This needs to be locked....

"TeflonBilly said:

"pause422 said:

"Actually,no, it isn't completely subjective, the "world', may not be black and white, but this topic is as simple as it states, as so many people have pointed out. It doesn't matter if someone prefers PSN to Live, the absolute undisputable fact, at this point, is this: Live is ahead of PSN, and it will stay that way throughout the whole generation. Live IS better than PSN, and that is not going to change, just judging by what Sony hasn't done yet, or says they can't do. This topic, is that simple. As I said, if you want to prefer PSN over Live, or you simply like i better in general, yes THAT, is an opinion that you are open to, but it being "better", is not one."

Exactly!
I'm a piece of shit asshole, that's a fact. But some people still like me, that's their preference which is subjective."

But if we approach life by thinking that everything is subjective we can have an argument about anything forever without it having a chance of resolving! Descartes FTW! Lets all be skeptics! Language is after all our only way of communicating and it is subjective as well! But since language is subjective my very definition of subjectiveness is open to interpretation and useless.

I love when a position is so convoluted that it eats itself up.

Lets end the useless part of the argument:
FACT
PSN does not have a feature that differs it from Live substantially
LIve has many features that are non-existent in PSN or superior than their PSN counterparts
Live costs money for a service that is free and just as good in say, a PC

We can argue about this:
OPINION
Is live worth the money?
No, and the whole "its cheap" is a stupid argument which I personally dislike. Its like people who buy crappy 1 dollar movies and sit through that drivel simply because its cheap. I believe in spending money on things you personally like or need, and that htings that cost even 1 dollar can be overpriced.
Will PSN catch up to Live this generation?
Short answer: yes. Long answer: No, I think we will see all of Live's features in the alst games of the ps3 but these features will not be supported on older games (except perhaps popular ones), however I think the ps4 will have a comparable or equal system to live at launch.
Which communtiy is better?
I like the people in PSN better, there seems to be a bit less of a douchebag mentality and far less 13 year olds playing around, but maybe that's just the games that I like."

"TeflonBilly said:

"pause422 said:

"Actually,no, it isn't completely subjective, the "world', may not be black and white, but this topic is as simple as it states, as so many people have pointed out. It doesn't matter if someone prefers PSN to Live, the absolute undisputable fact, at this point, is this: Live is ahead of PSN, and it will stay that way throughout the whole generation. Live IS better than PSN, and that is not going to change, just judging by what Sony hasn't done yet, or says they can't do. This topic, is that simple. As I said, if you want to prefer PSN over Live, or you simply like i better in general, yes THAT, is an opinion that you are open to, but it being "better", is not one."

Exactly!
I'm a piece of shit asshole, that's a fact. But some people still like me, that's their preference which is subjective."

But if we approach life by thinking that everything is subjective we can have an argument about anything forever without it having a chance of resolving! Descartes FTW! Lets all be skeptics! Language is after all our only way of communicating and it is subjective as well! But since language is subjective my very definition of subjectiveness is open to interpretation and useless.

I love when a position is so convoluted that it eats itself up.

Lets end the useless part of the argument:
FACT
PSN does not have a feature that differs it from Live substantially
LIve has many features that are non-existent in PSN or superior than their PSN counterparts
Live costs money for a service that is free and just as good in say, a PC

We can argue about this:
OPINION
Is live worth the money?
No, and the whole "its cheap" is a stupid argument which I personally dislike. Its like people who buy crappy 1 dollar movies and sit through that drivel simply because its cheap. I believe in spending money on things you personally like or need, and that htings that cost even 1 dollar can be overpriced.
Will PSN catch up to Live this generation?
Short answer: yes. Long answer: No, I think we will see all of Live's features in the alst games of the ps3 but these features will not be supported on older games (except perhaps popular ones), however I think the ps4 will have a comparable or equal system to live at launch.
Which communtiy is better?
I like the people in PSN better, there seems to be a bit less of a douchebag mentality and far less 13 year olds playing around, but maybe that's just the games that I like."

I agree, everything that's been said is just being repeated at this point. Its a pointless thread. And no, there is no equally wrong, there is a right and a wrong here, and you are in the latter.

Live is ahead. Period.

Can't we just accept that XBL is better, but paying for it is retarded?

"Can't we just accept that XBL is better, but paying for it is retarded?"

"Demilich said:

"Can't we just accept that XBL is better, but paying for it is retarded?"

I think the best way to put it is:

LIVE is better, but not by much, and having to pay for it is retarded."

Yes, that is the simple message here that everyone should easily see. Topic is done.

*Shakes head wearily*

Live will be better for this console generation and likely the foreseeable future. But i could be wrong....

Well PSN could be the best damn online service in the world and it would still lack one of the biggest thing live has over it.....GAMES. Little big planet does not seem worth the cost of a ps3.

"Well PSN could be the best damn online service in the world and it would still lack one of the biggest thing live has over it.....GAMES. Little big planet does not seem worth the cost of a ps3."

"Well PSN could be the best damn online service in the world and it would still lack one of the biggest thing live has over it.....GAMES. Little big planet does not seem worth the cost of a ps3."

"Well PSN could be the best damn online service in the world and it would still lack one of the biggest thing live has over it.....GAMES. Little big planet does not seem worth the cost of a ps3."

What hasn't been irrelevant to the thread, honestly? This thread has been run into the ground since the first page, and is pointless. Its only being kept alive now by fanboys who want to believe their own stories, yet have nothing to actually back them in actuality. I also hate myself for bumping it once more. :(

How about we all just stop posting in this thread. Agreed?

What ever helps you sleep at night.

Resistance 2 is the only fun game I've played over PSN. Killzone 2 looks better still.

Does this thread have a point?  No service is free of issues.

Lul, MGM has been on the video marketplace since last year. Tristar are shit, and Sony Pictures are good once in a while.
Warner Bros. and Universal is where it is at.

Everybody should know that Xbox Live is the better service, even with the yearly fee. Anyone saying otherwise is just fooling themselves.

"PSN was announced quite recently as having almost as many users as LIVE. There is no feature that LIVE has that warrants its price tag. PSN is almost exactly the same in every feature except for having cross game invites ( Which you can technically do now just by pressing the PS button) and having cross game parties...Which begs the question, why would you want a cross game party? Also, PSN's video store is far better then the LIVE market because LIVE lacks all Columbia Tristar Sony movies along with MGM and so on... So does one feature and supposed better service warrant the $50 price tag? I think not. The only reason I even use LIVE is because ONE of my closer friends only has a 360 and even he is usually disappointed with the service."

"GweedyJ said:

"Well PSN could be the best damn online service in the world and it would still lack one of the biggest thing live has over it.....GAMES. Little big planet does not seem worth the cost of a ps3."

Now you're getting into a different topic. Let me just say that cost wise, you also have to buy an adapter for the 360, so makes it equivalent if not more then the PS3. Also, I wonder, purely out of curiosity, do you not like any of these games:

Resistance 1
Resistance 2
Little Big Planet
Socom
Metal Gear Solid

etc... From a purely online way I mean.

"

Ok I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to agree with LiquidPrince on this one. PSN is rapidly approaching the quality and features of Xbox Live, while still remaining free. Now I can't say anything about downtimes since I don't have a PS3 and therefore never go online on PSN, but I do keep track of the improvements Sony makes to their system, and they are definitely making big strides in delivering something that can compete with XBL. The question is, what will when once they do? Will Xbox Live forced to become a completely free service, or will PSN become paid? I really doubt that things will stay as they are because once PSN is able to give XBL a run for its money in terms of features and such, it would be bad businness for Microsoft if their service remained a paid one while Sony's is free.

As for those shouting that LiquidPrince is a fanboy, I guess that makes the GB staff fanboys too because in their podcasts they have repeatedly stated that PSN and the PS3 in general is rapidly improving, and they've even expressed their thoughts on what might happen once it's able to go head-to-head with Xbox Live.

I guess I'm lucky though, cuz I can't even remember the last time I had the XBL service fail on me. I wonder if that has anything to do with where I live. You know, that might actually be an interesting study/poll: finding out how often people suffer from XBL being down in the US as opposed to Europe. Man if ever we needed a poll system it's now.

no.

"As for those shouting that LiquidPrince is a fanboy, I guess that makes the GB staff fanboys too because in their podcasts they have repeatedly stated that PSN and the PS3 in general is rapidly improving, and they've even expressed their thoughts on what might happen once it's able to go head-to-head with Xbox Live."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/de-rez/445-Jack-George

console wars summed up in less than 5 mimutes

Oh dear goodness can we please stop with threads like this. Everyone has an opinion, everyone enjoys the systems they own, everyone researches the products they buy in the hope they make the right choice based on themselves.

PSN is a solid, improving free service. Live is a robust, established commercial service. The PS3 and 360 are both excellent platforms for gaming. Just enjoy the platforms you own and stop being detrimental to other systems. This swings both ways. Personally PSN does everything I want it to and I would never pay to have it "tuned up" to Lives feature-set but I know there are people out there who are happy to pay for the extra services Live provides. Just because I'm not one of them doesn't mean others are not entitled to pay for the service they thing provides them with more. Having said that I do believe Sony have made substantial ground on Live which can only be a good thing for both companies and consumers. Playstation 3 owners mean they get a consistently improving service while competition means Live will need to consistently improve to warrant a price tag. Which of course Microsoft have shown their hand by releasing the NXE update.

So the moral is: both platforms are great depending on what you prefer. It's up to you (and ONLY YOU) to make a choice and respect those of another.

Lock please?

The 360 can SUCK sometimes but when it works it works friggin' well.

I don't use live ATM, as I dun have a 360 (might soon tho) and so my only thorough experience is with PSN and I've got no complaints.

I agree that PSN is better than XBL. In my experiences with both, PSN has always functioned better. I also prefer the PlayStation Store over the XBL Marketplace hands down. 

I like PSN, but no, it isn't better than Live

I'm never upgrading to gold again, i got gold for one year and man it sucked. game severs are crap, in gears every time i used to host i would own everyone and then when i join someones game it felt laggy. damn host advantage. microsoft can stick their XBL and all their lame ass gamerpics up their ***, im never paying for that trash again. PSN for me runs great and FREE.

"I'm never upgrading to gold again, i got gold for one year and man it sucked. game severs are crap, in gears every time i used to host i would own everyone and then when i join someones game it felt laggy. damn host advantage. microsoft can stick their XBL and all their lame ass gamerpics up their ***, im never paying for that trash again. PSN for me runs great and FREE."

He just posted in another thread before this, touting his PS3 as the greatest thing ever and anything related to the 360 as shit. His comments aren't even worth replying to.

Ugh, this thread is one of the examples of why I dont come here anymore.

By the way, just my opinion. On the 360 Gold will never be free, since that will be one of the selling points for the new Xbox

oh you hate XBL and love PSN...

that's special....

*continues playing XBL*

"By the way, just my opinion. On the 360 Gold will never be free, since that will be one of the selling points for the new Xbox"

They ARE quite similar minus a thing here and maybe add something there.

"shadows_kill said:

"AndrewGaspar said:

"Speaking of which, what happened to Sentry? He never responds to my messages on PSN. Did he just leave, or what?"

he away or something >_>. he's never on msn either..."

So you know him personally?

On Topic: ..... I would rather stay away from you raging fanboys....

"

I feel XBL is more stable. I just prefer XBL even though I have to pay for it.

My only comment on the XBL vs PSN debate is the irony it shines on one of the major talking points of the "console war".  Think about it: 3 years of XBL is $150-$180, added to the price that most people paid for 360s (approx $300-$400), it's just as much as (if not more than) a PS3.  I'm not trying to say that PS3 is better, I just find it humourous that Live users consider the PS3 more expensive when they are in fact the same price in the long run.  Granted, none Live users get a less expensive console, but the lack of online support may not be important to those gamers.

Take it easy Bombers.

live vs psn... there really is no contest at all.

"My only comment on the XBL vs PSN debate is the irony it shines on one of the major talking points of the "console war".  Think about it: 3 years of XBL is $150-$180, added to the price that most people paid for 360s (approx $300-$400), it's just as much as (if not more than) a PS3.  I'm not trying to say that PS3 is better, I just find it humourous that Live users consider the PS3 more expensive when they are in fact the same price in the long run.  Granted, none Live users get a less expensive console, but the lack of online support may not be important to those gamers.

Take it easy Bombers."

PSN is only always up because it doesn't get slammed with traffic. If more people used it then it would be down aswell. There are technical limitations to these things.

"TTreen said:

"My only comment on the XBL vs PSN debate is the irony it shines on one of the major talking points of the "console war".  Think about it: 3 years of XBL is $150-$180, added to the price that most people paid for 360s (approx $300-$400), it's just as much as (if not more than) a PS3.  I'm not trying to say that PS3 is better, I just find it humourous that Live users consider the PS3 more expensive when they are in fact the same price in the long run.  Granted, none Live users get a less expensive console, but the lack of online support may not be important to those gamers.

Take it easy Bombers."

Thanks for invalidating your own point. It makes arguements so much easier."

 I apoligize if the way I presented the comment was misleading."

"LiquidPrince said:

They ARE quite similar minus a thing here and maybe add something there.

What?

how "ARE" they similar when you have to  "minus a thing here and maybe add something there" ????????  

LMAO!!!!! this is too funny 

"

I don't know what problems you are talking about, but I'm not having them. I have a ps3 and a 360, and I can't connect to shit with my ps3, but my connection is perfect with live.

A weird coincidence? I don't think so.