to this, but I dare you to grab a random woman and try to get her to play this game with those costumes enabled. Odds will not be in your favor.

#56 Posted by ervonymous (1297 posts) -

@iAmJohn said:

I think that kind of stuff got a little much in the original at times, too (seriously, what kind of school wouldn't shut down a student/teacher swimsuit competition before it even started?). But at least the original had some justification for a lot of the super fanservicey nonsense in there. Scenes like King's Game and the first bathing suit scene (or even the earlier parts of the pageant) at least have some semblance of reality in that these are a bunch of horny teenagers who are really close with each other so of course they're going to pull this kind of subterfuge to get as much all up on each other as possible.

The new stuff kind of crosses a line, though. Who the fuck would wear that kind of crazy lady battle armor in real life? And the new bath scenes are basically Yukari's shower scene from Persona 3 - this adds nothing to the story or the characters and is here because you thought I (not Minato; I as the player) would be down with seeing the love interest mostly naked.

I guess I found the 'going in to the Television World to summon otherworldly demons to do my bidding' part to be so far removed from reality that I didn't spend too much time rationalizing it. I totally see why Naoto's ass crack bothers you but it doesn't even register to me, sorry.

#57 Posted by iAmJohn (6128 posts) -

@Dawglet said:

This is all creepy and sucks but I don't think anything will be able to top that fucking robot fingering scene in P3FES.

That was horrible just because of how sincere they were trying to be with it.

That at least had the benefit of being something they played so straight that you couldn't help but laugh at it.

#58 Edited by mutha3 (4986 posts) -
@Dawglet said:

 how sincere they were trying to be with it.

It also made that scene really, really funny.
 
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@iAmJohn said:

@Dawglet said:

This is all creepy and sucks but I don't think anything will be able to top that fucking robot fingering scene in P3FES.

That was horrible just because of how sincere they were trying to be with it.

That at least had the benefit of being something they played so straight that you couldn't help but laugh at it.


WE MENTALLY CONNECTED NOW
#59 Posted by Mesoian (1574 posts) -

It's not gross.

It's tacky. Those outfit are extremely tacky. Fanservice that looks good is one thing, Fanservice that just putting a character into a rather ugly revealing outfit is tacky.

#60 Posted by JasonR86 (9742 posts) -

@Canteu said:

@mutha3: No, but, it had the kinky armour, and it had the strange Fuuka surveillance video.

That video. What the fuck?

#61 Posted by Spuirrel (86 posts) -

WHY ARE THERE NOT MORE LADY GAMERS!

#62 Posted by Wes899 (2119 posts) -

Sold.

#63 Posted by Lazyaza (2196 posts) -

As long as its optional who cares, that stuff is there for the people who want it. No one is being harmed or forced to experience said content form what I can tell.

#64 Posted by Canteu (2821 posts) -

@JasonR86: Can't you tell? She's coming...to answer the door.

#65 Posted by mutha3 (4986 posts) -
@Lazyaza said:

As long as its optional who cares, that stuff is there for the people who want it. No one is being harmed or forced to experience said content form what I can tell.

The new scenes aren't optional, tho.
#66 Posted by Wes899 (2119 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

@Lazyaza said:

As long as its optional who cares, that stuff is there for the people who want it. No one is being harmed or forced to experience said content form what I can tell.

The new scenes aren't optional, tho.

But the new scenes are so impossibly tame and harmless, why does it matter?

#67 Posted by Canteu (2821 posts) -
#68 Posted by Term (83 posts) -

@mutha3: It's not that the pictures in the OP were censored, it's the pictures in that thread that have had their brightness/contrast adjusted so you can see more. You can tell it by looking at the tiles on the wall in "uncensored" versions.

Anyhow, my take on it is just cultural differences and Japan being Japan. The video game and anime industries over there are very much into pandering to the lowest common denominator in the effort to wring out all the sweet otaku cash they can. It's also worth noting that age of consent in Japan is 13, if I recall correctly.

#69 Posted by JasonR86 (9742 posts) -

@Canteu said:

@JasonR86: Can't you tell? She's coming...to answer the door.

That's not the thing I'm questioning. It's a rhetorical "what the fuck?" and not a real question.

#70 Edited by Canteu (2821 posts) -

@JasonR86: Hey guess what, I can do rhetoric too!

#71 Posted by JasonR86 (9742 posts) -

@Canteu said:

@JasonR86: Hey guess what, I can do rhetoric too!

Bullshit!

#72 Posted by Canteu (2821 posts) -

@JasonR86: No, really! Look, see?

#73 Edited by mutha3 (4986 posts) -
@Wes899 said:

But the new scenes are so impossibly tame and harmless, why does it matter?

It makes me cringe. I don't like. Its dumb. ETC. ETC.
 
But really, I'm mostly disappointed because I was kinda hoping for some meaningful new story content when they announced that P4G was gonna have  1.4 times the VA, but there ain't none of that.
 
@Canteu
Now there ya go!  the Aigis scene is a good example to use of P3 being creepy(.......in a really funny way). That  Fuuka scene, though? Legit funny and nothing weird 'bout it.
 
@Term said:

@mutha3:  It's also worth noting that age of consent in Japan is 13, if I recall correctly.

In practice, this doesn't end up working out for would-be pedophiles(*cue caterwauling about ephebophiles*) local laws pretty much universally have the age of consent set way higher. Or so I've heard.
#74 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19371 posts) -

@Lazyaza said:

As long as its optional who cares, that stuff is there for the people who want it. No one is being harmed or forced to experience said content form what I can tell.

The bathhouse scenes are not optional.

#75 Posted by Grimhild (723 posts) -

@Spuirrel said:

WHY ARE THERE NOT MORE LADY GAMERS!

Made me laugh.

@Term said:

Anyhow, my take on it is just cultural differences and Japan being Japan. The video game and anime industries over there are very much into pandering to the lowest common denominator in the effort to wring out all the sweet otaku cash they can. It's also worth noting that age of consent in Japan is 13, if I recall correctly.

Sort of. It gets slightly complicated. But you are correct in your statement that the cultural differences play an enormous role in this. Probably more than most people assume.

This should help:

http://legal.3yen.com/2005-07-27/is-the-age-of-consent-in-japan-really-13/

#76 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4420 posts) -

Eww

#77 Edited by ervonymous (1297 posts) -

By virtue of them adding more content to the game didn't you expect that to include some haphazardly rendered buttocks as well? This ain't exactly Battlefield, skimpy clothes and a couple bonus creepy scenes seem par for the course.

What's actually weird is that they made fusing demons so effortless.

#78 Posted by Wes899 (2119 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

@Wes899 said:

But the new scenes are so impossibly tame and harmless, why does it matter?

It makes me cringe. I don't like. Its dumb. ETC. ETC.

But really, I'm mostly disappointed because I was kinda hoping for some meaningful new story content when they announced that P4G was gonna have 1.4 times the VA, but there ain't none of that.

@Canteu: Now there ya go! the Aigis scene is a good example to use of P3 being creepy(.......in a really funny way). That Fuuka scene, though? Legit funny and nothing weird 'bout it.

Oh. I assumed it'd be this from the start so I guess I have different expectations for what is essentially a Special Edition of a game made in Japan. I can't think of a re-release of a Japanese game that actually got meaningful new content, aside from FES I guess but that was forever ago.

#79 Posted by Cathryn (549 posts) -

I am definitely not the intended audience for the stuff, but I don't think the costumes are really much worse than the Battle Panties in Persona 3, which never got more from me than a brief eyeroll. I'd say the bath scene is pushing it a bit more than I'd care to see, but I don't find it offensive -- it is what it is, and this sort of thing is hardly new.

#80 Posted by MikkaQ (10317 posts) -

Those secret agent suits make all of it worth it.

#81 Posted by Ersanven (91 posts) -

Naoto's outfit goes entirely against her reverse trap charm. I am emphatically against it!

#82 Edited by Superkenon (1459 posts) -

I hate it. But it's not hurting anything, other than making the series look desperate where it really doesn't need to. But, easy titillation = easy money, so there we go.

Doesn't help that those costumes just look dumb as heck anyway, and not even in the good way.

EDIT: Except the business suits. I'll take those any day.

#83 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -

Meh. It's there for those who want it. I mean, you can skip the cutscenes, so what's the problem?

#84 Posted by AlexW00d (6306 posts) -

The more people posts about these fucking games the more I think you're all paedophiles or something. Those are quite clearly children in skimpy outfits. That is weird on every single level.

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#85 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (3108 posts) -

It seems like they're just covering all the bases. There's fanservice for the guys, fanservice for the girls (if they animated Kanji in a bathing suit, everyone wins), and a bunch of other bizarre costume choices that seem like they basically just included everything they thought of. I don't have a real problem with it.

#86 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

Where's the skimpy Dojima outfit?!

#87 Posted by Superkenon (1459 posts) -

@TeflonBilly said:

Where's the skimpy Dojima outfit?!

This, on the other hand...............

#88 Posted by JZ (2125 posts) -

He chie might actually grow into a women yet.

#89 Posted by Lazyaza (2196 posts) -

@Wes899 said:

@mutha3 said:

@Lazyaza said:

As long as its optional who cares, that stuff is there for the people who want it. No one is being harmed or forced to experience said content form what I can tell.

The new scenes aren't optional, tho.

But the new scenes are so impossibly tame and harmless, why does it matter?

Well eh, the scene seems incredibly censored to me so whatever. They're somewhat objectifying their characters sure but that's just always been less of an issue in Japan anyway, people in US etc tend to be way more knee-jerky to such material. Imo if the scene wasn't within the context of a bathhouse it would be worth getting mad about but if they feel a bit of fan service will help sell more copies then that's their business decision.

Also before anyone replies with "but omg dood they're not even 18 blah blah" they're cartoon characters and the game isn't exactly trying to be realistic in other respects so it shouldn't be treated as such. Its just dumb and pandering like any anime with such things, if its that offensive to you don't buy the game or send a formal complaint to Atlas.

#90 Posted by Milkman (17029 posts) -

Boo this shit. Fucking dumb.

#91 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

@Superkenon said:

@TeflonBilly said:

Where's the skimpy Dojima outfit?!

This, on the other hand...............

He needs a tearaway cop uniform. Like a stripper!

#92 Posted by Milkman (17029 posts) -

@ervonymous said:

What seems to be the problem here?

Wait, I take back everything I said.

#93 Posted by Superkenon (1459 posts) -

@TeflonBilly said:

He needs a tearaway cop uniform. Like a stripper!

Now we know what he really does during all those late evenings...

#94 Posted by mao16 (107 posts) -

If only the new stuff was included in the anime.

#95 Edited by Encephalon (1285 posts) -

It's just the Persona team doubling down on their otaku constituency. I abhor it, sure, but with stuff like the bath house excursion in vanilla P4, it does not overly surprise me that they're cool with a bit of pandering.

#96 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

@Superkenon said:

@TeflonBilly said:

He needs a tearaway cop uniform. Like a stripper!

Now we know what he really does during all those late evenings...

Persona 4: Magic Mike Edition, now with 40% more Kanji nosebleeds

#97 Posted by Laurentech (127 posts) -

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

#98 Posted by Superkenon (1459 posts) -

@TeflonBilly said:

Persona 4: Magic Mike Edition, now with 40% more Kanji nosebleeds

"Get bent... for a dollar."

#99 Edited by ShiftyMagician (2131 posts) -

Yea the content in question is very disappointing. It just lowers the quality of the whole thing in my opinion as it never needed it, does nothing for the story from the looks of it and is obviously there to get more of that perverted otaku money that is lucrative to all who are interested. I don't think they had much choice though in its inclusion though let's be honest (likely dictated more by money or the fans than higher-ups though I'm speculating really), because adding fanservice in any anime-based product is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of thing these days. Damned if you do by people who are morally against it or just wish for content that doesn't rely on the "sex sells even for underage girls" thing that dominates most anime nowadays. Damned if you don't by the audience that likes or even disturbingly craves such things and will pay handsomely for it and are unfortunately a very reliable source of revenue for a good chunk of anime studios.

#100 Posted by mutha3 (4986 posts) -
@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. 
 
Adachi would totally be on top.

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