Square-Enix 2008 profit down 74%

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So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html

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So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html

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I think that this is what happens when you do the same thing for more than a decade.

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I think that this is what happens when you do the same thing for more than a decade.

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Throne said:

"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"

But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers.

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Throne said:

"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"

But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers.

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zitosilva said:

"Throne said:
"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"
But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

I'd like to believe that, but they still have Final Fantasy XIII, and that game is still the number 1 most wanted game in Japan, still! I'm guessing all Square is really good for these days in the FF series. And even with the remakes, their profit is just plundering.

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zitosilva said:

"Throne said:
"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"
But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

I'd like to believe that, but they still have Final Fantasy XIII, and that game is still the number 1 most wanted game in Japan, still! I'm guessing all Square is really good for these days in the FF series. And even with the remakes, their profit is just plundering.

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this does not surprise me a bit

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this does not surprise me a bit

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zitosilva said:

"Throne said:
"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"
But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

It isn't a problem with PS3 support, it's a problem with SquareEnix support. They are not good game developers and so they do not make money. If you believe they used to have talent, so be it. But they lost any and all of it, long ago.

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zitosilva said:

"Throne said:
"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"
But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

It isn't a problem with PS3 support, it's a problem with SquareEnix support. They are not good game developers and so they do not make money. If you believe they used to have talent, so be it. But they lost any and all of it, long ago.

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Well we haven't seen a "real" Dragon Quest game on Wii yet, either...

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Well we haven't seen a "real" Dragon Quest game on Wii yet, either...

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BiggerBomb said:

"zitosilva said:
"Throne said:
"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"
But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

It isn't a problem with PS3 support, it's a problem with SquareEnix support. They are not good game developers and so they do not make money. If you believe they used to have talent, so be it. But they lost any and all of it, long ago."

I agree. They lost a lot of credibility when SquareSoft became SquareEnix. And all the games that they released thus far (excluding FFX) were really not that fun.

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BiggerBomb said:

"zitosilva said:
"Throne said:
"So, what do you guys think of this? Square needs to get their act together. They need to start bringing out PS3 titles simultaneously with the 360. There are 2.5 million PS3s in Japan while there are 800,000 360s, so I think not delaying the PS3 version will be a good thing for them.

http://chartget.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-square-enix-2008-unit-sales-down.html"
But I don't think this is happening exclusively because of the lack of ps3 support. It is to some degree, but I don't think that the general quality of the las two 360 games were a lot of help. I can't say anything about profit because I haven't seen the number, but they haven't been very well loved, neither by critics nor by gamers."

It isn't a problem with PS3 support, it's a problem with SquareEnix support. They are not good game developers and so they do not make money. If you believe they used to have talent, so be it. But they lost any and all of it, long ago."

I agree. They lost a lot of credibility when SquareSoft became SquareEnix. And all the games that they released thus far (excluding FFX) were really not that fun.

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Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively. Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives.

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Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively. Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives.

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Bring out a FFVII remake! Done!

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Bring out a FFVII remake! Done!

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brukaoru said:

"Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively. Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives."

This, seriously.

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brukaoru said:

"Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively. Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives."

This, seriously.

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brukaoru said:

"Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively. Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives."

I don't know, I have my doubts abou this. I think that FF XII really put a lot of players away from that state of "If it's Final Fantay it is good and I'll buy it right away!". I know a lot of people like it, but, at least that's my impression, a great deal of them were extremely disappointed with the game's story and characters.

I really want to believe that FF XIII will be a good game, but wanting rarely adds up to anything.

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brukaoru said:

"Profits will go back up whenever the next Final Fantasy games release.

Seriously though they released fewer games this year than last year, which is one reason why sales are down comparatively. Also, this is in Japan. The sales for the 360 just started to increase significantly in the last few months there and some of the few games they released this year happened to be 360 exclusives."

I don't know, I have my doubts abou this. I think that FF XII really put a lot of players away from that state of "If it's Final Fantay it is good and I'll buy it right away!". I know a lot of people like it, but, at least that's my impression, a great deal of them were extremely disappointed with the game's story and characters.

I really want to believe that FF XIII will be a good game, but wanting rarely adds up to anything.

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I'm glad, I hope it goes down even further. They've been releasing nothing but complete shit, and I feel nothing for this.

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I'm glad, I hope it goes down even further. They've been releasing nothing but complete shit, and I feel nothing for this.

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I guess that's what happens when you release fuck all.

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I guess that's what happens when you release fuck all.

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BiggerBomb said:

"I think that this is what happens when you do the same thing for more than a decade."

Amen.

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BiggerBomb said:

"I think that this is what happens when you do the same thing for more than a decade."

Amen.

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Well, with the lack of big hit releases by Square i'm not surprised. Love them to death but come on - it's taking so long.

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Well, with the lack of big hit releases by Square i'm not surprised. Love them to death but come on - it's taking so long.

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it is not only the releases.

The PS3 Crowd is hungry for Jrpg's the 360 crowd is not.
It is that simple.

They are not trying to sell to the market that actually want the Jrpg's instead they are going for the 360 market that already have a few Good Jrpg's to tie them over.

Who ever is in charge over there is somewhat of a moron.
Basic Business 1o1 says that you sell to the people who wants your crap instead of selling them to the saturated market.

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it is not only the releases.

The PS3 Crowd is hungry for Jrpg's the 360 crowd is not.
It is that simple.

They are not trying to sell to the market that actually want the Jrpg's instead they are going for the 360 market that already have a few Good Jrpg's to tie them over.

Who ever is in charge over there is somewhat of a moron.
Basic Business 1o1 says that you sell to the people who wants your crap instead of selling them to the saturated market.

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pause422 said:

"I'm glad, I hope it goes down even further. They've been releasing nothing but complete shit, and I feel nothing for this."

I love Square-Enix and FF8, 10, 11, and 12 are basically my favorite games of all time. That said, they've failed this generation. No one bought a 360 for their games so they shouldn't be making games for it. It's flat out stupid business. More important than that though, they should be making good games! There was a time when Square made great original IPs like Parasite Eve and Vagrant Story that complimented the FF games. Now they're shoveling unfinished, untested crap for 360 and DS and wondering why the market is the way it is. So I agree with pause422. I think a company that gives crap to its supporters deserves a decrease in profits and I would love to see it get worse for them.

CrimsonAngel said:

"it is not only the releases.

The PS3 Crowd is hungry for Jrpg's the 360 crowd is not.
It is that simple.

They are not trying to sell to the market that actually want the Jrpg's instead they are going for the 360 market that already have a few Good Jrpg's to tie them over.

Who ever is in charge over there is somewhat of a moron.
Basic Business 1o1 says that you sell to the people who wants your crap instead of selling them to the saturated market."

Exactly.

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pause422 said:

"I'm glad, I hope it goes down even further. They've been releasing nothing but complete shit, and I feel nothing for this."

I love Square-Enix and FF8, 10, 11, and 12 are basically my favorite games of all time. That said, they've failed this generation. No one bought a 360 for their games so they shouldn't be making games for it. It's flat out stupid business. More important than that though, they should be making good games! There was a time when Square made great original IPs like Parasite Eve and Vagrant Story that complimented the FF games. Now they're shoveling unfinished, untested crap for 360 and DS and wondering why the market is the way it is. So I agree with pause422. I think a company that gives crap to its supporters deserves a decrease in profits and I would love to see it get worse for them.

CrimsonAngel said:

"it is not only the releases.

The PS3 Crowd is hungry for Jrpg's the 360 crowd is not.
It is that simple.

They are not trying to sell to the market that actually want the Jrpg's instead they are going for the 360 market that already have a few Good Jrpg's to tie them over.

Who ever is in charge over there is somewhat of a moron.
Basic Business 1o1 says that you sell to the people who wants your crap instead of selling them to the saturated market."

Exactly.

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I'm still a fan of Square Enix, though they need to rein in their quality control. Some of the issues with Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery held the games back, while a lack of strong PR work for either game kept them from the mainstream.

With FFXIII on the horizon, I imagine their profits will soar through the roof.

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I'm still a fan of Square Enix, though they need to rein in their quality control. Some of the issues with Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery held the games back, while a lack of strong PR work for either game kept them from the mainstream.

With FFXIII on the horizon, I imagine their profits will soar through the roof.

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a lot of game developers are going through rough times. if theyre anything like most corporations, theyll blame the consumers.

However, its good. This will force them to innovate and to actually do what people WANT. Also, I personally hate Final Fantasy, so maybe theyll make something that im interested in. Maybe another Bushido Blade? Id buy that.

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a lot of game developers are going through rough times. if theyre anything like most corporations, theyll blame the consumers.

However, its good. This will force them to innovate and to actually do what people WANT. Also, I personally hate Final Fantasy, so maybe theyll make something that im interested in. Maybe another Bushido Blade? Id buy that.

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Keeng said:

" Now they're shoveling unfinished, untested crap for 360 and DS and wondering why the market is the way it is. "

Jeez, I am unsure how many times we have been over this now, but once again: Square has only developed one game this generation for the 360 which is very new and most people have probably not even played yet.

As for the DS - I have yet to play it but isn't TWEWY supposed to be one of the better DS titles from this year?

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Keeng said:

" Now they're shoveling unfinished, untested crap for 360 and DS and wondering why the market is the way it is. "

Jeez, I am unsure how many times we have been over this now, but once again: Square has only developed one game this generation for the 360 which is very new and most people have probably not even played yet.

As for the DS - I have yet to play it but isn't TWEWY supposed to be one of the better DS titles from this year?

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They really should get out a fixed Last Remnant out for the ps3. I'm gonna get Valkyria Chronicles anyway, someone has to start giving RPG loving to the ps3 ASAP.

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They really should get out a fixed Last Remnant out for the ps3. I'm gonna get Valkyria Chronicles anyway, someone has to start giving RPG loving to the ps3 ASAP.

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That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy.

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That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy.

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chililili said:

"They really should get out a fixed Last Remnant out for the ps3. I'm gonna get Valkyria Chronicles anyway, someone has to start giving RPG loving to the ps3 ASAP."

i heard eternal sonata is really good too. try the demo for both :P

but they should try to release more quality titles and advertise for them. like infinate undiscovery and last remnant both released with not that much info or ads (even tho there were a couple for last remnant ive seen)

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chililili said:

"They really should get out a fixed Last Remnant out for the ps3. I'm gonna get Valkyria Chronicles anyway, someone has to start giving RPG loving to the ps3 ASAP."

i heard eternal sonata is really good too. try the demo for both :P

but they should try to release more quality titles and advertise for them. like infinate undiscovery and last remnant both released with not that much info or ads (even tho there were a couple for last remnant ive seen)

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No Final Fantasy

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No Final Fantasy

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AndrewGaspar said:

"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."

DuhQbnSiLo said:

"No Final Fantasy"

final fantasy 4 not count?

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AndrewGaspar said:

"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."

DuhQbnSiLo said:

"No Final Fantasy"

final fantasy 4 not count?

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shadows_kill said:

"AndrewGaspar said:
"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."
DuhQbnSiLo said:
"No Final Fantasy"
final fantasy 4 not count?"

Not exactly a big release was it?

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shadows_kill said:

"AndrewGaspar said:
"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."
DuhQbnSiLo said:
"No Final Fantasy"
final fantasy 4 not count?"

Not exactly a big release was it?

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Will1Lucky said:

"shadows_kill said:
"AndrewGaspar said:
"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."
DuhQbnSiLo said:
"No Final Fantasy"
final fantasy 4 not count?"
Not exactly a big release was it?"

still a final fantasy unless there talking about a console one not a handheld.

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Will1Lucky said:

"shadows_kill said:
"AndrewGaspar said:
"That's what happens when you don't release a Final Fantasy."
DuhQbnSiLo said:
"No Final Fantasy"
final fantasy 4 not count?"
Not exactly a big release was it?"

still a final fantasy unless there talking about a console one not a handheld.

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I haven't played an rpg since FFX because Square hasn't released anything decent for Sony. Square-Enix is like Lu Bu and they will get caught sleeping by Microsoft, the Kingdom of Wei, and will get their head cut off for showing no loyalty for anyone. History will repeat itself in such a manner.

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I haven't played an rpg since FFX because Square hasn't released anything decent for Sony. Square-Enix is like Lu Bu and they will get caught sleeping by Microsoft, the Kingdom of Wei, and will get their head cut off for showing no loyalty for anyone. History will repeat itself in such a manner.

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Sounds like FFXIII needs to get that Japanese 360 release.

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Sounds like FFXIII needs to get that Japanese 360 release.

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