"LiquidPrince said:

1. The same article mentions that there is an estimate of at LEAST 8.5 active users using the online for gaming and the likes, not just registered.

Exactly.  An estimate."

"

1. Microsoft's own network is constantly failing...
2.  Makes sense I guess.
3. There us cross game invites... Just push the PS button and message your friend to get his ass onto LBP...
4. Majority of the blockbuster movies come from Sony owned companies and subsidiaries... Microsoft does not own it's own movie company so it can't harm Sony's sales, but 360 missing out on Tristar and MGM movies is huge... That's Quantum of Solace and Hancock and Hellboy II just from this summer that NETFLIX will not be getting.

"

I think everyone can see its useless making bulletpoint facts of both services, or anything like it, because people like LP will always have a retort to what you say that holds no ground what so ever, but makes it out like its a fact. Its pretty useless trying to make people like this understand where you're coming from, even when you are absolutely correct, and they simply aren't.

"AndrewGaspar said:

"Speaking of which, what happened to Sentry? He never responds to my messages on PSN. Did he just leave, or what?"

he away or something >_>. he's never on msn either..."

"LiquidPrince said:

1. The same article mentions that there is an estimate of at LEAST 8.5 active users using the online for gaming and the likes, not just registered.

Exactly.  An estimate.

"You of all people, MB! Please, read the sign. Don't feed the trolls."

"LiquidPrince said:

"

1. Microsoft's own network is constantly failing...
2.  Makes sense I guess.
3. There us cross game invites... Just push the PS button and message your friend to get his ass onto LBP...
4. Majority of the blockbuster movies come from Sony owned companies and subsidiaries... Microsoft does not own it's own movie company so it can't harm Sony's sales, but 360 missing out on Tristar and MGM movies is huge... That's Quantum of Solace and Hancock and Hellboy II just from this summer that NETFLIX will not be getting.

"

Microsoft's network is handling the release of a completely transformative firmware upgrade requiring several million users to download several hundred megabytes directly from their servers while dealing with the stress of the increased game playing due to their huge sales this season. It's not "constantly" failing. It was having trouble for an hour or two (fixed now) today. It had a bit of trouble initially. It's gone down for maintenance a couple of times this year. It has been up over 98% of the time.

Saying the "majority" of blockbusters come from Sony is both wrong, and still subjective. Nobody quantifies a video store by what blockbusters it has. There are also TV shows, game videos, music, music videos, and a heaping ton of other movies. You can't argue the quality of both of them against each other without going completely off the subjective meter."

"Jayge said:

"LiquidPrince said:

"

1. Microsoft's own network is constantly failing...
2.  Makes sense I guess.
3. There us cross game invites... Just push the PS button and message your friend to get his ass onto LBP...
4. Majority of the blockbuster movies come from Sony owned companies and subsidiaries... Microsoft does not own it's own movie company so it can't harm Sony's sales, but 360 missing out on Tristar and MGM movies is huge... That's Quantum of Solace and Hancock and Hellboy II just from this summer that NETFLIX will not be getting.

"

Microsoft's network is handling the release of a completely transformative firmware upgrade requiring several million users to download several hundred megabytes directly from their servers while dealing with the stress of the increased game playing due to their huge sales this season. It's not "constantly" failing. It was having trouble for an hour or two (fixed now) today. It had a bit of trouble initially. It's gone down for maintenance a couple of times this year. It has been up over 98% of the time.

Saying the "majority" of blockbusters come from Sony is both wrong, and still subjective. Nobody quantifies a video store by what blockbusters it has. There are also TV shows, game videos, music, music videos, and a heaping ton of other movies. You can't argue the quality of both of them against each other without going completely off the subjective meter."

WHAT YOU GUYS DON'T SEEM TO GET IS:

That, in no way am I saying LIVE is a bad service. I'm merely saying that PSN isn't too far off and to charge ANY amount of money when a similar service is free is stupid.

"

"LiquidPrince said:

"Jayge said:

"LiquidPrince said:

"

1. Microsoft's own network is constantly failing...
2.  Makes sense I guess.
3. There us cross game invites... Just push the PS button and message your friend to get his ass onto LBP...
4. Majority of the blockbuster movies come from Sony owned companies and subsidiaries... Microsoft does not own it's own movie company so it can't harm Sony's sales, but 360 missing out on Tristar and MGM movies is huge... That's Quantum of Solace and Hancock and Hellboy II just from this summer that NETFLIX will not be getting.

"

Microsoft's network is handling the release of a completely transformative firmware upgrade requiring several million users to download several hundred megabytes directly from their servers while dealing with the stress of the increased game playing due to their huge sales this season. It's not "constantly" failing. It was having trouble for an hour or two (fixed now) today. It had a bit of trouble initially. It's gone down for maintenance a couple of times this year. It has been up over 98% of the time.

Saying the "majority" of blockbusters come from Sony is both wrong, and still subjective. Nobody quantifies a video store by what blockbusters it has. There are also TV shows, game videos, music, music videos, and a heaping ton of other movies. You can't argue the quality of both of them against each other without going completely off the subjective meter."

WHAT YOU GUYS DON'T SEEM TO GET IS:

That, in no way am I saying LIVE is a bad service. I'm merely saying that PSN isn't too far off and to charge ANY amount of money when a similar service is free is stupid.

"

The misconception is that they are "similar", even with the PSN's recent progress."

"Jayge said:

"LiquidPrince said:

"Jayge said:

"LiquidPrince said:

"

1. Microsoft's own network is constantly failing...
2.  Makes sense I guess.
3. There us cross game invites... Just push the PS button and message your friend to get his ass onto LBP...
4. Majority of the blockbuster movies come from Sony owned companies and subsidiaries... Microsoft does not own it's own movie company so it can't harm Sony's sales, but 360 missing out on Tristar and MGM movies is huge... That's Quantum of Solace and Hancock and Hellboy II just from this summer that NETFLIX will not be getting.

"

Microsoft's network is handling the release of a completely transformative firmware upgrade requiring several million users to download several hundred megabytes directly from their servers while dealing with the stress of the increased game playing due to their huge sales this season. It's not "constantly" failing. It was having trouble for an hour or two (fixed now) today. It had a bit of trouble initially. It's gone down for maintenance a couple of times this year. It has been up over 98% of the time.

Saying the "majority" of blockbusters come from Sony is both wrong, and still subjective. Nobody quantifies a video store by what blockbusters it has. There are also TV shows, game videos, music, music videos, and a heaping ton of other movies. You can't argue the quality of both of them against each other without going completely off the subjective meter."

WHAT YOU GUYS DON'T SEEM TO GET IS:

That, in no way am I saying LIVE is a bad service. I'm merely saying that PSN isn't too far off and to charge ANY amount of money when a similar service is free is stupid.

"

The misconception is that they are "similar", even with the PSN's recent progress."

They ARE quite similar minus a thing here and maybe add something there.


"

They ARE quite similar minus a thing here and maybe add something there.

talking in caps for your first sentence doesn't get it read any easily than not doing so, btw. Also, WHAT YOU DON'T SEEM TO GET IS(like what I did there? did you see that? yeah you saw that. I'm just too funny) I don't think XBL is worth the fee at all, regardless of how minor it is, but it is still better than PSN, and there is no denying it. Its over, just like that. Live is and will be better than PSN this entire console generation, as Jayge said. I'd expect next generation of consoles, it will be more right neck and neck between the 2, with sony continuing to add and catch up to Live, and eventually equalling it.(hopefully). That will either result in one of 2 things though- Next gen Sony will charge for PSN, just like Live. Or hopefully Live will lower the price(its microsoft here, so definitely not make it free) if they are more neck and neck.

That is it, over.

"Okay! Okay! I think we get it now.

Stop the yelling! Oh the humanity!
"

"LiquidPrince said:

They ARE quite similar minus a thing here and maybe add something there.

What's next in your repertoire?
"NO U!"?"

Telfon, do you just pop into threads, try and sound smart with some quip, fail at it, and then leave? I mean I think you should meet BiggerBomb, you'd like each other.

"

"LtColJaxson said:

"Okay! Okay! I think we get it now.

Stop the yelling! Oh the humanity!
"

I'm not yelling =)

"

"LiquidPrince said:

Telfon, do you just pop into threads, try and sound smart with some quip, fail at it, and then leave? I mean I think you should meet BiggerBomb, you'd like each other.

"

I had sex with him in a truckstop once, wasn't anything special.
Actually, I'm just trying to veer people away from being slavish fanboys.
Most people in this thread have rationally explained why the 360's Live service is better even though they are dismayed that it isn't free.
Others have talked about how PSN has done great strides lately, but still isn't on par with Live.

You have done nothing, but throw around bullshit numbers from sites of ill repute and haven't come with any good points outside any I haven't heard before from SDF."

more reliable? yes, better? NO

Why do people have to be a-holes in here? They all tell you to deal with it and stop bitching but you're just stating your opinion in a non-whiner polite manner. Anyways, I agree with you on the premise that we all pay for Live, but PSN is free. If I'm getting something for free and it breaks half the time (which I'm not saying PSN does), I can't complain because it's FREE. But Live breaking as much as it does is lame because it's a service we all pay for.

Gamespot was one of the main I showed.

"Why do people have to be a-holes in here? They all tell you to deal with it and stop bitching but you're just stating your opinion in a non-whiner polite manner. Anyways, I agree with you on the premise that we all pay for Live, but PSN is free. If I'm getting something for free and it breaks half the time (which I'm not saying PSN does), I can't complain because it's FREE. But Live breaking as much as it does is lame because it's a service we all pay for."

"LiquidPrince said:

Gamespot was one of the main I showed.

BWAHAHHAHAHAHA!

I wouldn't single you out if it wasn't for the fact that you are THE PS3 fanboy here. It's sad and doesn't make for good debate when you don't even consider the valid points that most people have mentioned here."

the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live .

BiggerBomb said:

"You of all people, MB! Please, read the sign. Don't feed the trolls."

Of course, anyone who has a different opinion is a troll... People like you make me laugh. Come in and debate, and if you don't have that ability, then stay out and shut up.

"

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

"LiquidPrince said:

BiggerBomb said:

"You of all people, MB! Please, read the sign. Don't feed the trolls."

Of course, anyone who has a different opinion is a troll... People like you make me laugh. Come in and debate, and if you don't have that ability, then stay out and shut up.

"

People like me? Ah, ok. Now I understand, blame it on the Jews. Have you no shame?"

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

But it's not MUCH lower Daniel. It's lower, but at the moment we know that PSN is approaching LIVE. Now for the actual numbers we must wait."

"LiquidPrince said:

BiggerBomb said:

"You of all people, MB! Please, read the sign. Don't feed the trolls."

Of course, anyone who has a different opinion is a troll... People like you make me laugh. Come in and debate, and if you don't have that ability, then stay out and shut up.

"

People like me? Ah, ok. Now I understand, blame it on the Jews. Have you no shame?"

"BiggerBomb said:

"LiquidPrince said:

BiggerBomb said:

"You of all people, MB! Please, read the sign. Don't feed the trolls."

Of course, anyone who has a different opinion is a troll... People like you make me laugh. Come in and debate, and if you don't have that ability, then stay out and shut up.

"

People like me? Ah, ok. Now I understand, blame it on the Jews. Have you no shame?"

Am I smelling Goodwinn's Law?"

This is probably trolling, but this topic doesn't deserve to be popular. It's only contradicting the truth and anyone can do that.

"LiquidPrince said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

But it's not MUCH lower Daniel. It's lower, but at the moment we know that PSN is approaching LIVE. Now for the actual numbers we must wait."

So you're expecting Live membership to just stop while PSN membership rises?"

"Too many people have law's named after them. I stopped at Darwin. What's this Goodwinn's Law you speak of?"

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

But it's not MUCH lower Daniel. It's lower, but at the moment we know that PSN is approaching LIVE. Now for the actual numbers we must wait."

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

But it's not MUCH lower Daniel. It's lower, but at the moment we know that PSN is approaching LIVE. Now for the actual numbers we must wait."

Daniel Beck and Liquid Prince on the same system wars thread... The clash of fanboys!

"BiggerBomb said:

"Too many people have law's named after them. I stopped at Darwin. What's this Goodwinn's Law you speak of?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law"

"TeflonBilly said:

"LiquidPrince said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

But it's not MUCH lower Daniel. It's lower, but at the moment we know that PSN is approaching LIVE. Now for the actual numbers we must wait."

So you're expecting Live membership to just stop while PSN membership rises?"

Apparently, yes."

"Daniel Beck and Liquid Prince on the same system wars thread... The clash of fanboys!"

"Daniel Beck and Liquid Prince on the same system wars thread... The clash of fanboys!"

I would gather that those 14 million Live users are active since they are all paying Gold members.
Who pays for a service and then leaves it be? Well, maybe a gym membership, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
Again, these PSN numbers are counting the gajillion of people who don't own a single game, but tons of Blu-rays who've had a gander at the Playstation store. Please, stop grasping.

"Snail said:

"Daniel Beck and Liquid Prince on the same system wars thread... The clash of fanboys!"

The difference is one is right and one isn't, and just wants to be right...in their own eyes I guess."

"Snail said:

"Daniel Beck and Liquid Prince on the same system wars thread... The clash of fanboys!"

We're actually friends..."

"I would gather that those 14 million Live users are active since they are all paying Gold members.
Who pays for a service and then leaves it be? Well, maybe a gym membership, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
Again, these PSN numbers are counting the gajillion of people who don't own a single game, but tons of Blu-rays who've had a gander at the Playstation store. Please, stop grasping."

"LiquidPrince said:

"Snail said:

"Daniel Beck and Liquid Prince on the same system wars thread... The clash of fanboys!"

We're actually friends..."

We are actually good friends and we both can not wait for Prince of Persia right ?"

"Daniel Beck and Liquid Prince on the same system wars thread... The clash of fanboys!"

"pause422 said:

"TeflonBilly said:

"LiquidPrince said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

But it's not MUCH lower Daniel. It's lower, but at the moment we know that PSN is approaching LIVE. Now for the actual numbers we must wait."

So you're expecting Live membership to just stop while PSN membership rises?"

Apparently, yes."

No... Wow, how can you guys not see that PSN has been growing fast enough to approach LIVE... Besides there are around 14 million LIVE accounts active. How many of those can you actually say are consistent online? None, because you would be estimating based on the fact that people have purchased it and this are probably using it, but that may not be the case. LIVE is counted on how many accounts are being purchased, but that doesn't mean all of them are being used consistently. So PSN approaching LIVE shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp.

"

"LiquidPrince said:

"pause422 said:

"TeflonBilly said:

"LiquidPrince said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"the only reason behind PSN being stable all the time is much lower traffic compare to Xbox Live ."

But it's not MUCH lower Daniel. It's lower, but at the moment we know that PSN is approaching LIVE. Now for the actual numbers we must wait."

So you're expecting Live membership to just stop while PSN membership rises?"

Apparently, yes."

No... Wow, how can you guys not see that PSN has been growing fast enough to approach LIVE... Besides there are around 14 million LIVE accounts active. How many of those can you actually say are consistent online? None, because you would be estimating based on the fact that people have purchased it and this are probably using it, but that may not be the case. LIVE is counted on how many accounts are being purchased, but that doesn't mean all of them are being used consistently. So PSN approaching LIVE shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp.

"

OK I'm gonna intercede on behalf of Liquid, the number he gave was accurate it was released as the number of active master accounts that connect to PSN, it is not a bullshit number, it was in www.ps3fanboy.com that means that the 8.5 million people are active players who own a master account, however this number counts both PSP and PS3 master accounts, so that means that there are 8.5 million active people online when you combine both systems. The article that I read orignally went on forward to estimate that around half the ps3s bought have connected to the internet at some point. I could dig up the correct link but I am too lazy.

What I found really interesting is the fact that approximately only half the ps3s have ever connected... that just amazes me, there's lots of people there whoa re missing their upgrades! This may not be that much of an issue if this was the original Xbox or the ps2, but the amount of upgrades and changes that have been made to both systems is staggering! I think that is more interesting than the current discussion anyway."

Actually,no, it isn't completely subjective, the "world', may not be black and white, but this topic is as simple as it states, as so many people have pointed out. It doesn't matter if someone prefers PSN to Live, the absolute undisputable fact, at this point, is this: Live is ahead of PSN, and it will stay that way throughout the whole generation. Live IS better than PSN, and that is not going to change, just judging by what Sony hasn't done yet, or says they can't do. This topic, is that simple. As I said, if you want to prefer PSN over Live, or you simply like i better in general, yes THAT, is an opinion that you are open to, but it being "better", is not one.

"Actually,no, it isn't completely subjective, the "world', may not be black and white, but this topic is as simple as it states, as so many people have pointed out. It doesn't matter if someone prefers PSN to Live, the absolute undisputable fact, at this point, is this: Live is ahead of PSN, and it will stay that way throughout the whole generation. Live IS better than PSN, and that is not going to change, just judging by what Sony hasn't done yet, or says they can't do. This topic, is that simple. As I said, if you want to prefer PSN over Live, or you simply like i better in general, yes THAT, is an opinion that you are open to, but it being "better", is not one."

"Actually,no, it isn't completely subjective, the "world', may not be black and white, but this topic is as simple as it states, as so many people have pointed out. It doesn't matter if someone prefers PSN to Live, the absolute undisputable fact, at this point, is this: Live is ahead of PSN, and it will stay that way throughout the whole generation. Live IS better than PSN, and that is not going to change, just judging by what Sony hasn't done yet, or says they can't do. This topic, is that simple. As I said, if you want to prefer PSN over Live, or you simply like i better in general, yes THAT, is an opinion that you are open to, but it being "better", is not one."

Resistance 2 is the only PS3 game I've played online that hasn't lagged like a bitch. MGO, GTAIV and LBP are virtually unplayable. Certainly nothing to do with the lack of servers in Australia though.

Yes I can, and its already been done. Say whatever you want, I'm done here now. You're wrong, and you can't ever make yourself right in anyones eyes except your own. I suggest you accept it.

"Yes I can, and its already been done. Say whatever you want, I'm done here now. You're wrong, and you can't ever make yourself right in anyones eyes except your own. I suggest you accept it."

"pause422 said:

"Actually,no, it isn't completely subjective, the "world', may not be black and white, but this topic is as simple as it states, as so many people have pointed out. It doesn't matter if someone prefers PSN to Live, the absolute undisputable fact, at this point, is this: Live is ahead of PSN, and it will stay that way throughout the whole generation. Live IS better than PSN, and that is not going to change, just judging by what Sony hasn't done yet, or says they can't do. This topic, is that simple. As I said, if you want to prefer PSN over Live, or you simply like i better in general, yes THAT, is an opinion that you are open to, but it being "better", is not one."

Exactly!
I'm a piece of shit asshole, that's a fact. But some people still like me, that's their preference which is subjective."