@Burn1n9m4n said:
" @thenexus:
It would seem that you believe (or at the very least are leaning toward) the notion that Sony brought down their own system and passed it off as a hack in an attempt to implement system wide changes, and that the 'hacking group' is a fabrication meant to keep everyone off balance and stall for time while they implement said changes.
Hey there,
Sony did bring down their network. This is fact, be it due to an internal issue or outside source, no outside source took it down, they took it down due to what they say was a hacking attempt. With that in mind If it was not a hack then what could it be, but yeah the above is kind of what I was discussing.
First lets me make this very clear up front. This entire series of posts are speculation. Pure simple speculation. The only bits of evidence we have are what Sony has said to the media. Now since the hacking group has not come forward to take responsibility or credit there is only one source where this news is coming from. Now while I would love to drink the Kool-Aid and board the conspiracy express you're forgetting the most important goal for a corporation: To make money for their investors.
Too Right, I stated a few times that this is just thoughts and their are echos of what I discussed around the web - Of course there will be, But yep, Agree and stated it is speculation.
Your again right that all we have is Sony's information which is minimum at best. They never bothered giving updates for a few days which is bizzare, you have to agree.
I am not forgetting making money, Sony having to shut down their network effects 7-8 million world wide and WILL cost them money, I have no doubt on that and why what ever the issue is, its BIG. Hack or no hack its BIG.
Sony doesn't just have employees and a CEO to pay off. Kaz Hirai has investors in his company that will demand dividends on their investments. Therefore there are quite a few glaring flaws with the idea that Sony brought down their own network. First, if this was the case and Sony did want to implement changes to their system and knew that it would take a long time before the work could be completed they could have stated they were shutting the network down for upgrade reasons. There wouldn't have been all this need for subterfuge. Secondly, the amount of money that Sony has lost as a result of PSN being down, whether through advertising, endorsements, or developer/publisher interests, has got to be a staggering figure which is going up every day that the network is offline. Lastly, if Sony was going to pull this they would have chosen a much better week for it...like say two weeks ago when nothing was out. They wouldn't have chosen a week with 3 big releases (SOCOM 4, MK, and Portal 2) as well as a week with a major holiday/long weekend. Not to mention that Easter this year in the US also fell at the same time that most schools and universities were on spring break. So I find the idea that Sony orchestrated their own network's shutdown in order to facilitate some massive system-wide change to be ridiculous and, frankly, absurd.
Your totally right here, Taking down a network on what for most is a Holiday Easter Break and as you mention with new big games out to fix a minor niggle or something would be hugely STUPID! But as I said, if there is a BIG Flaw which has come to light which is a mind numbing f*** up and needs fixing ASAP it would look bad press if they did do the standard take down note and do so. You have to agree IF this was the case then it would be very very bad for them and because they have had links with Hackers recently it is very easy to blame them. With no Hackers admitting to this yet - which is surprising then you have to consider this. I never said this is the case but you have to look at both sides of the coin and there is SOME reason to consider this. To just assume either case is correct be it hack or no hack would be wrong.
With you putting what I said into a hard "Sony orchestrated shutdown" is very untrue and I am disapointed that what I was trying to put across came off in that way. I read my post again and did not get that myself.
Also its also possible that the 'hackers' that did this are not in it for glory. Maybe their just as greedy as the rest of us and were in it for the money or maybe they were using Rebug to re-enable their blocked PS3 machines so that they could play CoD. I can think of several far more plausible reasons for why the network is down than some far fetched conspiracy theory. However, if there is one thing that your long post has highlighted, which coincides with what I said earlier, Sony is doing a very terrible job with their PR here. They need to release some more details so that poor Patrick Seybold has something more to say other than " Unfortunately, I don't have an update or timeframe to share at this point in time." If they just said that their investigation is on-going then maybe I would be able to be satisfied with that answer. But they aren't even saying anything, which to me is the most infuriating part of the story. But hey what do I know? I've been too busy lately to touch my PS3. Plus I've been waiting for my copy of MK to come in so that I have something new to play as I've exhausted (both the offline and online components) of all the other games I own.
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What does a hacker get out of a hack if it is not for the Glory?
I covered this as well. IF they are in it for the money then they have taken credit card details etc and if that is the case Sony need to be telling people!
The other reasons for hackers is indeed the Glory, Be it to show up a system or company, make another one more prevalent as a result or even just a chip on their shoulder. In all of these types of cases though the Glory is a big part of it and I have not seen no one not claim any major hack attack in the last 10 years. Even false claims by groups for doing something people still want to claim it for the Glory.
This is not the case here and this would be one of the bigger hacks in the last few years so again - You have to question and wonder and that is all I did, I just put it in writing and there will be lots of people out there wondering similiar things.
I respect what your saying, I agree please do not take me thinking it was not a hack as gospel, I did not just say SONY ARE BAD!!! and rant away, I covered the elements as to what normally is the case. This is certanly a unique situation.
On that though you seem to forget that this is not the first time the Network has died and gone down and gone down at prime times etc. The Sony network has gone down for a day, few days before. Never for this long true but it has. So has Xbox live.
BUT... In those cases there has been bigger information and information on those failings etc. As you said Sony would not take the network down as you seem to think I indicated, I agree with you there but this again is not what has happened before. There is something else going on.
We may not know, but even if it was a hack and personal detail is at risk any attack of this nature the users and public have been told about this ASAP. We need or may want to take action to protect ourselves and Sony not saying hardly anything is very disturbing.
Your again right about the information and lack of, it probably is the biggest issue. You have to admit no matter what Sony has not been great dealing with this situation, what ever it is. And recently they have not been doing well and have made themselves look bad. They were warned by the courts in the US over the Hacker news telling them he ran off the country etc. His Lawyer made them aware of his holiday before he went!
Now, Again - Love sony products, I only bought a new Head unit for my car as a JVC due to the spec and price Easter discount on it over the Sony one which looked dam good. I have a PS3 too.
All I am saying is we can not ignroe that something really got messed up By Sony here and no hackers involved. This could indeed be a possibility.
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Even if they were hacked hackers find flaws in the system and IF this is the case this flaw was big enough for Sony to take down the network at a peak time for a long period of time. This means that this flaw is HUGE! and means that the network was built badly on some level to have this HUGE flaw. I am a web developer so what ever this is It's would be a big one.
But then as I mentioned if this is a big issue causing the network to go down you then have to think why no one has come about this before? It could be the case that the cracking open of the PS3 recently has meant that this and other flaws are now visible to hackers. I actually consider this to be a large possibility but then Sony would have to be aware that some of their system would only be protected by this master key rather then being robust enough in its own right. That again would be on Sony's Shoulders and blame.
What I am trying to say is what ever has happened Issues at Sony and problems at Sony and flaws in their system are at the heart of this - so again these and more questions need to be had.
Thanks for the time to read my post, I agree with what you say but please do not take me the wrong way here. I am saying what others are thinking and considering some of the angles here.
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