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PlayStation 3 to soon emulate PlayStation 2 games?

Topic started by choffy21 on June 30, 2009. Last post by The_A_Drain 4 months, 3 weeks ago.
Post by Byakuei (3 posts) See mini bio

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@get2sammyb said:
" Guess what guys. I have a Playstation 2 emulator too. It's called a Playstation 2. I put it on my desk next to my Playstation 3. It's amazing because I can play Playstation 3 games and Playstation 2 games. Who would have thought?


What an amazing solution to backwards compatability. I hear you can buy one for like $30 off eBay. "
Are u kidding me? There are owners out there without PS2. Even if the majority does have one. Not to mention SOny put it in their original models so what was the fucking point in removing it? TO save wat ten bucks off my purchase? Thanks Sony. I dont get why gamers think "because I have this and that" means other gamers dont matter. Just because you have a ps2 doesnt make you all fucking that....


Post by Meptron (427 posts) See mini bio
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@Mordukai: But you can't use the wireless DS3 controller. This is key. Once you've gone wireless you can never go back.


Post by get2sammyb (4,191 posts) See mini bio
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@Byakuei: Oh shut up you idiot. If you want to play PS2 games so badly you'll either buy a PS2 or borrow a friends. It's not rocket science. Like I've already said - it's not the ideal solution. But it's a solution all the same.

Stop complaining for the sake of complaint. It's all people tend to do on video game forums I swear.


Post by choffy21 (954 posts) See mini bio
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Argh!!! Stop these mean and hurtful posts!!! I'm going CRAAAAAZY!!!!


Post by Mordukai (2,691 posts) See mini bio
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@Meptron: I think this emulation software will support the DS3. It looks like Sony are serious about this subject seeing that so many people are asking for it. 


Post by Godwind (1,564 posts) See mini bio

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Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market.


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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@Godwind said:
"Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market."

The PS3's a powerful machine, but it's not that powerful. An automated product for doing that would be a converter anyway, seeing as it would be impossible for the PS3 to real-time emulate an Xbox 360 game. That would require an insane amount of processing power, much more than any current PC or game console can muster. So any system for automatically converting code would have to be a converter. They already exist but they are awful at best.  

Edit: Not to mention the fact Microsoft would have something to say about it, seeing as emulation seeks to imitate a particular hardware archetecture through software, it would require reverse engineering the Xbox 360's hardware, and imitating it, something which would land Sony in more than a heap of trouble. It's one thing for teams of bedroom programmers working on an emulator years after the console has been and gone, but reverse engineering your biggest competitors hardware in effort to make putting games on your platform more appealing? I don't even want to imagine the bloodshed that would lead to.

Also, the patent specifically mentioned the Emotion Engine.


Post by CL60 (5,730 posts) See mini bio
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@Godwind said:
" Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market. "
If that happened...say bye to Sony, they would get sued hardcore by Microsoft.


Post by ninjakiller (1,030 posts) See mini bio
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@Meptron said:
" @Mordukai: But you can't use the wireless DS3 controller. This is key. Once you've gone wireless you can never go back. "
My couch is pretty far back from the entertainment center, so I have controller extensions on the ps2 controllers.  Wireless is a much more elegant solution.


Post by Godwind (1,564 posts) See mini bio

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@The_A_Drain said:
" @Godwind said:
"Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market."

The PS3's a powerful machine, but it's not that powerful. An automated product for doing that would be a converter anyway, seeing as it would be impossible for the PS3 to real-time emulate an Xbox 360 game. That would require an insane amount of processing power, much more than any current PC or game console can muster. So any system for automatically converting code would have to be a converter. They already exist but they are awful at best.   "

Congratz on your new avatar,  you 11 months late.  Anyways, I was joking about before.


Post by Godwind (1,564 posts) See mini bio

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@CL60 said:
" @Godwind said:
" Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market. "
If that happened...say bye to Sony, they would get sued hardcore by Microsoft. "

I thought they were already ripping off each others stuff in the first place.  Would this be truly new?


Post by CL60 (5,730 posts) See mini bio
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@Godwind said:
" @CL60 said:
" @Godwind said:
" Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market. "
If that happened...say bye to Sony, they would get sued hardcore by Microsoft. "
I thought they were already ripping off each others stuff in the first place.  Would this be truly new? "
I'm pretty sure letting your console play your competitors games would be new...yes..


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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@Godwind:

I really liked the default GB avatar, it just so happend I bought Castle Crashers today and like the Owlet even more :) I never understood why I need to change it lol, and it's not 11 months late, I change it when I want to, so it was right on time :)


Post by choffy21 (954 posts) See mini bio
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@The_A_Drain: I like it too


Post by Godwind (1,564 posts) See mini bio

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@CL60 said:
" @Godwind said:
" @CL60 said:
" @Godwind said:
" Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market. "
If that happened...say bye to Sony, they would get sued hardcore by Microsoft. "
I thought they were already ripping off each others stuff in the first place.  Would this be truly new? "
I'm pretty sure letting your console play your competitors games would be new...yes.. "
Like Bleamcast?


Post by CL60 (5,730 posts) See mini bio
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@Godwind said:
" @CL60 said:
" @Godwind said:
" @CL60 said:
" @Godwind said:
" Who ever said it was an emulation for PS2 games?  Ever thought it was for Xbox360 games?  Perhaps so codes don't have to be rehashed and get more games on the market. "
If that happened...say bye to Sony, they would get sued hardcore by Microsoft. "
I thought they were already ripping off each others stuff in the first place.  Would this be truly new? "
I'm pretty sure letting your console play your competitors games would be new...yes.. "
Like Bleamcast? "
First of all that is independently developed emulator. So that has 0 relevance. Such as my original XBOX can play PS2 games. If Sony themselves made their console play the competitors games they would be gone.


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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@Godwind:

As has been said, Bleemcast was not only 3rd party, but the developers were inundated with lawsuits from Sony, and were not supported by Sega at all, it was an unnoficial product which abused a security loophole in the dreamcast hardware. The cost of the lawsuits forced the developers to shut down, even though Sony never officially won the case. But not only that, it was emulating a previous generation console. The PS3 emulating the 360 just isn't possible (at least not traditional emulation methods)



Post by AgentJ (6,534 posts) See mini bio
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Would it just be PS2 or would PSONE games be available too? If so, about time, and it might finally be worth getting a PS3. If not, I suppose i'm still in the market for a Playstation 2. 


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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@AgentJ:

I don't own a PS3 so i'm not 100%, but doesn't it already play PS1 games as well as offer them for download over PSN?


Post by AgentJ (6,534 posts) See mini bio
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@The_A_Drain said:
" @AgentJ: I don't own a PS3 so i'm not 100%, but doesn't it already play PS1 games as well as offer them for download over PSN? "
I'm almost positive that it doesn't play PSone games, though most of the favorites are available on PSN now that FFVII is there


Post by Jeust (1,320 posts) See mini bio
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@get2sammyb said:
" Guess what guys. I have a Playstation 2 emulator too. It's called a Playstation 2. I put it on my desk next to my Playstation 3. It's amazing because I can play Playstation 3 games and Playstation 2 games. Who would have thought?


What an amazing solution to backwards compatability. I hear you can buy one for like $30 off eBay. "
awesome!!!! especially when it brakes down... 

Mine did.


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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@AgentJ said:
"@The_A_Drain said:
" @AgentJ: I don't own a PS3 so i'm not 100%, but doesn't it already play PS1 games as well as offer them for download over PSN? "
I'm almost positive that it doesn't play PSone games, though most of the favorites are available on PSN now that FFVII is there
"

Just had a chat with a friend, apparently US and JP PS3's are fully PS1 compatable, but Europe ones use software emulation like the PS2 emulation, which was stopped. Again not sure if that's 100% the wiki doesnt mention PS1 compatability at all. If it's true, then it might mean they removed the chip at the same time as removing the emotion engine chip (or maybe it was part of the emotion engine chip) so they might not be BC now. That's pretty crappy I was under the impression 100% PS1 BC ;_;


Post by Gargantuan (338 posts) See mini bio
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@get2sammyb said:
" @Byakuei: Oh shut up you idiot. If you want to play PS2 games so badly you'll either buy a PS2 or borrow a friends. It's not rocket science. Like I've already said - it's not the ideal solution. But it's a solution all the same.Stop complaining for the sake of complaint. It's all people tend to do on video game forums I swear. "
Sammy, I knew you were a fanboy but dude, what the hell?
They promised something and didn't deliver, it's that simple. Stop insulting people.


Post by KingBroly (587 posts) See mini bio
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@The_A_Drain said:
" @AgentJ said:
"@The_A_Drain said:
" @AgentJ: I don't own a PS3 so i'm not 100%, but doesn't it already play PS1 games as well as offer them for download over PSN? "
I'm almost positive that it doesn't play PSone games, though most of the favorites are available on PSN now that FFVII is there
"
Just had a chat with a friend, apparently US and JP PS3's are fully PS1 compatable, but Europe ones use software emulation like the PS2 emulation, which was stopped. Again not sure if that's 100% the wiki doesnt mention PS1 compatability at all. If it's true, then it might mean they removed the chip at the same time as removing the emotion engine chip (or maybe it was part of the emotion engine chip) so they might not be BC now. That's pretty crappy I was under the impression 100% PS1 BC ;_; "
All PS3's have software-based PS1 emulation.  Whether you can play the PSN versions on any region's PS3 is still a mystery to me (I think you can, though).  Original European PS3's had partial PS2 BC emulating the EE, not the GS.


Post by get2sammyb (4,191 posts) See mini bio
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@Gargantuan: That's not the point though. It's really not the point. Thankfully, I've had enough responses in this thread to reiterate that people appreciate the point that people are just looking to complain. And it winds me up no end.

What the hell is this "promised features" bullshit. They pulled the feature because, presumably people like yourself, were crying that the system was too expensive. Are you more concerned with playing Playstation 2 games or having some kind of moral highground over a faceless International company?

I'll reiterate. If you really want to play PS2 games (and I mean: you want to enough to come moaning on these boards) then you'll buy a PS2 or borrow a friends. I've already said that I agree it's not an ideal solution. If you're so disappointed your PS3 doesn't play PS2 games, then a bit of simple research could have ensured you avoided the "terrible" purchasing decision.

At the end of the day I'm done with people moaning about every move every company in the video game industry makes - and that includes Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, SEGA, EA, whoever. It's getting boring. I'm starting to wonder if any of us actually played video games for fun at any point or not. This forums thing is getting ridiculous.

And yes I'm well aware I don't have to post here.


Post by CL60 (5,730 posts) See mini bio
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@get2sammyb said:
" @Gargantuan: That's not the point though. It's really not the point. Thankfully, I've had enough responses in this thread to reiterate that people appreciate the point that people are just looking to complain. And it winds me up no end.What the hell is this "promised features" bullshit. They pulled the feature because, presumably people like yourself, were crying that the system was too expensive. Are you more concerned with playing Playstation 2 games or having some kind of moral highground over a faceless International company?I'll reiterate. If you really want to play PS2 games (and I mean: you want to enough to come moaning on these boards) then you'll buy a PS2 or borrow a friends. I've already said that I agree it's not an ideal solution. If you're so disappointed your PS3 doesn't play PS2 games, then a bit of simple research could have ensured you avoided the "terrible" purchasing decision.At the end of the day I'm done with people moaning about every move every company in the video game industry makes - and that includes Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, SEGA, EA, whoever. It's getting boring. I'm starting to wonder if any of us actually played video games for fun at any point or not. This forums thing is getting ridiculous.And yes I'm well aware I don't have to post here. "
Just shutup, you look stupid. The price drop from removing BC was barely anything to get excited about. They promised the feature as a major selling point then took it out, there you go, people have the right to complain about it, so just shut the hell up.


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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@get2sammyb:

People have the right to complain, and you in turn have the right to complain about that. It's a fair cop. Some people will indeed complain for the sake of it, others feel their complaints are justified. Regardless of which category somebody falls into, they have the right to voice those opinions, and so do you.

I personally feel somebody in my situation who collects videogames, and owns over 100 PS2 titles, has every reason to complain, the PS2 isn't going to last forever (mine is on it's last legs as it is) and it wasn't just a simple promise on a feature list somewhere, it was a significant portion of their PR material, and one of the key reasons they brought up as to why their console was better than Microsofts. Sure, they cut it to lower the price, and they achieved what? Very little, it saved them more money than it did the (whiny or otherwise) consumer. So the fact they quietly swept it under the carpet in order to save themselves a few bucks iritates the fuck out of me, equally as much as, if not more than, people complaining about it does you. 


Post by get2sammyb (4,191 posts) See mini bio
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@The_A_Drain: I can see what you're saying but as someone who "collects video games" and has over "100 PS2 titles" I'm going to assume you're going to have the original hardware, and you seem like the type of person (as a collector) who would play that collection on the original hardware.

I'm absolutely astounded that essentially a positive post (concerning the idea of PS2 software emulation being in the works) has managed to end up as another "fuck you Sony we hate you and you never do anything right because we can't be pleased because we're assholes" thread.

But then, as a part of this hypocritical generation I expect nothing less.

I suppose I'm an idiot for things for what they are rather than holding the moral highground over a company.

Still I really wish my car could fly. Fuck you Ford. FUCKING FUCK YOU FORD for not making my car fly in the 21st century.


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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@get2sammyb:

See now you're just whining. Ford never promised you your car could fly, and they never told you that your car was better then another car for that very reason.

I'm not interested in any moral highground bullshit, i'm interested in the fact that of all the pieces of kit inside the PS3, the PS2 chip was the least costly and would not have reduced the price enough (and indeed didnt) to make a difference to consumers who were complaining about price, so it was a futile effort. I'm also interested in the fact (as I stated, and you ignored) that I collect games, and my PS2 is on it's last legs, by making me buy another PS2 when this one dies, that makes me far less likely to buy a PS3 simply because although it's not a huge wadge of cash, £45 is enough of a hit to mean that I could no longer warrant buying a PS3 within a similar time period. So what do I do? Do I abandon all those PS2 games, and buy a PS3? Why the fuck should I do that? Moral high ground be damned, I don't care about that, I just want access to my PS2 games, access I was promised. Trust me, i'd much rather be sat here with a fully BC PS3 happily putting my old PS2 into storage or giving it to my brother. But instead i'm faced with some difficult decisions, regarding what to purchase over the next 6 months.

Believe it or not, this thread only turned sour because people like you waded in here with your "Who gives a fuck? Buy a PS2" attitudes, only then did people start arguing back and forth. You don't like people complaining about lack of BC, awesome, epic, i'll support you all the way. But don't come up in here telling people it doesn't matter, and then paint us as some kind of hooting zealot for finding the idea that Sony might finally be adding that functionality back into the PS3 appealing. 

I also don't have the physical room to put a PS3 and a PS2. I barely have the room to accomodate the size jump up from the PS2 to PS3. Things like this might not matter to you, but the fact they matter to someone else makes them no less valid. Your car comparison just makes you looks whiny, I was much more willing to put up with your opinion until you did that, it's nothing alike this (or any other similar) situation, instead it's fantastical and sarcastic.


Post by pornstorestiffi (1,688 posts) See mini bio
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@get2sammyb said:
.I'm absolutely astounded that essentially a positive post (concerning the idea of PS2 software emulation being in the works) has managed to end up as another "fuck you Sony we hate you and you never do anything right because we can't be pleased because we're assholes" thread.
I feel the same way, i just don´t get it. Why cant people just be happy or a change.





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