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Backwards Compatibility Patch

Topic started by regularassmilk on Dec. 2, 2008. Last post by Hexpane 1 day, 10 hours ago.
Post by regularassmilk (63 posts) See mini bio
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IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN

IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN

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Too bad it won't.

Too bad it won't.

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I'm betting it will happen once Sony feels like selling PS2 games on their Store.

I'm betting it will happen once Sony feels like selling PS2 games on their Store.

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Well, Rayman 2: Revolution was rated for PS3, and that's a PS2 game.  Albeit a PS One port.  It could still mean something.

Well, Rayman 2: Revolution was rated for PS3, and that's a PS2 game.  Albeit a PS One port.  It could still mean something.

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That would be awesome

That would be awesome

Post by Kush (4,994 posts) See mini bio
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It's not going to happen...ever.

It's not going to happen...ever.

Post by jangofett88 (86 posts) See mini bio
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Taking it out was probably an undisclosed part of their "The PS2 is still alive!" campaign.

Taking it out was probably an undisclosed part of their "The PS2 is still alive!" campaign.

Post by roushimsx (182 posts) See mini bio
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KingBroly said:

"Well, Rayman 2: Revolution was rated for PS3, and that's a PS2 game.  Albeit a PS One port.  It could still mean something."
The PS2 version wasn't based on the PS1 version. The PS1 release of Rayman 2 had a large number of differences throughout it (level design, enemies, characters, etc) while the PS2 version was more similar to the PC release, though with the sprites replaced with 3d models, framerate stuttering, and the hall of doors replaced with a central hub (among other modifications). Nitpicking, I know, but the two games are quite different and assuming that it wasn't a simple data entry error, it could mean some extremely good things (namely, Sony finally hashing out software emulation for the PS2 GPU).

While it's a pipedream, I've always hoped that by finally having a fully emulated system, it'd be possible to bypass various limitations of the original console. Kind of like how w/ N64 emulation, you can now play games like Duke Nukem Zero Hour at a smooth framerate, I'd love to see Shadow of the Colossus running smoothly (especially during the fights). Hey, one can dream.

KingBroly said:
"Well, Rayman 2: Revolution was rated for PS3, and that's a PS2 game.  Albeit a PS One port.  It could still mean something."
The PS2 version wasn't based on the PS1 version. The PS1 release of Rayman 2 had a large number of differences throughout it (level design, enemies, characters, etc) while the PS2 version was more similar to the PC release, though with the sprites replaced with 3d models, framerate stuttering, and the hall of doors replaced with a central hub (among other modifications). Nitpicking, I know, but the two games are quite different and assuming that it wasn't a simple data entry error, it could mean some extremely good things (namely, Sony finally hashing out software emulation for the PS2 GPU).

While it's a pipedream, I've always hoped that by finally having a fully emulated system, it'd be possible to bypass various limitations of the original console. Kind of like how w/ N64 emulation, you can now play games like Duke Nukem Zero Hour at a smooth framerate, I'd love to see Shadow of the Colossus running smoothly (especially during the fights). Hey, one can dream.

Post by systech (1,392 posts) See mini bio
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It won't, but your username is pretty dope, son.

It won't, but your username is pretty dope, son.

Post by tekmojo (395 posts) See mini bio
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60gigger wins.

60gigger wins.

Post by chililili (336 posts) See mini bio
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Don't expect backwards compatibility thorugh a patch right now, maybe next year... if that. I'm no longer sure it will ever be added.

Don't expect backwards compatibility thorugh a patch right now, maybe next year... if that. I'm no longer sure it will ever be added.

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I doubt it will ever happen Sony cant afford to spend any more money.

I doubt it will ever happen Sony cant afford to spend any more money.

Post by chililili (336 posts) See mini bio
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WilliamRLBaker said:

"I doubt it will ever happen Sony cant afford to spend any more money."
If it digitally distributed all of the biggest PS2 hits int he PS store I think they would get their money back, but right now they got Home project going on and they need to add other stuff tot he PSN so I doubt that it has lots of staff working on it.

WilliamRLBaker said:
"I doubt it will ever happen Sony cant afford to spend any more money."
If it digitally distributed all of the biggest PS2 hits int he PS store I think they would get their money back, but right now they got Home project going on and they need to add other stuff tot he PSN so I doubt that it has lots of staff working on it.

Post by Player1 (1,193 posts) See mini bio
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I seriously hope it does. I really want to play the early metal gear games, and the early ratchet and clank games.

I seriously hope it does. I really want to play the early metal gear games, and the early ratchet and clank games.

Post by Thunder (190 posts) See mini bio
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its never going to be added get over it

its never going to be added get over it

Post by Throne (66 posts) See mini bio
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It will happen eventually I think. Sony is just trying to milk every last ounce the PS2 has left and when the PS2 is completely gone, they will eventually release a firmware with PS2 emulator I'm sure.

It will happen eventually I think. Sony is just trying to milk every last ounce the PS2 has left and when the PS2 is completely gone, they will eventually release a firmware with PS2 emulator I'm sure.

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Sony has gone on record as saying their lie about 100% BC for all PS systems was just blowhard nonsense that they knew they would never support.  The pissed in all of our faces and disrespected loyal customers since the PS1 days w/ a meager offering of PS1 games on PSN and the outright removal of PS2 BC in all newer consoles.

If sony could open our mouths and take a dump down our throats right now, they would just for spite and bravado.  the idea that the company who killed the Dreamcast PS1 emu even tho it improved their own games, just because they could leads us to expect no software emu ever.

Sony has gone on record as saying their lie about 100% BC for all PS systems was just blowhard nonsense that they knew they would never support.  The pissed in all of our faces and disrespected loyal customers since the PS1 days w/ a meager offering of PS1 games on PSN and the outright removal of PS2 BC in all newer consoles.

If sony could open our mouths and take a dump down our throats right now, they would just for spite and bravado.  the idea that the company who killed the Dreamcast PS1 emu even tho it improved their own games, just because they could leads us to expect no software emu ever.

Post by roushimsx (182 posts) See mini bio
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Hexpane said:

"If sony could open our mouths and take a dump down our throats right now, they would just for spite and bravado.  the idea that the company who killed the Dreamcast PS1 emu even tho it improved their own games, just because they could leads us to expect no software emu ever."
Bleem was going nowhere quick any damn way. The project was already grossly behind schedule and they'd already had to scale the scope of it way back, not to mention the DC controller being terribly suited for Playstation games. Sony did us a favor by taking it out of the market.

There's money to be made in offering PS2 games directly for download on PSN and despite their behavior in the last year or two, Sony really does love money. Now, if they'll ever actually come to grips with the harsh reality that the US and European divisions of the PSN classics stores are a fucking mess (especially compared to the JPN PSN store), that's another story. They've got a better grip on things than Nintendo, but that's like saying durian smells better than shit. Hell, they've even been updating various things that only audiophiles and videophiles remotely care about (hell, Criterion Co. uses a PS3 as their reference bluray player).

The success of Xbox Originals shows that there's not only a market for downloadable games from the last generation, but that there's a market for niche downloadable games from last generation. I mean, shit, have you seen the offerings for Xbox Originals? It's like a who's-who of geeky, awesome Xbox games that never got their due respect. Throw Deathrow on there and it'll be a dead give away that whoever does the choices for games on the service is an obvious fanboy of Eurogamer's "Most Underrated Xbox Games" list.

Hexpane said:
"If sony could open our mouths and take a dump down our throats right now, they would just for spite and bravado.  the idea that the company who killed the Dreamcast PS1 emu even tho it improved their own games, just because they could leads us to expect no software emu ever."
Bleem was going nowhere quick any damn way. The project was already grossly behind schedule and they'd already had to scale the scope of it way back, not to mention the DC controller being terribly suited for Playstation games. Sony did us a favor by taking it out of the market.

There's money to be made in offering PS2 games directly for download on PSN and despite their behavior in the last year or two, Sony really does love money. Now, if they'll ever actually come to grips with the harsh reality that the US and European divisions of the PSN classics stores are a fucking mess (especially compared to the JPN PSN store), that's another story. They've got a better grip on things than Nintendo, but that's like saying durian smells better than shit. Hell, they've even been updating various things that only audiophiles and videophiles remotely care about (hell, Criterion Co. uses a PS3 as their reference bluray player).

The success of Xbox Originals shows that there's not only a market for downloadable games from the last generation, but that there's a market for niche downloadable games from last generation. I mean, shit, have you seen the offerings for Xbox Originals? It's like a who's-who of geeky, awesome Xbox games that never got their due respect. Throw Deathrow on there and it'll be a dead give away that whoever does the choices for games on the service is an obvious fanboy of Eurogamer's "Most Underrated Xbox Games" list.

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Sony, and any other company with business sense for that matter, will do stuff when there is money to be made. Right now it's more profitable to squeeze the ps2 for what it is worth.

Sony, and any other company with business sense for that matter, will do stuff when there is money to be made. Right now it's more profitable to squeeze the ps2 for what it is worth.

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Thanks for getting my hopes up with the title and then instantly dashing them with your caps lock wishes.

Thanks for getting my hopes up with the title and then instantly dashing them with your caps lock wishes.

Post by LiquidPrince (2,428 posts) See mini bio
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Don't think it will happen.

Don't think it will happen.

Post by Metal_Gear_Sunny (507 posts) See mini bio
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How could it happen? isn't it a hardware thing?

How could it happen? isn't it a hardware thing?

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It did already happen to past SKUs but they took it out. Sony shouldn't be spending thier energy on shit like that anyway since it still has a lot of ground to cover to stay competitive. Almost everyone has a PS2 and the damn things are still selling, so there is not rush other than you specifically want it. If you do want it that bad track down a older gen PS3 that still has it.

It did already happen to past SKUs but they took it out. Sony shouldn't be spending thier energy on shit like that anyway since it still has a lot of ground to cover to stay competitive. Almost everyone has a PS2 and the damn things are still selling, so there is not rush other than you specifically want it. If you do want it that bad track down a older gen PS3 that still has it.

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I have a launch 60GB, So I'm fine....

**Slowly walks away**

I have a launch 60GB, So I'm fine....

**Slowly walks away**

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Metal_Gear_Sunny said:

"How could it happen? isn't it a hardware thing?"
The 80gb version got patched for BC, so it's possible for the 40gb, who knows.

Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
"How could it happen? isn't it a hardware thing?"
The 80gb version got patched for BC, so it's possible for the 40gb, who knows.

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AaronBelfast said:

"The 80gb version got patched for BC, so it's possible for the 40gb, who knows."
The 80gigger wasn't patched, it had it from the get-go. They emulated the PS2 CPU (Emotion Engine), but it still had the PS2 GPU (Graphics Synthesizer) chip in there. In the 40gigger and later models, they removed the GPU and have yet to replace it with a software solution. Removing the chips saved them on the manufacturing cost per unit (lessening the amount of money they lost on each console sold).

20s and 60g had both chips along with the software PS1 emulation carried over and improved from the PStwo, which is better than the hardware backwards compatibility on the fat PS2 if for no other reason than it supported motherfucking Tomba. Word.

AaronBelfast said:
"The 80gb version got patched for BC, so it's possible for the 40gb, who knows."
The 80gigger wasn't patched, it had it from the get-go. They emulated the PS2 CPU (Emotion Engine), but it still had the PS2 GPU (Graphics Synthesizer) chip in there. In the 40gigger and later models, they removed the GPU and have yet to replace it with a software solution. Removing the chips saved them on the manufacturing cost per unit (lessening the amount of money they lost on each console sold).

20s and 60g had both chips along with the software PS1 emulation carried over and improved from the PStwo, which is better than the hardware backwards compatibility on the fat PS2 if for no other reason than it supported motherfucking Tomba. Word.

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When the PS2 stops getting sold at retail, and no-one produces games for it anymore... then maybe it will get patched... But the PS2 is still selling like hotcakes around the world, games are still being developed. Its good business that they havn't done it yet.

When the PS2 stops getting sold at retail, and no-one produces games for it anymore... then maybe it will get patched... But the PS2 is still selling like hotcakes around the world, games are still being developed. Its good business that they havn't done it yet.

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Impossible. There is no 100% way of emulating PS2 games by software. The lack of any PS2 hardware is what's holding it back.

Impossible. There is no 100% way of emulating PS2 games by software. The lack of any PS2 hardware is what's holding it back.

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siLVUR said:

"There is no 100% way of emulating PS2 games by software.
Oh, now I'm interested. Why is it impossible to ever emulate the PS2 via software? Just curious.

siLVUR said:
"There is no 100% way of emulating PS2 games by software.
Oh, now I'm interested. Why is it impossible to ever emulate the PS2 via software? Just curious.

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roushimsx said:

"siLVUR said:
"There is no 100% way of emulating PS2 games by software.
Oh, now I'm interested. Why is it impossible to ever emulate the PS2 via software? Just curious."
Because not even hackers have figured out a guarantee way?

roushimsx said:
"siLVUR said:
"There is no 100% way of emulating PS2 games by software.
Oh, now I'm interested. Why is it impossible to ever emulate the PS2 via software? Just curious."
Because not even hackers have figured out a guarantee way?