This game has no soul... (first impressions)

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#1 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

I got the game mailed to me early and I just beat the arcade mode with Parappa. I can't tell you how disappointed I am with this game game so far. The arcade is so bare bones. Pick a character, view their intro scene which is just still images accompanied by voice, fight dudes, fight your rival in a generic background, and than "fight" Polygon Man which consists of fighting regular characters modelled purple and view the ending which is another set of images and voices. I have to spend more time with it but this game so far has zero style. Even the fonts look generic.

I can answer questions if you have any although I might not get back to them right away.

#2 Posted by Thoseposers (786 posts) -

On a scale of 1 to Nickelback, about how generic would you say it is?

#3 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@Thoseposers said:

On a scale of 1 to Nickelback, about how generic would you say it is?

Assuming Nickelback is a 10 and the pinnacle of generic I'd say 8.

#4 Posted by rjayb89 (7724 posts) -

Is it an insult or compliment to call it "Sony Smash Bros."?

#5 Posted by Imsorrymsjackson (855 posts) -

How does it rate on a scale of 7 to 16, 16 being the number 1 higher than 15.

#6 Posted by FLStyle (4723 posts) -

@msavo said:

I got the game mailed to me early and I just beat the arcade mode with Parappa. I can't tell you how disappointed I am with this game game so far. The arcade is so bare bones. Pick a character, view their intro scene which is just still images accompanied by voice, fight dudes, fight your rival in a generic background, and than "fight" Polygon Man which consists of fighting regular characters modelled purple and view the ending which is another set of images and voices. I have to spend more time with it but this game so far has zero style. Even the fonts look generic.

I can answer questions if you have any although I might not get back to them right away.

Not sure what you were expecting, the primary concern for this game was the fighting game mechanics, trying to cross the gap between Super Smash Bros. and traditional fighting games. That's why they were so boastful when they got Seth Killian on board in addition to their programmers and designers who have placed at EVO.

#7 Posted by jimmyfenix (3855 posts) -

this game is poor just poor

#8 Posted by vikingdeath1 (973 posts) -

As someone who absolutely Adores the Super Smash Bros. franchise; will I be disappointed?

the knockout system doesn't look very enticing to me since whats the point of hitting other dudes other than to fill up your meter? I wanna hit dudes and see them take damage! not hit dudes for the sake of hittin dudes :/

#9 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@rjayb89 said:

Is it an insult or compliment to call it "Sony Smash Bros."?

This game wishes it was of the quality of Smash Bros. I've outgrown Nintendo in most cases and would probably identify myself as a Playstation fan, even though I own all platforms, so this game should be for me right? Wrong, at least so far. I played a couple 1v1 matches with my brother and it seems like the game is only suited for 3+ players.

Also I haven't been able to access the Vita version that comes with the game, I assume that will go live during tomorrows PSN Store update.

#10 Posted by JJOR64 (19001 posts) -

I tried the beta out and I didn't care for it at all. Just seemed like a really bad Smash clone to me. Not surprised it's supper blan and generic.

#11 Posted by Milkman (16838 posts) -
@msavo

@Thoseposers said:

On a scale of 1 to Nickelback, about how generic would you say it is?

Assuming Nickelback is a 10 and the pinnacle of generic I'd say 8.

I think that's around a Hoobastank.
#12 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

You're wrong. The game contains what was left of the soul of Seth Killian.

#13 Posted by iAmJohn (6121 posts) -

Could you talk a little more about Polygon Man? Like, is there a distinct character you have to fight in between the reskins, or is it literally just the "Fighting Polygon Team"-alike stuff? If the latter, that seems really disappointing (to say nothing of being a pretty shameful rip-off).

#14 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@vikingdeath1: You'll probably be disappointed. And yeah the knockout system is just off putting to me.

@FLStyle: I expected some amount of charm due to these characters coming together. Say what you will about the Subspace Emissary mode in SSBB but those cutscenes were cool. Seeing all the characters interact with one another just brought a smile to your face but this seems by the books and sorta half assed. Also this is not going to bridge any gaps. They are high if they think the fighting mechanics are deep on any level.

#15 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@iAmJohn said:

Could you talk a little more about Polygon Man? Like, is there a distinct character you have to fight in between the reskins, or is it literally just the "Fighting Polygon Team"-alike stuff? If the latter, that seems really disappointing (to say nothing of being a pretty shameful rip-off).

The latter. You enter the Polygon Man stage, he introduces himself and summons a reskinned characters, in my case Dante. You beat Dante with a super and than Polygon Man enters the ring. You hit him a couple times and he goes back in the background. Rinse and repeat with 2 more characters added and your done. You have a set amount of lives which I assume gets fewer depending on the difficulty.

#16 Posted by JackSukeru (5915 posts) -

Seems about what you'd expect presentation-wise from a fighting game. Not that there's anything right with that.

I like a fair number of the characters that're included in the game so I should be all for this, but I haven't been feeling it at all.

#17 Posted by FLStyle (4723 posts) -

@msavo said:

@vikingdeath1: You'll probably be disappointed. And yeah the knockout system is just off putting to me.

@FLStyle: I expected some amount of charm due to these characters coming together. Say what you will about the Subspace Emissary mode in SSBB but those cutscenes were cool. Seeing all the characters interact with one another just brought a smile to your face but this seems by the books and sorta half assed. Also this is not going to bridge any gaps. They are high if they think the fighting mechanics are deep on any level.

Maybe that says more about the amount of 3rd party characters in PS All Stars than anything else. The established Nintendo characters and its fan-base will always have a deeper connection than a whole bunch of guys and girls just being thrown together for the sake of Sony console players who may not have even touched the games that some of the characters are in. I suspect the developers themselves were in the same position. New Dante and Black Cyborg Raiden's games aren't even out yet compared to Nintendo characters who have decades of games and legions of fans behind them.

As for the mechanics themselves, we'll see what happens when the Apex (Smash Bros. version of EVO) Community gets some time with it.

#18 Posted by MocBucket62 (1234 posts) -
@msavo said:

 The arcade is so bare bones. Pick a character, view their intro scene which is just still images accompanied by voice, fight dudes, fight your rival in a generic background, and than "fight" Polygon Man which consists of fighting regular characters modelled purple and view the ending which is another set of images and voices. 

Wait, you telling me they really did rip off the fighting polygon team from the first Smash Bros? WTF Sony?! I thought the Polygon Man battle would be kind of like a mix between Master Hand and Galactus from MVC3. Your overall impressions do make me less interested in this game.
#19 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11125 posts) -

That sucks, especially considering how Mortal Kombat really upped the anti for fighting game story modes (never mind the extravaganza that was the story mode in Super Smash Bros. Brawl).

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#20 Posted by Cyrisaurus (455 posts) -

Judging a fighting game based on it's story mode...

#21 Posted by VicRattlehead (1398 posts) -

@McGhee: i believe whats left of that is on the sfxtekken disc but you have to spend $20 to unlock it :|

#22 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4362 posts) -

Having no soul...yeah you just nailed it 100%.

#23 Posted by spankingaddict (2677 posts) -

@msavo said:

I got the game mailed to me early and I just beat the arcade mode with Parappa. I can't tell you how disappointed I am with this game game so far. The arcade is so bare bones. Pick a character, view their intro scene which is just still images accompanied by voice, fight dudes, fight your rival in a generic background, and than "fight" Polygon Man which consists of fighting regular characters modelled purple and view the ending which is another set of images and voices. I have to spend more time with it but this game so far has zero style. Even the fonts look generic.

I can answer questions if you have any although I might not get back to them right away.

Is the online any good , and is there an online pass ?

#24 Posted by Commisar123 (1793 posts) -

I would feel better about this game if playing the beta hadn't been so boring

#25 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4683 posts) -

Not surprised. From the announcement video it looked like it lack a unique identity. I want to hear more about the 1vs1 fighting. From playing the beta that seems like the game this game could shine.

#26 Posted by Catarrhal (835 posts) -

@spankingaddict said:

Is there an online pass?

I haven't played the game in question, but no first-party game has ever required an online pass, right?

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#27 Posted by spankingaddict (2677 posts) -

@Catarrhal said:

@spankingaddict said:

Is there an online pass?

I haven't played the game in question, but no first-party game has ever required an online pass, right?

Recently they have . LBP Karting , Twisted Metal , R&C All 4 one ect...

#28 Posted by Getz (3028 posts) -

@rjayb89 said:

Is it an insult or compliment to call it "Sony Smash Bros."?

It's an insult to Smash Bros. Calling it anything but "Smash Bros Cheez Whiz" is an insult.

#29 Posted by WillyFourEyes (82 posts) -

@Getz said:

@rjayb89 said:

Is it an insult or compliment to call it "Sony Smash Bros."?

It's an insult to Smash Bros. Calling it anything but "Smash Bros Cheez Whiz" is an insult.

An insult to Cheez Whiz?

#30 Posted by thechronodarkness (294 posts) -

Thats sony first party games in general. Uncharted just feels like its trying too hard. 2 was the only game in the series that actually felt somewhat natural. The god of war trilogy just feels like made for sci-fi greek movie. Resistance and Killzone just tried to fill that halo fill but on a sony console. Ratchet and clank never clicked with me. More like a B side low budget pixar series.

^NOW! Sony has always excelled with its gameplay. They usually, with the exception of the Resistance trilogy, have some of the best polish in video games in general. Just, none of them have a soul you feel like you want to stay in. The music is usually generic and cheap. Graphics are usually top notch, even if the art design is crap.

So for All Stars, is the actual gameplay half way decent? I didn't expect much from the story. Like sony ever actually published a game with an amazing story.

#31 Posted by WillyFourEyes (82 posts) -

A crossover game like PSASBR doesn't really "need" a story, but if executed properly, could add to the experience. I personally prefer the way the BlazBlue games handled their story modes (even if it didn't make a lot of sense to me sometimes, you still got a good feel for the characters and their motivations).

#32 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19350 posts) -

Can't say I was expecting something great from the game's story. What I really care about are the fighting mechanics, which were starting to come together for me near the end of the beta. It sucks that the game isn't designed for 1v1, though, but I'll be getting this and I'm interested in seeing if I'll quickly get frustrated with the full game or not.

#33 Posted by Phatmac (5726 posts) -

Didn't expect much from a fighting game story so I'm more interested in how it plays.

#34 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@spankingaddict said:

@Catarrhal said:

@spankingaddict said:

Is there an online pass?

I haven't played the game in question, but no first-party game has ever required an online pass, right?

Recently they have . LBP Karting , Twisted Metal , R&C All 4 one ect...

Yes it does have an online pass.

#35 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

Sorry I haven't been going in depth with the gameplay or mechanics, I only played arcade once and a bunch of vs matches against computer and with my brother. I'm in lecture right so I can't play or respond to everything. I can confirm I nailed my poem presentation in my English class :D

#36 Posted by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

@vikingdeath1 said:

As someone who absolutely Adores the Super Smash Bros. franchise; will I be disappointed?

the knockout system doesn't look very enticing to me since whats the point of hitting other dudes other than to fill up your meter? I wanna hit dudes and see them take damage! not hit dudes for the sake of hittin dudes :/

From the little bit I played in the beta, when you start doing a lot of damage to someone, they start shedding orbs that lower their super bar that you can pick up to build your super faster. So it seemed like there was some tug of war happening.

#37 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19350 posts) -

@ExplodeMode said:

From the little bit I played in the beta, when you start doing a lot of damage to someone, they start shedding orbs that lower their super bar that you can pick up to build your super faster. So it seemed like there was some tug of war happening.

No, only throws and items make people lose orbs, and that's at any level. Though, you lose more orbs the more AP you have.

#38 Posted by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ: Weird. There not being any kind of back and forth mechanic was a worry and when I saw that I just figured it was from damage, I guess because that was what I wanted to see.

#39 Posted by Barrock (3536 posts) -

Excusing fighting games for having shitty single player modes makes me sad.

#40 Posted by Petiew (1350 posts) -
@Barrock: Do they really need them? The focus is generally on the fighting mechanics, not the fiction. Most of them do have some sort of story anyway, even if its only character intros, rival battles and then an ending.
#41 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@Petiew said:

@Barrock: Do they really need them? The focus is generally on the fighting mechanics, not the fiction. Most of them do have some sort of story anyway, even if its only character intros, rival battles and then an ending.

I guess after Mortal Kombat I've been spoiled.

#42 Posted by Geurge (97 posts) -

I guess I'm being stupid but I can't work out the combo system. Square seems to be the light attack, triangle the heavy and circle the projectile, but I can't link any attacks into each other apart from square three times.

Although, playing as Daniel in arcade mode I managed to get Sweet Tooth in a pseudo-infinite by pressing down triangle, and then hitting up square and keeping him juggled in the air. Only worked once though, when I let him down I couldn't get him back to being stuck.

#43 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@Geurge: How is Daniel? My brother messed with him one match and said he is super slow and odd moving.

#44 Posted by Petiew (1350 posts) -
@msavo: Yeah, story can be a big plus. It worked well for Mortal Kombat and gave you an easier way to learn the game. Although it isn't as popular here Blazblue is one of my favourites for fighting game story content. There're stories for each character and choices that result in bad endings or gag endings. Once you've completed every story you can play the canon true end which leads into the next game. There are also the Teach Me segments which give you background on the world and past events.
 
But I feel like the actual mechanics are the most important part. Good solid mechanics with a lame story is more appealing to me than a fun story with awful gameplay (In fighting games at least.)
So the story in this game sucks, do you think the gameplay makes up for it? Or are both just bad?
#45 Edited by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@Petiew: It's too early to tell. Hopefully it grows on me. I think I'm going to try and main Parappa and Radec and than experiment with the others. If you played Super Smash Bros before those skills definitely translate.

#46 Posted by Barrock (3536 posts) -

@Petiew said:

@Barrock: Do they really need them? The focus is generally on the fighting mechanics, not the fiction. Most of them do have some sort of story anyway, even if its only character intros, rival battles and then an ending.

In most fighting games, it's excusable. But Smash Brothers and All Stars aren't exactly deep.

#47 Edited by DarthOrange (3864 posts) -

Are you sure your playing it right? I played the beta and loved it, and that IGN presentation looked fantastic. Sure the story mode was bare-bones but the 1v1, 2v2, and FFA looked awesome, and the mechanics feel great and unique. What makes it remind you of smash bros? Did you play the beta? 

#48 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@DarthOrange said:

Are you sure your playing it right? I played the beta and loved it, and that IGN presentation looked fantastic. Sure the story mode was bare-bones but the 1v1, 2v2, and FFA looked awesome, and the mechanics feel great and unique. What makes it remind you of smash bros? Did you play the beta?

Yeah I played the beta and my little time with the final product I walked away with the same impression, it's alright. Nothing special. I dunno I guess I expected Playstation nostalgia overload but that's not what this is. Also 1v1 is sooooooo boring to me the few matches I've had.

#49 Posted by Petiew (1350 posts) -
@rebgav: I guess it's pretty telling that no new fighting game IPs really came to mind after reading that. Skullgirls was mechanically sound and that seems to be pretty much dead. I wonder how much it sold, and if more substantial modes would have helped.
 
@Barrock: Fair point, a good story mode would definitely improve opinions on a game with subpar mechanics.
 
@msavo: I still think it's great they included Parappa in this game. Smash seemed fairly basic but was still fun, the damage bar system looks to me to allow for more strategy than the super attack system in all-stars.
#50 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@Petiew: Last I heard Skullgirls only sold 50,000.

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