yeah its a bit ridiculous. i just find it odd how all of the sudden press pretends like microsoft invented all of this. 

"I cant say I agree with davis but I dont disagree. All I know is 360'S DPAD FUCKING SUCKS FUCK YOU DPAD I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!!!!!!!! *runs away crying* 
Although ive played a ps3 before the dpad is very good.

oh look at my mini bio to see my amazing gamertag."

I didn't see this so I can't really comment on it. But I don't believe the PS3 is a "me too" system in all areas. However, in some ways I think it is. Case and point: Trophies. That's all I really have to say about that.

PS3 is definitely not a "me too" system. There have been additions like Trophies and profile badges that clearly came from the 360, but that's not enough to say the system has no identity. It's called variety, Ryan. Like PS2 (and unlike the original Xbox) you can get an excellent entertainment experience in any genre of game on a PS3. Outside of games, the thing plays a multitude of music and video formats and is the only game console that plays Blu-Ray. If PS3 is a "me too" system without an identity, then PCs are as well. PS3's have multiple purposes as do computers.

Seriously,
Saying one system is copying the other doesnt make you a fanboy, but complaining about someones opinion and writing a 5 paragraph complaint makes you a fanboy.

Success! I have succeeded.

"

That was a terrible, terrible rebuttle. Use better examples next time you want to start up System World War Umpteen.

I always thought the 360 was the "me too" system with stuff like avaters and lips, its what microsoft does take other peoples ideas and refine them, making there product better or just as good ( or in lips case not as good).

Guess what. It's a "me too" industry. Ralph Baer got ripped off by Nolan Bushnell and the videogame market was born.

I agree with Ryan, though i think you may have misinterpreted him slightly. I probably would call it a me too system tho.

I think what he means by lacking identity, is in reference mainly to games.

Xbox and Wii have it locked down.

Wii is the family friendly casual system. Wii sports, fit, music etc

Xbox's identity is rooted in Halo and Gears and it's well recieved live service.

Playstation 3 is?  Blu Ray? MGS4? LBP?

"I agree with Ryan, though i think you may have misinterpreted him slightly. I probably would call it a me too system tho.

I think what he means by lacking identity, is in reference mainly to games.

Xbox and Wii have it locked down.

Wii is the family friendly casual system. Wii sports, fit, music etc

Xbox's identity is rooted in Halo and Gears and it's well recieved live service.

Playstation 3 is?  Blu Ray? MGS4? LBP?

"

"I agree with Ryan, though i think you may have misinterpreted him slightly. I probably would call it a me too system tho.

I think what he means by lacking identity, is in reference mainly to games.

Xbox and Wii have it locked down.

Wii is the family friendly casual system. Wii sports, fit, music etc

Xbox's identity is rooted in Halo and Gears and it's well recieved live service.

Playstation 3 is?  Blu Ray? MGS4? LBP?

"

"I agree with Ryan, though i think you may have misinterpreted him slightly. I probably would call it a me too system tho.

I think what he means by lacking identity, is in reference mainly to games.

Xbox and Wii have it locked down.

Wii is the family friendly casual system. Wii sports, fit, music etc

Xbox's identity is rooted in Halo and Gears and it's well recieved live service.

Playstation 3 is?  Blu Ray? MGS4? LBP?"

at the end of the day everyone always copies off of successful models, people innovate and others follow

Wii is the only one that's keeping to its plan no matter what anyone says. I think it's good when companies listen to what people want, even if it's deemed "copying" by some people. PS3 and Xbox 360 have plenty unique to their platforms, even if both could be accused of taking some things from elsewhere, but at least they put their own spin on them.

I disagree with him. The PS3 knows what it's trying to be and it's striving towards that. The 360 jjust looking on others and releasing stuff to try and stay on top, hence Netflix to face PS Video store, or avatars vs Home and Mii's.

Well now, I thought it was a reference to trophies and Home and whatnot.
And, totally not in a bad way, I think you should calm down.

they always have someone on bonus round who never has anything original to say, he just agrees with something one of the other guys said or rambles some bullshit , always at least one guy, but he always bashes ps3 and says something like Gears 2 is the GOTY. every episode is like that. then patcher kind of flip flops and then theres another guy with actual opinions and understanding. 

"I disagree with him. The PS3 knows what it's trying to be and it's striving towards that. The 360 jjust looking on others and releasing stuff to try and stay on top, hence Netflix to face PS Video store, or avatars vs Home and Mii's."

Seeing as how you agree with everything else that was said on the panel, it just seems you misinterpreted the context.

Michael and Ryan are probably 360 users first and when thier jobs require them, they go play something on the PS3. So when Home first came out they where there, but it didn't seem like they where there or even know that PSN has a video download service (I didn't even know it myself til like last month). So this overall "Me too" is just a typical gamer now a day's opinion on the PS3. Even though Sony has been doing similar shit for a while now, if MS makes sure others know their product first, they have set the benchmark that Sony must beat. Of course, if Sony does a job that is about the same quality, then you get the me too effect. Because afterall, lets not kid ourselves, PSN at best beats the free Silver account on XBL and if the stars are aligned matches the Gold accounts, hence me too if the first service you saw was XBL.

"LiquidPrince said:

"I disagree with him. The PS3 knows what it's trying to be and it's striving towards that. The 360 jjust looking on others and releasing stuff to try and stay on top, hence Netflix to face PS Video store, or avatars vs Home and Mii's."

You do realise Xbox live has had a video store long before Netflix on the 360 was ever announced, right?"

I like my PS3 A LOT but what Ryan Davis and Pachter said were not wrong by any means . these two guys along with some other are experienced people in video gaming industry and have spent time with video games for decades .

Instead of bashing like a kid we should use logic

Things that are in my mind right now :

PS3 's originality :
-Blu-ray

- Home

-PS3,s so called "Me too " part :
- sixaxis controller   ( copied from Nintendo Wii )
-the whole PSN thing and PSN 's profile badges  ( Copied from Xbox live)
-Trophy (copied from 360's Achievement )
-video game box arts ; things like " only on PlayStation " or "PSN "  (copied from 360's only on Xbox 360 and  Xbox live )
- PlayStation store (copied from Xbox live Market place )

"

I like my PS3 A LOT but what Ryan Davis and Pachter said were not wrong by any means . these two guys along with some other are experienced people in video gaming industry and have spent time with video games for decades .

Instead of bashing like a kid we should use logic

Things that are in my mind right now :

PS3 's originality :
-Blu-ray

- Home

-PS3,s so called "Me too " part :
- sixaxis controller   ( copied from Nintendo Wii )
-the whole PSN thing and PSN 's profile badges  ( Copied from Xbox live)
-Trophy (copied from 360's Achievement )
-video game box arts ; things like " only on PlayStation " or "PSN "  (copied from 360's only on Xbox 360 and  Xbox live )
- PlayStation store (copied from Xbox live Market place )

"

They didn't do it, but they always had it in mind. As for the rest like Trophies and stuff, yeah that's just copied from 360.

"LiquidPrince said:

They didn't do it, but they always had it in mind. As for the rest like Trophies and stuff, yeah that's just copied from 360.

  that is the problem , fortunately or unfortunately in the current world action defines everything and not plans"

"The reason they are calling it a "me too" system is because the 360 did all of those things first, and is still doing them better. Sony is playing catch up really."

"LiquidPrince said:

They didn't do it, but they always had it in mind. As for the rest like Trophies and stuff, yeah that's just copied from 360.

  that is the problem , fortunately or unfortunately in the current world action defines everything and not plans"

"Your over use of the honorific, Mr, is patronising and just plain dumb. Not unlike this thread. "

"Well now, I thought it was a reference to trophies and Home and whatnot.
And, totally not in a bad way, I think you should calm down."

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"LiquidPrince said:

They didn't do it, but they always had it in mind. As for the rest like Trophies and stuff, yeah that's just copied from 360.

  that is the problem , fortunately or unfortunately in the current world action defines everything and not plans"

Exactly. Regardless of what is true or not, its this exact thing that is what it always boils down to. It's like how when Microsoft revealed the Avatars, and they said they and Rare came up with the idea before nintendo did with the Mii's, but since the Mii's came first, it just looks like it was a direct copied effort. Doesn't matter what's true, only matters what came first to the public eye."

Dude, give it a rest. you don't have to white knight the PS3 for every slight that comes against it. Guess what? Most of it is fucking true.
If all your friends tell you your girlfriend's a slut, that probably means she's fucked at least one guy behind your back.

"Dude, give it a rest. you don't have to white knight the PS3 for every slight that comes against it. Guess what? Most of it is fucking true.
If all your friends tell you your girlfriend's a slut, that probably means she's fucked at least one guy behind your back."

"Dude, give it a rest. you don't have to white knight the PS3 for every slight that comes against it. Guess what? Most of it is fucking true.
If all your friends tell you your girlfriend's a slut, that probably means she's fucked at least one guy behind your back."

"TeflonBilly said:

"Dude, give it a rest. you don't have to white knight the PS3 for every slight that comes against it. Guess what? Most of it is fucking true.
If all your friends tell you your girlfriend's a slut, that probably means she's fucked at least one guy behind your back."

So you think the Playstation doesn't have an identity?

I know the systems flawed in places but it just irks me that the press (no less) are consistently spewing this rubbish on the PS3 which people will believe."

Actually no, the PS3 doesn't have a discernible identity for the moment.
Just look at their ass marketing which just straight up confused people. Here in Europe we had these This Is Living commercials which were dogshit.
I thought they had a good thing going for awhile to catch the casual market. I know several girls who don't care for videogames whatsoever who bought PS2 Slims with SingStar and Buzz. Then the PS3 came out and it's a big, scary, expensive beast with no games that appeal to the casuals for a long while. So when SingStar came out most of this audience never even heard about it cause they stopped paying attention to the PS3. Home is not gonna bring these people in. Hey, the Wii is bringing people around one console to have stupid fun. US TOO!

The Blu-ray player was gonna pull in the moviegoing audience. Guess what? most of the audience really don't care that much about the jump from DVD to BD. You're just changing one disc to another. Alotta people won't see the point. (I personally think they should ahve their eyes checked, but that's the general consensus on BD for other people.) Hey dvd playback made people buy the PS2, I bet the BD is just as integral with the PS3. US TOO!
You're kidding yourself when you don't see that the primary goal of teh PS3 was to eb a BD trojan horse. Hey it worked on me, I have more BDs than PS3 games. Now they see the apparent boom the 360 got after the NXE/Netflix deal. Hey, we thought about taht eyars ago, but didn't act on it. US TOO!

Then you have the biggest disappointmen, the hardcore. Us sad 18-35 male demographic with disposable incomes to spend on such frivilous entertainment as the latest hi-def shooting bonanza. With the string of lost exclusives, shoddy ports, the PSN screwing us over and disappointing games a lot of us are feeling pretty damned miffed about the PS3. At least us with the luxury of having better offerings next to our Blu-ray player dujour.

It's identity is all over the place. It desperatley wants something else and keeps pushing us "gamers" away. It's like some dysfunctional relationship where they've settled for us benchwarmers, but desperately want the first string quarterback. I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook though. It's been teh same way with them the last couple of months. Face it gamers, nobody wants us. The Wii is dating the prettiest girls in school and Microsoft and Sony are writing angrily in their diaries "ME TOO!"

"Actually no, the PS3 doesn't have a discernible identity for the moment.
Just look at their ass marketing which just straight up confused people. Here in Europe we had these This Is Living commercials which were dogshit.
I thought they had a good thing going for awhile to catch the casual market. I know several girls who don't care for videogames whatsoever who bought PS2 Slims with SingStar and Buzz. Then the PS3 came out and it's a big, scary, expensive beast with no games that appeal to the casuals for a long while. So when SingStar came out most of this audience never even heard about it cause they stopped paying attention to the PS3. Home is not gonna bring these people in. Hey, the Wii is bringing people around one console to have stupid fun. US TOO!

The Blu-ray player was gonna pull in the moviegoing audience. Guess what? most of the audience really don't care that much about the jump from DVD to BD. You're just changing one disc to another. Alotta people won't see the point. (I personally think they should ahve their eyes checked, but that's the general consensus on BD for other people.) Hey dvd playback made people buy the PS2, I bet the BD is just as integral with the PS3. US TOO!
You're kidding yourself when you don't see that the primary goal of teh PS3 was to eb a BD trojan horse. Hey it worked on me, I have more BDs than PS3 games. Now they see the apparent boom the 360 got after the NXE/Netflix deal. Hey, we thought about taht eyars ago, but didn't act on it. US TOO!

Then you have the biggest disappointmen, the hardcore. Us sad 18-35 male demographic with disposable incomes to spend on such frivilous entertainment as the latest hi-def shooting bonanza. With the string of lost exclusives, shoddy ports, the PSN screwing us over and disappointing games a lot of us are feeling pretty damned miffed about the PS3. At least us with the luxury of having better offerings next to our Blu-ray player dujour.

It's identity is all over the place. It desperatley wants something else and keeps pushing us "gamers" away. It's like some dysfunctional relationship where they've settled for us benchwarmers, but desperately want the first string quarterback. I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook though. It's been teh same way with them the last couple of months. Face it gamers, nobody wants us. The Wii is dating the prettiest girls in school and Microsoft and Sony are writing angrily in their diaries "ME TOO!""

Hey, I know I might rag on you every once in awhile, but you're one of the reasons I like this community.
Intelligent, stimulating discourse about this hobby I'm so passionate about in this sea of lolcats pictures, soulja boi threads and people just shilling like fanboys.

When i think of the Playstation identity I think back to when the PS1 was first released. I rememebr being staunchly against it, as I would later be when the first Xbox was launched. Who teh fuck are these stupid entertainment companies entrenching on teh hallowed grounds of Nintendo and Sega.
But Sony had this exciting new identity. WipeOut playing in the background in clubs while Prodigy was thumping. That Krazy Ivan commercial that was just eyepopping out of magazines. Hell all of the Designer's Republic shit and the whole faux-hip underground vibe which actually worked.
They were on the bleeding cutting edge in everything, sleek design, trendy music and a wholly more cool persona then anything else.
They capitalized on that with the PS2, now the Playstation brand was high class and hoity toity with this newfangled DVD playback and just stellar, stellar releases. Even with the freaky Third Place commercials, they still weren't so esoteric and out there or just too stupid or childish or in many cases non existant as Sega and Nintendo were. They've squandered their position away in a deluge of arrogance and stupidity and seem to be grabbing for both the Wii and the 360's established markets now. That's my feelings about the whole "me too" vibe I'm getting. Sony needs something which looks at you and says "Madness? THIS! IS! SONY!" and kicks you square in the solar plexus and makes you remember that they're supposed to be the industry leader, not some comical sidekick.

"Levio91 said:

"I cant say I agree with davis but I dont disagree. All I know is 360'S DPAD FUCKING SUCKS FUCK YOU DPAD I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!!!!!!!! *runs away crying* 
Although ive played a ps3 before the dpad is very good.

oh look at my mini bio to see my amazing gamertag."

I hate you. So much."

In 2009 when the word Levio is uttered, everyone will shudder. It's annoying that every place has to have a village idiot.

Anyway, getting back to the topic, I think there is no way you can make these claims seriously. "Everyone copies ideas off of everyone else BLAH BLAH BLAH" is said too much, but it's true. Everyone has stolen ideas from one another so much that the sight of an original idea is questionable. Indeed, when nintendo released their moition controller, there were still other such ideas floating around years before.

Also, I disagreed with what he said on the 1up show about the spike awards and how they showed the brutal violent trailers. The average person has no idea that there is any kind of culture behind video games and calling it to attention on something so widely accepted such as TV makes me a bit uncomfortable. Sure, I love playing games, but unless it was at the topic at hand I would never dream of mentioning it as there is a stigma attatched to it. Relying on these horrible obscure game references and culture does nothing but drive back the person from playing and make our hobby less 'acceptable'.

"LiquidPrince said:

They didn't do it, but they always had it in mind. As for the rest like Trophies and stuff, yeah that's just copied from 360.

  that is the problem , fortunately or unfortunately in the current world action defines everything and not plans"

"PSN at best beats the free Silver account on XBL and if the stars are aligned matches the Gold accounts, hence me too if the first service you saw was XBL."

"Your over use of the honorific, Mr, is patronising and just plain dumb. Not unlike this thread. "

Look, at first, the 360 was a Me Too system. Forza=Gran Turismo, they practically took every exclusive Sony had at the time and if they couldn't they made their own. The thing is, when Msoft "made their own" especially when it came to online, they did it better than Sony.
So then, Sony started playing catch-up. He meant they'll just be playing catch-up forever.

"

I like my PS3 A LOT but what Ryan Davis and Pachter said were not wrong by any means . these two guys along with some other are experienced people in video gaming industry and have spent time with video games for decades .

Instead of bashing like a kid we should use logic

Things that are in my mind right now :

PS3 's originality :
-Blu-ray

- Home

-PS3,s so called "Me too " part :
- sixaxis controller   ( copied from Nintendo Wii )
-the whole PSN thing and PSN 's profile badges  ( Copied from Xbox live)
-Trophy (copied from 360's Achievement )
-video game box arts ; things like " only on PlayStation " or "PSN "  (copied from 360's only on Xbox 360 and  Xbox live )
- PlayStation store (copied from Xbox live Market place )

"

"The reason they are calling it a "me too" system is because the 360 did all of those things first, and is still doing them better. Sony is playing catch up really."

I think the true moral of the story here is: If you have and anime picture as you're icon... you're automatically a sony fanboy.

Actually, I agree.

The PS3 is the biggest "Me Too" system I have seen in a long while.

"Dude, give it a rest. you don't have to white knight the PS3 for every slight that comes against it. Guess what? Most of it is fucking true.
If all your friends tell you your girlfriend's a slut, that probably means she's fucked at least one guy behind your back."