Hideki Kamiya calls Sony all-star super smash bros a rip-off

#151 Posted by Village_Guy (2546 posts) -

Well, he is right, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it.

These days, it is almost impossible not to create something that could be called a rip-off. Not just in video games, but in any medium.

#152 Posted by N7 (3587 posts) -

Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is a ripoff of Devil May Cry.
 
Now how does that feel!? Huh!? HUH!?

#153 Posted by obcdexter (592 posts) -

Well, let's be brutally honest here: It is a blatant rip-off. No, not the fact that Sony creates their own cross-over brawler (Nintendo didn't "invent" either of the two things), but the way how it all comes together. The way it looks, is structured, will most likely play - it all just screams at the top of its lungs: "I hope we can copy Smash Bros. story of success." They didn't even try to be original, or so it seems at this point.

But I still fail to see why that is supposed to be such a big deal. It's not like ripping off successful concepts is anything new in this (or any) line of business - blatant or subtle.

#154 Posted by LD50 (415 posts) -

@Tobiass said:

@Rohok said:

I understand any of what was written in those pictures. Tell that guy to learn english.

Oh boy, a teabagger that can't spell. You know the nazis are here when you see that flag and the horrible spelling.

I must be stupid too, but I'm from that country. Which word is spelled wrong?

#155 Posted by Wong_Fei_Hung (642 posts) -

Haha, good on him for being so forthright with these Sony kids.

#156 Posted by Tebbit (4461 posts) -

@ma_rc_01 said:

@Daneian said:

@49th said:

No shit kojima go back to metal gear

uhh...

Yeah, but I also thought it was kojima at first glance, then I read it again.

Also, of course it's a ripoff, but I like my playstation characters more than I like the nintendo ones.

Regardless of the inaccuracy of the reference, his statement stands true.

#157 Posted by TMBaker (230 posts) -

I believe we all knew this from first seeing it (battle royale), it's just a matter on whether you really care that it's a plain rip off. I like to think I'd give the game a chance before I hate on it suppose.

#158 Posted by Deranged (1837 posts) -

I don't see the issue here. The gaming industry is all about ripping each other off in one way or another.

#159 Posted by JeanLuc (3579 posts) -

Did anyone ever think it was not a rip-off?

#160 Posted by The_Nubster (2099 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@Video_Game_King said:

@Hailinel said:

@The_Nubster said:

I don't now about what anyone else thinks, but this dude is being kind of a complete fucker.

All he did was state his opinion of the game on Twitter and then started manhandling the fanboys coming out of the woodwork. That's not exactly being a complete fucker.

Saying that Sony threw away their morals by making this game (or whatever the hell he's saying) is, though.

Nope. Because once again, that's his opinion.

He's allowed to have his opinion, but he's being a complete fucker about it. He's just stating a thing (a thing which insults everyone who's pouring their heart and soul into PS All-Stars), not backing it up with anything, and then proceeding to insult people who are just asking for the reasoning behind his thoughts. And saying that making a similar game is morally bankrupt is absolutely ridiculous; that condemns entire genres which exist on shared gameplay mechanics, like RTS games and FPS games. All-Stars is not the first, nor will it be the last, arena-based fighter, and it isn't any less for using Smash Bros. as an inspiration.

#161 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

This guy is my fucking hero. Give this guy a bigger platform, please.

#162 Posted by Brodehouse (9887 posts) -

He's not wrong, but he's being a real cocksucker about it. Does he expect us to live in a world where there is one franchise per genre or gameplay style? Doesn't that preclude him from making his own style of game since he doesn't make DMC anymore? Vanquish is a cover shooter, Project 100 is a Pikman game.

Games are becoming exactly like music and film for me; the guys who make art I like I find personally repellant. The guys who I do like personally, I can't say I like most of their work (Paul Barnett, David Jaffe). Now I think Hideki Kamiya is an arrogant shithead. I guess that's the new magic of the social networking world.

#163 Posted by Gaff (1712 posts) -

I suddenly feel the urge to play Outfoxies (1994).

#164 Posted by cap123 (2477 posts) -

Kamiya is one of the best twitterers

#165 Posted by buft (3316 posts) -

We all got behind the people claiming zynga games where a ripoff and for me i can get behind this too, doesnt mean i want to stop it coming out but its looking extremely similar

#166 Posted by Timnoldzim (86 posts) -

Kind of weird that he'd get so worked up about this. I mean, he didn't work on Smash Bros. at all, did he?

#167 Posted by Scrawnto (2440 posts) -

@Gaff said

I suddenly feel the urge to play Outfoxies (1994).

Dude! That looks awesome! I can't believe I've never heard of it before. It looks a little like The Showdown Effect.

: Considering he created both DMC and Bayonetta, I'd say not. I doubt he'd call SSB: Brawl a ripoff of the original SSB.

#168 Posted by CitizenKano (25 posts) -

@Bourbon_Warrior: Says the dude with a green name tag.

#169 Posted by Zleunamme (655 posts) -

Captain Obvious should be thanked for his input. Bayonetta was such an original idea like Devil May Cry was.

#170 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

I don't care if it's a rip off, I just know that game looks garbage.

Giving that thing an Evo timeslot making us miss tournament matches...pfft. Fuck that game.

#171 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@Zleunamme said:

 Bayonetta was such an original idea like Devil May Cry was.

this has to be a joke at this point
#172 Edited by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

@CitizenKano said:

@Bourbon_Warrior: Says the dude with a green name tag.

God, I wish they'd get rid of the stupid alliance thing and just let us choose a damn color for our name without having to be associated with a platform or company.

#173 Posted by iAmJohn (6117 posts) -

Kamiya is hilarious and doesn't fuck around and this is why I love him.

#174 Posted by Getz (2997 posts) -

Haha, I love the trash talk. Kamiya is a badass.

#175 Posted by jmood88 (394 posts) -

His responses are hilarious.

#176 Posted by xyzygy (9953 posts) -

@Zleunamme said:

Captain Obvious should be thanked for his input. Bayonetta was such an original idea like Devil May Cry was.

Ummm... lol

#177 Posted by LobsterVendetta (112 posts) -

@Gaff said:

I suddenly feel the urge to play Outfoxies (1994).

You Motherfacker!

And here I was thinking of being clever by saying that Smash Bros is a rip-off of The Outfoxies.

But in all seriousness, the more the merrier. As some have already said, the genre needs competition, simple as that. Sony All-Stars may be disappointing in the "personality" department or in really feeling like a celebration of "Playstation gaming" or whatever, but I admire that the guys at SuperBot are walking into this with a different gameplay mentality, which is enough for me to at least want to try it out and see how it plays. I firmly believe that everyone has to start somewhere, and that once you got your feet on the ground you can only get better so I would hope that if this game is any good, a sequel would add more charm to it. Though maybe I am too optimistic about that.

Either way, no one seems to be planning on making an other Jump Super Stars game, and I don't really care much for an other Nintendo Smash Bros so I don't have a whole lot of options for crazy, free for all fighters.

#178 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5230 posts) -

@Scrawnto said:

@Gaff said

I suddenly feel the urge to play Outfoxies (1994).

Dude! That looks awesome! I can't believe I've never heard of it before. It looks a little like The Showdown Effect.

: Considering he created both DMC and Bayonetta, I'd say not. I doubt he'd call SSB: Brawl a ripoff of the original SSB.

Okami borrows heavily from Zelda and Project P-100 borrows heavily from Pikmin. The base is the same as the game it takes from but builds on it interestingly like with the paint mechanic in Okami and the ability to punch things with people in Project P-100. I feel like PSA:BR builds on the SSB formula considering how you defeat you're opponents, build a super meter, the stages being combinations of franchises, Sony's willingness to use insane characters. The problem is that it looks the most like the game it takes from and barely anyone has played it. For Okami it's hard to know it borrows from Zelda until you play it and with Project P-100 Platinum games have such a good reputation that people will let anything they do slide. This is a new developer from one of the big three platform publishers. People do not want to even give this game a chance. This game could have a lot that's different from SSB but because it doesn't have a public demo yet and all you have is a few pictures and video people are just bombing this game.

SSB needs more direct competition like this, everyone else that has tried it has either didn't have a lot of clout or were released only in Japan. Dissidia doesn't compete because it's so different from SSB as well as being a PSP exclusive. Sony and Microsoft are the only ones that could compete with SSB.

I hesitate to call this game a rip off yet because it means that it is inferior to the original product. We have to wait for it to come out for us to really know.

#179 Edited by EvilKatarn (465 posts) -

Hideki Kamiya's twitter is basically the only reason I still use that thing.

One might at best say that Kamiya's games are inspired by something but they always stray so far from the source that it's forgivable. RE2 is a revered title, DMC pretty much set the standard for every amazing action game to come and he exceeded his own game with Bayonetta.

Whereas Playstation All-Stars: Battle Royale looks incredibly bland and everyone with half a brain can see that it's nothing more than an iterative rip-off of that one Nintendo game.

@Berserker976 said:

So, uh, Mr. Kamiya... does that mean Bayonetta is a rip-off of DMC?

I hope that post is not serious in any way. I think it isn't.

#180 Posted by Rohok (554 posts) -

@LD50 said:

@Tobiass said:

@Rohok said:

I understand any of what was written in those pictures. Tell that guy to learn english.

Oh boy, a teabagger that can't spell. You know the nazis are here when you see that flag and the horrible spelling.

I must be stupid too, but I'm from that country. Which word is spelled wrong?

I left out don't in a horrible late night typo. It should've read "I don't understand".

#181 Posted by Jimbo (9804 posts) -

It is a blatant rip-off, but then so are a lot of games.
 
Also, sick burn on NEOgaf.

#182 Posted by Dagbiker (6974 posts) -

Im just going to leave this here.

#183 Posted by Irvandus (2877 posts) -

Well... it is.

#184 Posted by Binarynova (150 posts) -

Everything's a remix.

#185 Posted by Berserker976 (343 posts) -

@EvilKatarn: yeah, it's serious. I know he essentially created both games, but it's not like it's the same franchise. One was a capcom game, one was a sega game.

If the director of SSB had gone and helped make Playstation All-Stars would that suddenly make this game not a rip-off in your eyes? Otherwise it still seems like a weird double standard.

#186 Posted by Yodasdarkside (276 posts) -

Darksiders turned out pretty good. Just sayin'.

#187 Posted by scarace360 (4828 posts) -

But it is a rip off. Dosen't make it a bad game but it totally is a rip off.

#188 Edited by LD50 (415 posts) -

@Rohok said:

@LD50 said:

@Tobiass said:

@Rohok said:

I understand any of what was written in those pictures. Tell that guy to learn english.

Oh boy, a teabagger that can't spell. You know the nazis are here when you see that flag and the horrible spelling.

I must be stupid too, but I'm from that country. Which word is spelled wrong?

I left out don't in a horrible late night typo. It should've read "I don't understand".

Meh, I know. I didn't like the OP confusing Old Glory with nazi paraphernalia. I was getting into position to give him a tune-up. I'm not mad at him. I'm tired of the casual bigotry.

I don't even necessarily agree with your comment. Japan has gone to great lengths to communicate with the world, and I understood what was in all the pics. I'm not even that smart. No disrespect meant.

Anyway, carry on Sir.

#189 Posted by Psykhophear (939 posts) -
#190 Posted by falling_fast (2210 posts) -

op is incredibly poorly written/designed to piss people off.

#191 Edited by LD50 (415 posts) -

And the fact that you grammatically fucked up a comment criticizing someones English was fucking awesome. That's why I'm following you. That's some shit I would do.

#192 Edited by EvilKatarn (465 posts) -

@Berserker976 Bayonetta improved DMC's action formula, not to mention that the game looks entirely different from DMC. Kamiya hasn't made two games which would look similar.

PS AS:BR looks like a lackluster game, a ripoff and an inferior game to Smash Bros. Those are my opinions, of course, but I think they're right.

#193 Posted by Berserker976 (343 posts) -

@EvilKatarn said:

PS AS:BR looks like a lackluster game, a ripoff and an inferior game to Smash Bros. Those are my opinions, of course, but I think they're right.

One could have easily made that same argument before Bayonetta had come out. ;)

#194 Edited by EvilKatarn (465 posts) -

@Berserker976: Possibly. I don't know if I didn't see all those comments or if I didn't follow gaming as much back then, but I was maybe a bit too stoked for Bayonetta before release to comment on that.

#195 Posted by DukesT3 (1910 posts) -

Sure is and for some reason it appeals to me more than Smash Bros.

#196 Posted by Bloodgraiv3 (2712 posts) -

He's right, that doesn't make it a bad thing but still.

#197 Posted by awesomeusername (4175 posts) -

@Deusx said:

I think All-Stars is a despicable attempt from Sony to keep their horribly numb and week franchises relevant.

Really? That's now what millions of other people think.

@TheHT said:

example:

Person A: Video_Game_King is a retarded fucking moron with an utter lack of intelligence and complete disregard for all life.

Person B: Based on what?

Person A: My opinion, BEEYOTCH.

This made ma laugh. Thank you.

#198 Posted by Colt (110 posts) -

I love how this is the kind of thing everyone dreams about.

I'm sure a lot of us have thought, "Imagine if they made SSB for other consoles with all their own characters, that would be so awesome!"

Good to know if it actually does happen people flip their shit.

#199 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2489 posts) -

This looks a lot better graphically than 2 Super Smash Bros taped together, but yeah, same concept and very similar execution.

I don't really have a problem with it, if it's good, I'll pick it up, especially since I'll get a Vita copy for free.

#200 Posted by Brodehouse (9887 posts) -
@Colt

I love how this is the kind of thing everyone dreams about.

I'm sure a lot of us have thought, "Imagine if they made SSB for other consoles with all their own characters, that would be so awesome!"

Good to know if it actually does happen people flip their shit.

I constantly come up with 2D fighters where EA fights Ubisoft and Square rights Konami and so on.

Dude though, Wrex and Isaac Clarke fight Ezio and Rayman and Lara Croft and Sora fight Solid Snake and Pyramid Head. Why isn't this a game?

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