The new fanservice is gross.

#101 Posted by Animasta (14464 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. Adachi would totally be on top.

surely there has to be a doujin of this right

#102 Posted by ervonymous (1232 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@mutha3 said:

@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. Adachi would totally be on top.

surely there has to be a doujin of this right

I guess you could just flip it upside down.

#103 Posted by OllyOxenFree (4969 posts) -

I dunno. It just seems like typical Japanese anime pandering to its otaku audience. Not a big deal. Just use whatever costumes that do not offend you and skip the cutscenes that are mere fan service.

#104 Posted by mutha3 (4980 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@mutha3 said:

@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. Adachi would totally be on top.

surely there has to be a doujin of this right

YO HOOK US UP

#105 Edited by Karmosin (199 posts) -

Ehm... Yeah it's too bad that they felt compelled to put in more ecchi-stuff. The original had some, but it didn't feel that bad really, it was mostly played for laughs and for effect in the TV-world sequences. But yeah.... Those outfits are... Wrong...

Those tuxedos looks friggin awesome though, will totally rock that if I ever get the game.

#106 Posted by believer258 (11061 posts) -

@ervonymous said:

By virtue of them adding more content to the game didn't you expect that to include some haphazardly rendered buttocks as well? This ain't exactly Battlefield, skimpy clothes and a couple bonus creepy scenes seem par for the course.

What's actually weird is that they made fusing demons so effortless.

I don't want to see this in Battlefield, but I definitely want to see the reaction to something like this in Battlefield. All the military dudes stop for a hot tub scene? And then the reaction from all of the insecure Middle and High school kids? Ha, that'd be hilarious.

#107 Edited by Turambar (6489 posts) -

Didn't we already have a thread on this very issue for P4Golden a while back?  Anyways, since the iirc, male characters also have costumes that are tiny speedos, I don't have much of a problem with it.  Unnecessary?  Sure.  But so are the outfits that you consider great looking like the MIB suits.  
 
And really, who is going to be using anything other than the Super Sentai outfits?
 
Edit: also, for the bathhouse images, who is that 5th girl in the third picture?

#108 Posted by Phatmac (5686 posts) -

I hope Jeff sees this stuff and gets really angry at it. I agree with you Flux, this stuff is gross. Why Japan, why?

#109 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5122 posts) -

I find the lack of people bothered by this to be disturbing.

Anime fans...

#110 Edited by mutha3 (4980 posts) -

@Turambar said:

Didn't we already have a thread on this very issue for P4Golden a while back?

You're probably thinking of the spoiler thread.

(and word on the Sentai thing.)

also, for the bathhouse images, who is that 5th girl in the third picture?

Marie.

@PeasantAbuse said:

I find the lack of people bothered

Did you even read this thread?

#111 Posted by Turambar (6489 posts) -
@Animasta said:

@mutha3 said:

@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. Adachi would totally be on top.

surely there has to be a doujin of this right

Not quite the same, but ask and you shall recieve.
 
http://adachi-dojima.livejournal.com/
#112 Posted by ervonymous (1232 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@ervonymous said:

By virtue of them adding more content to the game didn't you expect that to include some haphazardly rendered buttocks as well? This ain't exactly Battlefield, skimpy clothes and a couple bonus creepy scenes seem par for the course.

What's actually weird is that they made fusing demons so effortless.

I don't want to see this in Battlefield, but I definitely want to see the reaction to something like this in Battlefield. All the military dudes stop for a hot tub scene? And then the reaction from all of the insecure Middle and High school kids? Ha, that'd be hilarious.

Now that's an expansion I'd buy a season pass for.

#113 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4658 posts) -

Yeah, fuck that noise. Goes against the tone of the original game completely. It panders to the creepy otaku that many anime are getting made for these days.

Why else would they add those? As a massive Persona 4 fan I have absolutely no desire to see that and the characters would never go into battle dressed like that.

#114 Posted by Turambar (6489 posts) -
@believer258 said:

@ervonymous said:

By virtue of them adding more content to the game didn't you expect that to include some haphazardly rendered buttocks as well? This ain't exactly Battlefield, skimpy clothes and a couple bonus creepy scenes seem par for the course.

What's actually weird is that they made fusing demons so effortless.

I don't want to see this in Battlefield, but I definitely want to see the reaction to something like this in Battlefield. All the military dudes stop for a hot tub scene? And then the reaction from all of the insecure Middle and High school kids? Ha, that'd be hilarious.

Someone find the Bombcast clip where they staff read an e-mail that included a Marcus/Dom kiss scene, stat.
#115 Posted by InfiniteGeass (2042 posts) -

I like fanservice so I'm OK with this.

#116 Posted by rjayb89 (7713 posts) -

I knew they were all very dirty girls on the inside.

Especially Chie
Online
#117 Edited by Term (83 posts) -

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

Yeah, fuck that noise. Goes against the tone of the original game completely. It panders to the creepy otaku that many anime are getting made for these days.

Why else would they add those? As a massive Persona 4 fan I have absolutely no desire to see that and the characters would never go into battle dressed like that.

Swimming at the school camp out, the strip club dungeon and Rise's Shadow, the beauty pageant and the hot springs afterwards...

I agree it's pandering, but to say it's out of place in the game is a bit disingenuous.

#118 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19175 posts) -

@Term said:

the strip club dungeon and Rise's Shadow

You've gotta be kidding with this example.

#119 Posted by mutha3 (4980 posts) -
@Term said:

The strip club dungeon and Rise's Shadow

...Nah.
#120 Edited by artgarcrunkle (971 posts) -

Yeah, flat asses are gross. Chies up Naotos down.

#121 Posted by SuperWristBands (2265 posts) -

Stuff in the OP definitely seems unnecessary and that Naoto outfit is just terrible regardless of how awkward it is in the narrative.
 
That being said, everyone is suits is fucking amazing.

#122 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4658 posts) -

@Term said:

@ImmortalSaiyan said:

Yeah, fuck that noise. Goes against the tone of the original game completely. It panders to the creepy otaku that many anime are getting made for these days.

Why else would they add those? As a massive Persona 4 fan I have absolutely no desire to see that and the characters would never go into battle dressed like that.

Swimming at the school camp out, the strip club dungeon and Rise's Shadow, the beauty pageant and the hot springs afterwards...

I agree it's pandering, but to say it's out of place in the game is a bit disingenuous.

It's a tone thing. The strip club and rise shadow are theere for character devolpment. Very well handled in fact. The beauty pageant is a funny aside that no one in the game takes seriously. The hot springs I don't remember.

These costumes come across as otaku pandering.

#123 Posted by Term (83 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ: @mutha3: While it does have narrative justification, you can't really deny that it sexualizes Rise? I mean, that's kind of the entire point.

#124 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4658 posts) -

@Term said:

@FluxWaveZ: @mutha3: While it does have narrative justification, you can't really deny that it sexualizes Rise? I mean, that's kind of the entire point.

She is not sexualized for the us, the audience of the game. That is how she feels she is viewed by others.

#125 Edited by mutha3 (4980 posts) -
@Term said:

@FluxWaveZ: @mutha3: I mean, that's kind of the entire point.

Exactly.
 
I take issue with calling that pandering or saying it was uncalled for in the context of the game.  Your other examples are just plain ol' anime pandering, this one isn't.
#126 Posted by ChrisTaran (1489 posts) -

Meh. No opinion either way, but certainly not 'gross'.

#127 Posted by golguin (3672 posts) -

You must be new to anime or something. That is all very tame stuff. I also hate to be that guy, but that stuff was posted here a while back and I don't think people really cared.

#128 Posted by Term (83 posts) -

@ImmortalSaiyan: It's still portraying her as a sex object. I don't see much of a distinction in that regard.

@mutha3: I probably should have worded it better. You're right in that it wasn't necessarily pandering, but it fits with them sexualizing teenagers.

#129 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19175 posts) -

@golguin said:

You must be new to anime or something. That is all very tame stuff. I also hate to be that guy, but that stuff was posted here a while back and I don't think people really cared.

  1. Point me to the thread discussing this issue, because for all I know they were posted in the "Spoiler" thread. Not a thread aimed at a general audience.
  2. No, I am not new to anime. I'm not sure you read the OP, since I explained perfectly well why I am not a fan of this kind of content in regards to Persona 4.
#130 Posted by Flappy (2037 posts) -

Like some others said, I'll just pick and choose what I want to wear. The skimpy stuff for the females? Probably not. The suits, on the other hand? Hell yeah!

#131 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4658 posts) -

@Term said:

@ImmortalSaiyan: It's still portraying her as a sex object. I don't see much of a distinction in that regard.

@mutha3: I probably should have worded it better. You're right in that it wasn't necessarily pandering, but it fits with them sexualizing teenagers.

I see that as a massive difference. The reasoning behind it is what i'm referring to. Story relevence is different than being made entirely to ogle at.

#132 Posted by golguin (3672 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

@golguin said:

You must be new to anime or something. That is all very tame stuff. I also hate to be that guy, but that stuff was posted here a while back and I don't think people really cared.

  1. Point me to the thread discussing this issue, because for all I know they were posted in the "Spoiler" thread. Not a thread aimed at a general audience.
  2. No, I am not new to anime. I'm not sure you read the OP, since I explained perfectly well why I am not a fan of this kind of content in regards to Persona 4.

1. Yes, I am referring to the spoiler thread. Several people in the thread have already pointed that out, but I hadn't read through the whole thread yet.

2. Persona 4 already had fanservice. Now it has a bit more. None of it seems out of place.

#133 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19175 posts) -

@golguin said:

1. Yes, I am referring to the spoiler thread. Several people in the thread have already pointed that out, but I hadn't read through the whole thread yet.

2. Persona 4 already had fanservice. Now it has a bit more. None of it seems out of place.

  1. And I've explained why the spoiler thread isn't open to a general audience to discuss this.
  2. Again, I explain that P4 already had fanservice in the OP. Read it.
#134 Posted by golguin (3672 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

@golguin said:

1. Yes, I am referring to the spoiler thread. Several people in the thread have already pointed that out, but I hadn't read through the whole thread yet.

2. Persona 4 already had fanservice. Now it has a bit more. None of it seems out of place.

  1. And I've explained why the spoiler thread isn't open to a general audience to discuss this.
  2. Again, I explain that P4 already had fanservice in the OP. Read it.

1. Persona 4 isn't a general audience game. It's always been niche. It just happened to go past and new people are wondering why this and that are shown who are not familiar with typical anime tropes. I suggest you take a trip to the anime discussion thread in the off topic forum if you really want to see stuff to get upset about. Persona 4 is a lot of things. It's also fanservice.

2. I read your opening post from the very beginning. I stand by my comment by your reaction to this.

#135 Posted by golguin (3672 posts) -

If it makes you feel any better I recently watched Dance In The Vampire Bund and I said that it was unfortunate that it had a character that looked like a little girl being naked in several scenes, but I accepted it. High School of the Dead is another one that has elements that take away its chances at having a wider appeal.

#136 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19175 posts) -

@golguin:

  1. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It's a spoiler thread. Even I, who has the most posts in the P4G forums, has been avoiding that thread because I've been avoiding spoilers. This is why it's just been brought to my attention and why I'm just making this thread. The reason I can guarantee you that there's more discussion on the topic in this thread compared to the other is because: this is this thread's main topic and that people can enter it without fear of spoilers.
  2. And alright, I am perfectly fine with that since that's your opinion. My opinion is that this is different than some of the fanservice material in the first game.
#137 Posted by Bocam (3563 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

@Animasta said:

@mutha3 said:

@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. Adachi would totally be on top.

surely there has to be a doujin of this right

YO HOOK US UP

Google "[OSOVA] With [ENG] [Yaoi]" It's the only English Dojima/Adachi doujin I could find

@FluxWaveZ said:

@golguin said:

1. Yes, I am referring to the spoiler thread. Several people in the thread have already pointed that out, but I hadn't read through the whole thread yet.

2. Persona 4 already had fanservice. Now it has a bit more. None of it seems out of place.

  1. And I've explained why the spoiler thread isn't open to a general audience to discuss this.
  2. Again, I explain that P4 already had fanservice in the OP. Read it.

I find it weird how "sexual" P4G is in comparison to the original game.

#138 Posted by Mcfart (1429 posts) -

As long as I can get my party members to wear top hats, I'm happy.

#139 Posted by TeflonBilly (4722 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. Adachi would totally be on top.

Yeah, but Dojima is a power bottom

#140 Posted by Term (83 posts) -

@Bocam said:

@FluxWaveZ said:

@golguin said:

1. Yes, I am referring to the spoiler thread. Several people in the thread have already pointed that out, but I hadn't read through the whole thread yet.

2. Persona 4 already had fanservice. Now it has a bit more. None of it seems out of place.

  1. And I've explained why the spoiler thread isn't open to a general audience to discuss this.
  2. Again, I explain that P4 already had fanservice in the OP. Read it.

I find it weird how "sexual" P4G is in comparison to the original game.

I'd argue it's not that much more sexual at all. Sexual themes run strongly throughout the original. It's an M rated game with no gore, afterall. The only real difference is the new throwaway outfits.

#141 Posted by david3cm (635 posts) -

I am surprised by how ok the people on this message board are with the sexualization of underage girls. Personally i find this pretty gross.

#142 Posted by Bocam (3563 posts) -

@Term said:

@Bocam said:

@FluxWaveZ said:

@golguin said:

1. Yes, I am referring to the spoiler thread. Several people in the thread have already pointed that out, but I hadn't read through the whole thread yet.

2. Persona 4 already had fanservice. Now it has a bit more. None of it seems out of place.

  1. And I've explained why the spoiler thread isn't open to a general audience to discuss this.
  2. Again, I explain that P4 already had fanservice in the OP. Read it.

I find it weird how "sexual" P4G is in comparison to the original game.

I'd argue it's not that much more sexual at all. Sexual themes run strongly throughout the original. It's an M rated game with no gore, afterall. The only real difference is the new throwaway outfits.

Almost all of the new S.Link scenes are sexual in nature.

#143 Posted by Nightriff (4382 posts) -

I always use the best armor not matter what, so when I come across better armor I use it. Same thing happened in P3P, they had the swimsuit armor on for a brief period and eventually upgraded, its not that big of an issue. The bath house stuff.....more questionable, depends how long it lasts really.

#144 Posted by Hunter5024 (5180 posts) -

@david3cm said:

I am surprised by how ok the people on this message board are with the sexualization of underage girls. Personally i find this pretty gross.

Well they aren't real girls, so I don't really understand what there is to be up in arms about when it comes to their age. It's not like anime characters ever look their age anyways.

#145 Posted by Voxus (282 posts) -

BUTTCRACK POLICE

Seriously people, this isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Did anyone actually use the maid outfits in FES anyway?

#146 Edited by mutha3 (4980 posts) -
@Bocam said:

@mutha3 said:

@Animasta said:

@mutha3 said:

@Laurentech said:

If there isn't Dojima bending Adachi over a desk and letting him have it, then I'm not interested.

Pfffffttttft. Adachi would totally be on top.

surely there has to be a doujin of this right

YO @Bocam HOOK US UP

Google "[OSOVA] With [ENG] [Yaoi]" It's the only English Dojima/Adachi doujin I could find



See? I knew I could count on him.

@Term

said:

The only real difference is the new throwaway outfits.

And the huge increase in waifu scenes and creepy scenes where the girls are naked for no reason.
 

@Hunter5024

said:

. It's not like anime characters ever look their age anyways.

Depends on the style.
#147 Posted by Bocam (3563 posts) -

@Hunter5024 said:

@david3cm said:

I am surprised by how ok the people on this message board are with the sexualization of underage girls. Personally i find this pretty gross.

Well they aren't real girls, so I don't really understand what there is to be up in arms about when it comes to their age. It's not like anime characters ever look their age anyways.

Also by Japan's standards they are not underage.

#148 Edited by Term (83 posts) -

@Bocam: So were the lover's route Rank 10's and the Christmas event. It's nothing new. (Actually, I don't remember how sexual the Rank 10's were in P4, but they were for sure in P3)

Edit: Bleh, this thread moves fast.

#149 Posted by Demoskinos (13907 posts) -

All this hub bub reminds me I bought P3FES on PSN and have never touched it. I should get to that....then again I have about a dozen JRPG's on PS3 that I have yet to touch.

#150 Edited by TooWalrus (12986 posts) -

I've played/watched just about everything P4 has to offer at this point, so my immediate reaction was "I KNOW these girls, and this definitely isn't something they'd be into!" ...but after thinking about it for a bit, I doesn't really bother me. The suits are optional, and there's such a variety of new armor that I feel like they're probably just trying to put something in for everybody, not just lure people in with sex. I'm not sure what the context is for the bathhouse scene, but it doesn't really seem much more out-of-place than the hot springs scene (especially in the Anime). This is my first time seeing this stuff, and while it might be slightly disappointing, I'm not going to condemn it, I'm still just as excited as ever for P4:G.

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