How Dark Do You Believe Persona 5 Will Get In Its Story?

Posted by LurchenGamer (18 posts) 5 months, 14 days ago

Poll: How Dark Do You Believe Persona 5 Will Get In Its Story? (168 votes)

Not Dark at all 5%
Similar to the level of Darkness of P4 26%
Around P3 level 31%
Darker than the two most recent iterations 39%
#1 Posted by Beforet (2918 posts) -

I'm gonna say darker than either. I'm not privy to what the advertising for 3 and 4 were, but the teaser image they've shown hasn't exactly been sunshine, rainbow, and wackiness.

#2 Posted by Darkstalker (896 posts) -

I'm guessing you'll be playing slightly older people (college students ) so the game will reflect that. Maybe not darker but much more mature

#3 Posted by Willin (1280 posts) -

@darkstalker: They've already said it high school students.

#4 Posted by afabs515 (1021 posts) -

I hope its around P3 in terms of story darkness. I didn't realize what a difference there was between the tones of 3 and 4 until now. Every picture of persona 4 seems to be super bright and colorful, but P3 was just dark. I kind of want to see a more... serious (?) story than P4, but not one that takes itself as seriously as P3. Somewhere in the middle would be nice.

#5 Posted by FLStyle (4667 posts) -
@beforet said:

I'm gonna say darker than either. I'm not privy to what the advertising for 3 and 4 were, but the teaser image they've shown hasn't exactly been sunshine, rainbow, and wackiness.

It's not related to Persona 5's story.

#6 Edited by Darkstalker (896 posts) -

@willin: good to know .

I'm still thinking a more mature story. I'd say something like the tone of 3 . Maybe a bit less dark

#7 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19330 posts) -

@flstyle said:
@beforet said:

I'm gonna say darker than either. I'm not privy to what the advertising for 3 and 4 were, but the teaser image they've shown hasn't exactly been sunshine, rainbow, and wackiness.

It's not related to Persona 5's story.

But like Hashino said, the image is thematically relevant to Persona 5.

#8 Edited by BIGJEFFREY (4984 posts) -

Emo cutter dark.

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#9 Posted by FLStyle (4667 posts) -

@flstyle said:
@beforet said:

I'm gonna say darker than either. I'm not privy to what the advertising for 3 and 4 were, but the teaser image they've shown hasn't exactly been sunshine, rainbow, and wackiness.

It's not related to Persona 5's story.

But like Hashino said, the image is thematically relevant to Persona 5.

In so far as a loose way of saying that shit will go down before things get better, sure. I recall that the main reasoning towards that image though was the relationship between the gamers and what he wants them to get out of Persona 5.

#10 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19330 posts) -

@flstyle said:

In so far as a loose way of saying that shit will go down before things get better, sure. I recall that the main reasoning towards that image though was the relationship between the gamers and what he wants them to get out of Persona 5.

Yeah, it's vague, but the thoughts behind that image were both: what Hashino wants to convey through Persona 5 as well as who he wants to speak to.

#11 Posted by TooWalrus (13178 posts) -

Out of the gate, it appears to be their darkest yet. Slavery is leagues darker than destruction. Though so far everything we've seen is merely symbolic so who knows what the hell this game is actually about. I liked Persona 3 much more than Persona 4 though, so I'm hoping Persona 5 goes dark.

#12 Posted by edsone (248 posts) -

What's with all the grumpiness? Let's hope for 'Animal Crossing light' :)

You get to visit each other's town, decorate your room, buy clothes, play minigames in the school clubs if bored and the villain will be some random company disposing toxic waste illegally in the city. Then they discover the truth behind the toxic material and then it gets 'Persona 2 dark'.

#13 Posted by SomeJerk (3218 posts) -

Animal Crossing with cock-chariot demons

#14 Edited by Hunter5024 (5639 posts) -

Hard to say. Kinda seems like they're going for something darker than the last two games, which I don't mind. I kind of hope you play the shitty kids at school this time. That would be a good way to differentiate from the last couple games. I wonder if Japanese schools even have the same kinds of shitty kids.

#15 Posted by InfiniteGeass (2053 posts) -

Rape and brutal murder everywhere the eye can see.

#16 Posted by pyrodactyl (1980 posts) -

Rape and brutal murder everywhere the eye can see.

So like persona 4?

#17 Posted by EXTomar (4687 posts) -

Define "dark". Was Persona 3 dark? Isn't this kind of like asking "How much small arms fire will the next Call of Duty have?"

#18 Edited by Jeust (10558 posts) -

Given the information available to the public, mostly:

Katsura Hashino was interviewed on the behalf of Atlus, the first question he was asked had to do with the teaser image that was released in order to announce the existence of persona 5. Hashino answered that the general theme of the game would be freedom. He also remised on today’s society.

“I feel that in today’s world there’s no shortage of people that are bored and discontent with their lives. They’re at a dead end, chained down to a world which they resent being a part [of]. Persona 5, in that sense is a game about freedom, the kind that these sorts of people haven’t had living in the real world,”.

from the article: http://www.obstructedviews.net/persona-5-a-red-game-about-freedom-and-made-for-the-discontent/

It should be at least as somber as Persona 3.

#19 Posted by LurchenGamer (18 posts) -

@extomar: My technical definition of the word "dark" is in complete relation to the subject material of which the game presents.

#20 Posted by Animasta (14675 posts) -

It will throw dark, let's just say that.

#21 Edited by probablytuna (3623 posts) -

I'm not sure how dark it got in P3 but I think it's probably gonna be a lot darker than P4.

#22 Posted by Aetheldod (3556 posts) -

Black Metal kind of dark :P

Ok more realisticly speaking , Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne or Digital Devil Saga dark

#23 Posted by Hunter5024 (5639 posts) -

@animasta said:

It will throw dark, let's just say that.

This post took me on a journey. Thank you.

#24 Edited by AlexanderSheen (4977 posts) -

“I feel that in today’s world there’s no shortage of people that are bored and discontent with their lives. They’re at a dead end, chained down to a world which they resent being a part [of]. Persona 5, in that sense is a game about freedom, the kind that these sorts of people haven’t had living in the real world,”.

Reading this gave me the weirdest idea:

*trailer guy says the following*

Imagine the life of an otaku who has at least 5 waifus, goes to the concerts of his favorite idol and dreams about having a Bankai. But the sad reality is, that he will never be able to interact with his waifus (doing thing to figurines don't count,) the idol he cheers for doesn't even know he exists and all he could get is Dan's shitty Hadouken. The realization of these facts lead him to a dark dark place...

But one day... all of that is about to change!

*a Michael Bay quality CG montage*

*Titlecard*

Persona 5: Shit Just Got Actually Real

#25 Posted by Animasta (14675 posts) -

“I feel that in today’s world there’s no shortage of people that are bored and discontent with their lives. They’re at a dead end, chained down to a world which they resent being a part [of]. Persona 5, in that sense is a game about freedom, the kind that these sorts of people haven’t had living in the real world,”.

Reading this gave me the weirdest idea:

*trailer guy says the following*

Imagine the life of an otaku who has at least 5 waifus, goes to the concerts of his favorite idol and dreams about having a Bankai. But the sad reality is, that he will never be able to interact with his waifus (doing thing to figurines don't count,) the idol he cheers for doesn't even know he exists and all he could get is Dan's shitty Hadouken. The realization of these facts lead him to a dark dark place...

But one day... all of that is about to change!

*a Michael Bay quality CG montage*

*Titlecard*

Persona 5: Shit Just Got Actually Real

That game already exists and it's called Chaos;Head.

#26 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4977 posts) -

@animasta: I haven't played the game but seen the anime. I don't remember much of it but what I do remember is that it's really bad.

#27 Posted by hermes (1424 posts) -

I think it will be darker than 4, but not by much.

I hope is not that heavy-handed. Persona 4 wasn't exactly an uplifting game, but I feel the more relaxed moments (like the festival) really sold me on the characters...

#28 Posted by Nightriff (5027 posts) -

It will go dark at some point and I believe it will be darker than 3 and 4

#29 Edited by ll_Exile_ll (1630 posts) -

Well, who can say what the game will wind up being, but considering I much prefer the tone of P3 over P4, I really hope P5 is closer to that.

#30 Posted by EXTomar (4687 posts) -

@extomar: My technical definition of the word "dark" is in complete relation to the subject material of which the game presents.

But what does that mean? FF13-3 is "very dark" by that definition.

#31 Posted by TheBluthCompany (385 posts) -

Bigger question: What adorable four legged animal will assist you this time?

Let's watch this dog summon fucking demons!
Who has an awesome bib on? You do!
How 'bout this guy?

Maybe...

#32 Posted by Viking_Funeral (1771 posts) -

It's hard to get much darker than Persona 3 without having a 'bad guys win' ending.

I'm replaying that game right now, and the game is just Death, Death, and a little extra Death. MC's family? All dead. Yuka's dad? Dead. Akihiko's entire family? Dead. Ken's family? Dead. Shijiro? Dead. Mitsuru's family aside from her dad? Dead. Koromaru's master? Dead. Aigis' sisters? Dead. A majority of the social links? Dead family members. Then guess what happens at the end? Hint: You die.

Death even visits you in your dreams. I would love to see them try and top that.

#33 Posted by WalkerTR77 (1362 posts) -

I think since P4 was about as merry as it gets, Atlus will want to reign in that vibe a little for P5. I'm not sure they'll go quite as far as the persistent dread/ themes of depression we got in P3 since P4 did so well but I expect it to be less cheery.

#34 Edited by LurchenGamer (18 posts) -

@extomar: Look. All I was trying to ask was how "dark" people felt the subject material of the game was going to get. I was just curious as to other people's opinions on the topic. I apologize that my question caused this unexpected confusion.

#35 Posted by hollitz (1506 posts) -

Most anime and video games have a real problem just letting things be upsetting and making you live with that. Persona 5 will probably be pretty grim at times but in the end the heroes will simply reject whatever dark themes are broached and you'll be able to walk away unchallenged. (Huge fan of Persona and anime by the way, just not too hopeful when it comes to narrative innovation.)

Then again, sometimes stuff like Berserk happens. The end of that series makes the Red Wedding seem like a Kirby's Epic Yarn.

#36 Posted by believer258 (11813 posts) -

@hollitz: You do know how P3 ends, right? The darker themes of that game are not simply overcome by friendship or whatever.

#37 Posted by EXTomar (4687 posts) -

What I am getting at is Japanese pop stuff like this tends to be "dualistic" or more so asking "Is it dark?" is the wrong question because by definition neither dark nor light nor whatever. I fully expect the main ending for Persona 5 to be a "mixed result" where good guys win some and lose some which is not dark

#38 Edited by believer258 (11813 posts) -

@extomar said:

What I am getting at is Japanese pop stuff like this tends to be "dualistic" or more so asking "Is it dark?" is the wrong question because by definition neither dark nor light nor whatever. I fully expect the main ending for Persona 5 to be a "mixed result" where good guys win some and lose some which is not dark

The question makes plenty of sense. Perhaps a better phrasing might be "Will Persona 5 lean as much or more into dark themes than its predecessors?" It's not a binary "is it or isn't it dark?" question, it's a question of scale, and he's clearly using earlier Persona games as a reference point.

The word "negative" probably works, but I don't think that a dark theme and a negative theme are the same thing.

@infinitegeass said:

Rape and brutal murder everywhere the eye can see.

So like persona 4?

Only three people die in Persona 4. OK, four. But when you get on the train home, it's only three. Otherwise, the game is probably the single happiest game that Atlus has ever put out. The game's main color is freaking bright yellow and there's pop music at practically every turn, except for the boss theme that edges a little closer to hard rock.

#39 Posted by lord_canti (1509 posts) -

hopefuly it will stick to the P4 level i think it hit a good balance of dark and fun/likeable characters

#40 Posted by TowerSixteen (542 posts) -

@lord_canti: The eternal debate. As someone on the other side of it, who really feels P3's writing was overall stronger, I'm hoping for P3 or darker.

@believer258: Nah, the last Etrian Odyssey game had the noble lords of Canada as your guild patrons. And this wasn't a one off thing! One of your party members was honest-to-god fantasy Canadian nobility. Not as in a fantasy counterpart culture, either, it was just straight-up Canada. That was definitely the fluffiest Atlus game.

#41 Edited by believer258 (11813 posts) -

@towersixteen said:

@lord_canti: The eternal debate. As someone on the other side of it, who really feels P3's writing was overall stronger, I'm hoping for P3 or darker.

@believer258: Nah, the last Etrian Odyssey game had the noble lords of Canada as your guild patrons. And this wasn't a one off thing! One of your party members was honest-to-god fantasy Canadian nobility. Not as in a fantasy counterpart culture, either, it was just straight-up Canada. That was definitely the fluffiest Atlus game.

I didn't forget about the Etrian Odyssey games, but I was primarily thinking about Shin Megami Tensei games and their spinoffs. Probably should have said that instead of Atlus. Still, I think my statement holds true with the added "aside from Etrian Odyssey Untold" bit.

EDIT: Worth mentioning that I have played the Etrian Odyssey game in question but I forgot about the fact that Raquna is from Canada, which for some reason I never really gave much thought. Now that I have, that is, indeed, fucking insane.

#42 Edited by Karmosin (211 posts) -

Dunno. Maybe it'll be more persona 2 batshit-insane? Who knows. I thought 4 had a nice blend, though it was alot more feelgood and slice of life than 3, but it would be dissapointing to see them do the same thing over again.

#43 Posted by Rejizzle (298 posts) -
#44 Posted by TheBluthCompany (385 posts) -

@rejizzle: As long as Drew does the VA, I'm all for it.

#45 Posted by DonutFever (3551 posts) -

It's tough to say. That teaser made it look pretty dark, but I feel like the early marketing for Persona 4 and Catherine made them look far more serious than they were. The Hashino interview made it sound pretty uplifting.

#46 Posted by Crommi (47 posts) -

"I feel that in today’s world there’s no shortage of people that are bored and discontent with their lives. They’re at a dead end, chained down to a world which they resent being a part [of]. Persona 5, in that sense is a game about freedom, the kind that these sorts of people haven’t had living in the real world,"

So, I'm guessing you'll be social linking with Adachi and the Fish-Eye Kid in Persona 5.

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#47 Edited by Mcfart (1611 posts) -

Bigger question: What adorable four legged animal will assist you this time?

Let's watch this dog summon fucking demons!
Who has an awesome bib on? You do!
How 'bout this guy?

Maybe...

It won't assist you. It'll be the main character.

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