I Had An Epiphany In Playstation Home...

Posted by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -

I was in Home, chatting to some people I'd never met and I thought "where have I spoken to people I don't know through the Internet before?"

I pondered it for a while and then I remembered; I regularly speak to people I don't know on Internet message boards. Sometimes I defend the fact there's no point in Home on Internet message boards. Other times I chat with strangers about how there's nothing to do in Home on Internet message boards.

Then I figured something out, commanded my Home avatar to shake his head and went and played a few rounds of bowling with my new digital friends.

Now who's up for some Internet message board bowling while we chat?

Oh... I see.

#1 Edited by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -

I was in Home, chatting to some people I'd never met and I thought "where have I spoken to people I don't know through the Internet before?"

I pondered it for a while and then I remembered; I regularly speak to people I don't know on Internet message boards. Sometimes I defend the fact there's no point in Home on Internet message boards. Other times I chat with strangers about how there's nothing to do in Home on Internet message boards.

Then I figured something out, commanded my Home avatar to shake his head and went and played a few rounds of bowling with my new digital friends.

Now who's up for some Internet message board bowling while we chat?

Oh... I see.

#2 Posted by tekmojo (2302 posts) -

Eh. :)

#3 Posted by Hexpane (1397 posts) -

Did you get orally raped?  That's what home is all about and David Jaffe is 100% behind it.

#4 Posted by StaticFalconar (4850 posts) -

Message boards have a log that we can look things up and have individual threads for discussion. HOME just seems like a big chat room.

#5 Edited by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -
StaticFalconar said:
"Message boards have a log that we can look things up and have individual threads for discussion. HOME just seems like a big chat room."
The point of my post being; what exactly is the problem with that? We all spend our evenings on GiantBomb, many of us log in to Windows Messanger, some of us go on IRC chat rooms, I'd hazard a fair few of us have (or have had) Facebook and MySpace profiles.

Personally I enjoyed my time chatting to these dudes while shooting a few rounds of bowling. Filled out 20 minutes of my time which I didn't want to get stuck into Resistance 2 in. Now I have a buddy to play co-op with next time.

Basically; so many people are flooding to look at the negatives of Home (which I agree, there are problems) without even crediting the slightest things it does right.

As for the "it's pointless" folk - I trust you'll never touch a social networking site, never log into AIM or MSN again and certainly expect you to stop posting on GiantBomb.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
#6 Posted by Manachild (543 posts) -

I think that in essence home is what sony wanted it to be or the foundation is there for it to be that, i just got caught up in wanting it to impliment all the conveniences that xbox live had as far as quick joining games from friends lists without aready being in the game, out of game chats while your playing games and what not. I guess i was also disapointed that the game party system doesnt even project over to the xmb so yeah, what do you want from me sony.

#7 Posted by tekmojo (2302 posts) -

Yesterday I found some football fans discussing the playoffs and upcoming games. I walked up and eased my way into their conversation. At the mall one time, I found this dude preaching political propaganda. I stood there and listened to the guy for a bit. It felt like a political rally, it was immersive and interesting. People gathered around and jumped at the chance to agree and disagree. So used intelligently, Home is a pretty sweet source of information as well.

#8 Edited by StaticFalconar (4850 posts) -

I like the forums more than the chat room style because I can easily scroll up in each individual thread and see how the discussion started and evolved as people talked and shared ideas. There are simple buttons to quote people and edit or own post, so that everybody is up to date the discussion even if we are late in reading the thread.

I mostly use aim or msn for friends I know and not random strangers.

Still overall, I like Home even in its chat room based format it has now. However the state that its in right now seems like a party where the host just provided a big room for people to hang out, but not much activities. Like Ryan said on the Podcast, waiting in line to play a game of bowling shouldn't be happening. At least let me have a friggin stereo or TV in my HOME apartment so there is something for me to do besides watch ads and try to get my charactor to perform oral on others.

And because of the chatroom based format, it seems like a party atmosphere where you can have some good conversations if you are there to start them. However just like a party atmosphere, you only get a snippet of the overall conversation when you join in on other conversations already taking place (that dont happen in forums).

#9 Posted by Hexpane (1397 posts) -

listening to random dudes preach propaganda is entertainment?  ROFL talk about being desperate for something

#10 Posted by GamerGeek360 (1959 posts) -

Glad that a virtual bowling alley helps you figure things out in life. lol

#11 Edited by tekmojo (2302 posts) -
Hexpane said:
"listening to random dudes preach propaganda is entertainment?  ROFL talk about being desperate for something"
Listening to random dudes talk about their gaming experiences for entertainment? Uh yea tell me what's worse. I consider everyone on here to be random as well. And don't try to explain "Oh but hey they're on my friends list!" Unless you know the person in real life, there is no diifference. It's about random experiences in Home that keep me coming back.
*edit* It's the same way to talk about whatever you want. The only difference is the medium it goes through. I could pull up Off-Topic and find a thread where people are talking about useless things. I could sign into Home and find a group of people chatting about useless things. To tell me that it's desperate to listen to new things, and keep an open mind is completetly mind-boggling. But that is my view on this subject as it will probably differ to many, many, others.
#12 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

It IS fucking pointless.

I spend maybe 10 minutes on giantbomb reading posts just to get caught up with news of the world and shit.
And on MSN or facebook I'm talking to PEOPLE I KNOW, who I have shit to settle with. There is shit to be done on these sites/applications. I don't go fiddly fucking around on facebook talking to people I don't know, or adding people to MSN I don't know and talking to them. That would be pointless. Like home. Complete waste of time. It's just Habbo Hotel but worse.

#13 Posted by Otacon (2209 posts) -

The problem is the spectrum of people you ge. Arkthemaniac is complaining about nothing compared to some people you get in home!

#14 Posted by Hexpane (1397 posts) -
tekmojo said:
"Hexpane said:
"listening to random dudes preach propaganda is entertainment?  ROFL talk about being desperate for something"
Listening to random dudes talk about their gaming experiences for entertainment? Uh yea tell me what's worse. I consider everyone on here to be random as well. And don't try to explain "Oh but hey they're on my friends list!" Unless you know the person in real life, there is no diifference. It's about random experiences in Home that keep me coming back.
*edit* It's the same way to talk about whatever you want. The only difference is the medium it goes through. I could pull up Off-Topic and find a thread where people are talking about useless things. I could sign into Home and find a group of people chatting about useless things. To tell me that it's desperate to listen to new things, and keep an open mind is completetly mind-boggling. But that is my view on this subject as it will probably differ to many, many, others.
"
Hey if you like it good for you,  msg boards are all about information and opinions.  I've been on home, there is very little information, and lots of oral rape and creepy stalker behaviour.

I've never been orally raped on Giantbomb so Giantbomb msg boards >>>>> home!
#15 Posted by tekmojo (2302 posts) -
Otacon said:
"The problem is the spectrum of people you ge. Arkthemaniac is complaining about nothing compared to some people you get in home!"
Well I blame Sony for a lot of the social networking problems I've experienced thus far. They obviously hired wrong for that department; the morals in Home are completely fucked right now. Of course with this type of software you are going to get wackos and nutjobs because it's the internet, and it's mostly anonymous. However, I like the fact that we have a right to complain about Home. Not only on the internet forums, but within Home because the community will more than likely break the mold of Sony's initial beta plans and become something so much more (I hope).
#16 Posted by tekmojo (2302 posts) -
Hexpane said:
"tekmojo said:
"Hexpane said:
"listening to random dudes preach propaganda is entertainment?  ROFL talk about being desperate for something"
Listening to random dudes talk about their gaming experiences for entertainment? Uh yea tell me what's worse. I consider everyone on here to be random as well. And don't try to explain "Oh but hey they're on my friends list!" Unless you know the person in real life, there is no diifference. It's about random experiences in Home that keep me coming back.
*edit* It's the same way to talk about whatever you want. The only difference is the medium it goes through. I could pull up Off-Topic and find a thread where people are talking about useless things. I could sign into Home and find a group of people chatting about useless things. To tell me that it's desperate to listen to new things, and keep an open mind is completetly mind-boggling. But that is my view on this subject as it will probably differ to many, many, others.
"
Hey if you like it good for you,  msg boards are all about information and opinions.  I've been on home, there is very little information, and lots of oral rape and creepy stalker behaviour.

I've never been orally raped on Giantbomb so Giantbomb msg boards >>>>> home!"
Touché.
#17 Posted by Zebadee (491 posts) -
Hexpane said:
"tekmojo said:
"Hexpane said:
"listening to random dudes preach propaganda is entertainment?  ROFL talk about being desperate for something"
Listening to random dudes talk about their gaming experiences for entertainment? Uh yea tell me what's worse. I consider everyone on here to be random as well. And don't try to explain "Oh but hey they're on my friends list!" Unless you know the person in real life, there is no diifference. It's about random experiences in Home that keep me coming back.
*edit* It's the same way to talk about whatever you want. The only difference is the medium it goes through. I could pull up Off-Topic and find a thread where people are talking about useless things. I could sign into Home and find a group of people chatting about useless things. To tell me that it's desperate to listen to new things, and keep an open mind is completetly mind-boggling. But that is my view on this subject as it will probably differ to many, many, others.
"
Hey if you like it good for you,  msg boards are all about information and opinions.  I've been on home, there is very little information, and lots of oral rape and creepy stalker behaviour.

I've never been orally raped on Giantbomb so Giantbomb msg boards >>>>> home!"
Wait... you're telling me you have never seen creepy stalker behaviour on the Giantbombs forums?
#18 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

Sorry buddy, but you're really reaching here.
I loved how the latest Bombcast really hit the mark with their discussion about Home.

#19 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -

Sounds almost like your defending Home...Oh god...your defending Home

You sir, are sick

#20 Posted by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -

Oh no no. Not defending it by any means. Just perhaps suggesting that people are looking at Home in the wrong way. In essence it is MSN/GiantBomb/IRC chat/Facebook with more to do. I think it's hypocritical to run around screaming "there's nowt to do" when most of us here use similar technology in IRC, MSN and message boards but accept it for what it is.

This is Nintendo Wii, Wii Fit and Mirror's Edge all over again. People have such a set in stone view of what they should be doing when they turn on their games console that they can't comprehend something that maybe steps outside of the box and opens up the gaming experience to something slightly different. Of course there will flaws in it's design (much like Mirror's Edges level design and Wii's over focus on casual gaming) but Sony have put noted they are committed to the Home experience.

It took even a while for me, but I get it now. I understand Sony's projections for Home and sure, maybe people will never get them (and continue mouthing off in IRC rooms about "how there's nothing to do") but just like those designers trying to build games for the Wii with "waggle replacing buttons" you're all looking at it from the wrong stance.

I'm not going to blindly pretend Home is the second coming of Christ in it's current state. I just get it. And I now realise that like Wii Fit, like the Wii in general, Sony have something different in mind with Home.

Instead of blindly blasting what it is let's keep perception wide for a year and see how it grows? If Sony don't produce what I think they have in mind in the next year then I'll gladly raise my hands and allow you to tell me "told you so".

Of course you're entitled to disagree and not be attracted to it by any means. But I think the backlash (much like the Wii) has been harsh considering people are looking at it from the wrong angle.

Let me put this to you: would you expect the GiantBomb IRC (I think there's one) to do more than allow you to communicate with strangers? If not, why do you spend time in there? If you don't spend time in there, what are you complaining about?

Apply philosophy to Home which allows you to do more than "just chat with strangers".

#21 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -

True

#22 Posted by Hexpane (1397 posts) -

Sony has temp removed VOICE CHAT from HOME.... IGN speculates it's because of the constant stream of griefers.

If there were ever a valid reason to use nuclear weapons, it would be to eliminate online griefers!

As much as I rag on home, in truth I *want* it to be good.  I *want* it to be this awesome Hub of all PS3 online games, allowing you to run around as your Everquest Online Adventures 2 character or your DC UNiverse character or your Vagrant Story ONline character... unfortunately those games do not yet exist an the functionality is not there

#23 Posted by KamasamaK (2409 posts) -
Hexpane said:
"Sony has temp removed VOICE CHAT from HOME.... IGN speculates it's because of the constant stream of griefers.

If there were ever a valid reason to use nuclear weapons, it would be to eliminate online griefers!"
From Sony's blog post, it sounds more like it was for bandwidth/stability reasons. I didn't use Home much, but is there a way to mute someone?
#24 Posted by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -
Kamasama said:
"Hexpane said:
"Sony has temp removed VOICE CHAT from HOME.... IGN speculates it's because of the constant stream of griefers.

If there were ever a valid reason to use nuclear weapons, it would be to eliminate online griefers!"
From Sony's blog post, it sounds more like it was for bandwidth/stability reasons. I didn't use Home much, but is there a way to mute someone?"
I'm glad it's not in there. They should work out some kind of private chat but you shouldn't be able to listen to people talking just because you're standing by them in my opinion. It's a censorship nightmare.

But yes, sounds like it's bandwidth reasons and they're looking to reimplement it later.
#25 Posted by SpinCookie (680 posts) -

Im interested in going back into Home now that we got our bluetooth keyboard to pair with the PS3, yay for fast typing!

#26 Posted by Matthew (1914 posts) -

Great points good sir. I too have Home installed, and while at the moment it is bare boned, the experienced it will give others is still to be decided.

Online
#27 Posted by Hexpane (1397 posts) -
Kamasama said:
"Hexpane said:
"Sony has temp removed VOICE CHAT from HOME.... IGN speculates it's because of the constant stream of griefers.

If there were ever a valid reason to use nuclear weapons, it would be to eliminate online griefers!"
From Sony's blog post, it sounds more like it was for bandwidth/stability reasons. I didn't use Home much, but is there a way to mute someone?"
Well of course Sony is going to say that's the reason.  But if you've been on home, you know it's a griefer's paradise.  R UUUU REEEEEEL GRIILRLRLRLRLRLLL???
#28 Edited by Reuptake (23 posts) -

"StaticFalconar said:

"Message boards have a log that we can look things up and have individual threads for discussion. HOME just seems like a big chat room."
The point of my post being; what exactly is the problem with that? We all spend our evenings on GiantBomb, many of us log in to Windows Messanger, some of us go on IRC chat rooms, I'd hazard a fair few of us have (or have had) Facebook and MySpace profiles.

Personally I enjoyed my time chatting to these dudes while shooting a few rounds of bowling. Filled out 20 minutes of my time which I didn't want to get stuck into Resistance 2 in. Now I have a buddy to play co-op with next time.

Basically; so many people are flooding to look at the negatives of Home (which I agree, there are problems) without even crediting the slightest things it does right.

As for the "it's pointless" folk - I trust you'll never touch a social networking site, never log into AIM or MSN again and certainly expect you to stop posting on GiantBomb.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite."

___________________________________________________________

There's nothing "wrong" with Home.  There's something wrong with Sony spending two years and millions of dollars working on a chat room when they could have been improving PSN, working on PS2 emulation, and fixing a host of other issues.  Instead, we get a chat room with a ton of advertisements, arcade games that you have to stand in a virtual line for, and a company trying to get you to pay fifty cents for a cowboy hat.

And there's nothing hypocritical about it.  The point is there's a hundred other ways to socially network that aren't a drag on Sony's time, labor, and resources.  Home is a joke.  Will it become something fantastic?  It's possible I suppose, but they sure didn't start by putting their best foot forward.
#29 Posted by Hexpane (1397 posts) -
Reuptake said:
 

There's nothing "wrong" with Home. 

There's something wrong with Sony spending two years and millions of dollars working on a chat room when they could have been improving PSN, working on PS2 emulation, and fixing a host of other issues.  Instead, we get a chat room with a ton of advertisements, arcade games that you have to stand in a virtual line for, and a company trying to get you to pay fifty cents for a cowboy hat.

And there's nothing hypocritical about it.  The point is there's a hundred other ways to socially network that aren't a drag on Sony's time, labor, and resources.  Home is a joke.  Will it become something fantastic?  It's possible I suppose, but they sure didn't start by putting their best foot forward."
As the Talking Heads have stated, STOP MAKING SENSE.

SDF doesnt understand that 3 years and MILLIONS of dollars wasted on a 3D advert room could have been spent on a killer MMORPG or PS2 EMU etc... They don't understand it.  They think Sony is like Santa Claus and has unlimited resources.

Just look at the horrible graphics in The Agency and you can clearly see where the money SHOULD have gone.  HOME has decent graphics, but NO GAMEPLAY... what a waste
#30 Posted by KamasamaK (2409 posts) -

I asked this is another thread too, but where do you get these numbers like "3 years and MILLIONS of dollar"? I wasn't aware they released that information. Also, 3 years doesn't even sound like enough time to make a killer MMORPG unless maybe they had some huge workforce.

#31 Posted by get2sammyb (6412 posts) -
Hexpane said:
"Reuptake said:
 

There's nothing "wrong" with Home. 

There's something wrong with Sony spending two years and millions of dollars working on a chat room when they could have been improving PSN, working on PS2 emulation, and fixing a host of other issues.  Instead, we get a chat room with a ton of advertisements, arcade games that you have to stand in a virtual line for, and a company trying to get you to pay fifty cents for a cowboy hat.

And there's nothing hypocritical about it.  The point is there's a hundred other ways to socially network that aren't a drag on Sony's time, labor, and resources.  Home is a joke.  Will it become something fantastic?  It's possible I suppose, but they sure didn't start by putting their best foot forward."
As the Talking Heads have stated, STOP MAKING SENSE.

SDF doesnt understand that 3 years and MILLIONS of dollars wasted on a 3D advert room could have been spent on a killer MMORPG or PS2 EMU etc... They don't understand it.  They think Sony is like Santa Claus and has unlimited resources.

Just look at the horrible graphics in The Agency and you can clearly see where the money SHOULD have gone.  HOME has decent graphics, but NO GAMEPLAY... what a waste"
Y'see I kinda agree with the points you made but it's all based blindly on speculation. If they hadn't worked on Home can you be absolutely sure they would have put something else out instead?

As for "they could have spent the time improving PSN" well as far as I'm aware the service took massive leaps in 2008.

But to some degree I do agree I'm just taking the "something is better than nothing" approach as we certainly can't be sure if there was no Home there'd be something else.

Perhaps they could have bought up Free Radical instead?
#32 Posted by Reuptake (23 posts) -
Kamasama said:
"I asked this is another thread too, but where do you get these numbers like "3 years and MILLIONS of dollar"? I wasn't aware they released that information. Also, 3 years doesn't even sound like enough time to make a killer MMORPG unless maybe they had some huge workforce."
I don't know if they released any numbers or not, but Home's been in development for over two years, and two years of development time ain't cheap.
#33 Edited by Reuptake (23 posts) -
get2sammyb said:
"Hexpane said:
"Reuptake said:
 

There's nothing "wrong" with Home. 

There's something wrong with Sony spending two years and millions of dollars working on a chat room when they could have been improving PSN, working on PS2 emulation, and fixing a host of other issues.  Instead, we get a chat room with a ton of advertisements, arcade games that you have to stand in a virtual line for, and a company trying to get you to pay fifty cents for a cowboy hat.

And there's nothing hypocritical about it.  The point is there's a hundred other ways to socially network that aren't a drag on Sony's time, labor, and resources.  Home is a joke.  Will it become something fantastic?  It's possible I suppose, but they sure didn't start by putting their best foot forward."
As the Talking Heads have stated, STOP MAKING SENSE.

SDF doesnt understand that 3 years and MILLIONS of dollars wasted on a 3D advert room could have been spent on a killer MMORPG or PS2 EMU etc... They don't understand it.  They think Sony is like Santa Claus and has unlimited resources.

Just look at the horrible graphics in The Agency and you can clearly see where the money SHOULD have gone.  HOME has decent graphics, but NO GAMEPLAY... what a waste"
Y'see I kinda agree with the points you made but it's all based blindly on speculation. If they hadn't worked on Home can you be absolutely sure they would have put something else out instead?

As for "they could have spent the time improving PSN" well as far as I'm aware the service took massive leaps in 2008.

But to some degree I do agree I'm just taking the "something is better than nothing" approach as we certainly can't be sure if there was no Home there'd be something else.

Perhaps they could have bought up Free Radical instead?"
Sure, I don't have a crystal ball, and I can't say that if they didn't spend all that time and resources creating Home they would have come up with the next big thing in PS3 entertainment, but I have a difficult time believing they could have done much worse.  We don't know what they would have done in lieu of Home, sure, but it's certainly not difficult to figure out smart ways for them to spend that time and money.  It's all been said before. 

Here's the key thing:  They could have.  The fact that they didn't, and instead made Home, just makes you shake your head for what seems like the umpteenth time over the past few years while muttering, "Oh, Sony... why?"

Maybe in another year Home might end up resembling something halfway decent, but right now it's just a cynical forum for lots of micro-transactions and racist dialogue, intermixed with the occasional game of breakout if no one's hogging the machine.

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