While, yes, trophies do have a myriad of problems (syncing, sluggish interface, not being as good as achievement points...), them not being in old pre-trophy games has nothing to do with Sony, and them not being in even older PS1 games doesn't matter either. 
Do Xbox Originals have achievements?

Every game on the PS3 released in 2009 onwards had to have trophy support, excluding classics.

" @DanielJW said:

" @quezen: I'm more upset at your awful post format, but that's not really relevant.   Tell me why you're upset again? "

Because Sony as a company has refused to comment about the future of PSN-titles at all.  nor has they said anything about games already released without trophies. Why? because their fanbase are like fanboys, so they never have to take responsibility. "

"no, every XBLA (sega game) isnt a new game, its emulated. SEGA even themselves has said so and thats why some hasn't been up because "they doesnt work properly" today. Its not a new game. "

" no, every XBLA (sega game) isnt a new game, its emulated. SEGA even themselves has said so and thats why some hasn't been up because "they doesnt work properly" today. Its not a new game. "

Microsoft xbox originals arnt to be confused with XBLA. XBLA however has for ex Castlevania(old ps1 game with achievements - HOW COME?!) and for ex Phantasy star II with achievements.
Xbox original used a diffrent system, it use the chip on the xbox to play older games (if I remember correctly) and isnt intergrated with the achievement system at all, while all emulated/dlc games however works fine.

" Microsoft xbox originals arnt to be confused with XBLA. "

" @quezen said:

" no, every XBLA (sega game) isnt a new game, its emulated. SEGA even themselves has said so and thats why some hasn't been up because "they doesnt work properly" today. Its not a new game. "

The games themselves are emulated, but they're also running in complex emulators that are able to add backend and other features to the game that are necessary to being allowed on the service (like Microsoft's mandatory menu layout and all the frontend) whereas the PSOne Classics are the games being straight-up run in a simple emulator that plays the game as it would if you were playing a PSOne.  Please learn what you're talking about before you say it. "

"Microsoft xbox originals arnt to be confused with XBLA. XBLA however has for ex Castlevania(old ps1 game with achievements - HOW COME?!) and for ex Phantasy star II with achievements. Xbox original used a diffrent system, it use the chip on the xbox to play older games (if I remember correctly) and isnt intergrated with the achievement system at all, while all emulated/dlc games however works fine. "

" @quezen said:

" Microsoft xbox originals arnt to be confused with XBLA. "

Right, and by that logic, PSOne Classics aren't to be confused with PSN games.  Thread over. "

Have I denied it being emulated?
While ps3 can run ps1 games, emulator with added achievement/trophy support is for the better, you could etc make every game 60 framerate and add trophies/achievements.
If "ONE PERSON" can (Pete from the emulator scene), then surely sony/square-enix can. 
With that said, isnt FF7 emulated? or is it just luring the console that a "cd" is in the ps3? actually bought ff7 on my pal-ps3 yesterday, gonna get ff8 also later on...

If Sony went back to every developer that made a game for the PS3 before trophies were mandatory the only thing that would accomplish would be pissing off the developers. Because the game was released before the mandatory trophies rule they are not required to do so.  
 
i gotta say this topic started out okay but it is slowly turning into a troll topic.

what is the worst thing that could come from pissing off the developers? are they going to forsake all the money they stand to make on developing games for the ps3? no. are they going to intentionally sabotage the ps3 versions of their games? no. so who cares? game devs' relationship to sony is just business, it's not like they're going to sony's house for christmas dinner.

" @quezen:

"

I just don't get this topic at all.  Sony has no ability to force developers to add trophies to old games.  They're mandatory now, for all retail and PSN releases, how is that not enough? 

Double post and in it added an image, what a moron. but hey, thats how clueless morons argue.

" once again, you make up stuff. SEGA said, they have the same emulator(not emulators)  for every SEGA-game, that emulator could run around 50+ games from the genesis(or mega drive) and for those games that didnt work with that special emulator got "cut". if SEGA could create an emulator that works then sony can also, remember even EPSX or whatever its called can run 99% of every ps1 games today, and its made by one person, surely SONY can do better (or square-enix.).  This notion that Microsoft/SEGA are doing something highly complex is just BS, its sony not giving a shit. Thats why Castlevania worked fine with Achievements, and other classics from SEGA. With that said, if you dont care about trophies/achievements then fine. I do, I have the right to voice my opinion. But until Sony doesnt try and copy MS more, I rather not give a shit about the trophy system at all, and just see it as a badly rip-off from MS. "

" the xbox originals you download are just the old xbox games that run on an xbox360 using an emulation. meaning, your old crimson skies disc from back in the day contains the exact same data you would download if you bought crimson skies on XBLA.   the psone classics exist because most ps3's are not backwards compatible, so they could theoretically do whatever they wanted with them when they toss them on the online store. they're not really the same thing. anyway, saying that sony shouldn't offer a nice feature because microsoft hasn't seems like a fucked-up opinion to have. microsoft has to take the lead on every good idea? "

" the xbox originals you download are just the old xbox games that run on an xbox360 using an emulation. meaning, your old crimson skies disc from back in the day contains the exact same data you would download if you bought crimson skies on XBLA.   the psone classics exist because most ps3's are not backwards compatible, so they could theoretically do whatever they wanted with them when they toss them on the online store. they're not really the same thing. anyway, saying that sony shouldn't offer a nice feature because microsoft hasn't seems like a fucked-up opinion to have. microsoft has to take the lead on every good idea? "

Incorrect.  All PS3s can play PS1 games - even the Slims.  You're technically right that they're not the same thing, but that's because the PSOne Classics aren't exactly using an emulator.  It's the same thing as how they worked on PS2 - slightly upscaled, but basically running as they did. "

You can't blame sony for trophies on their ps1 games. Or if you do, do the same with microsoft and the xbox originals catalogue.
 
And MSG4, you just proved you know nothing about this industry. Its not Sony's fault but Kojima Studios. Blame them if you want to, its their decision, not sony's.
 
Now be a good kid, go drink some eggnog and go play outside, will ya?

" I just don't get this topic at all.  Sony has no ability to force developers to add trophies to old games.  They're mandatory now, for all retail and PSN releases, how is that not enough?  "

" @quezen: Quezen, really? I mean really? Calling everyone an idiot doesn't get you anywhere. Also, why is everyone else wrong? You are saying that everyone else is making stuff up and still you insist that you know what kind of an effort it takes to add trophy support to a game? Where do you get this information from?    Can someone please lock this thread? "

konami have said that they may still add trophy support. I know I would go back and play it again... in fact I've been waiting to see if they do.
 
 http://kotaku.com/5163224/konami-still-pondering-trophies-for-metal-gear-solid-4

" They "can't" force anyone but if your biggest game( or one of them ) lack one of the bigger features, then thats an issue.  However, since this thread is flooded with trolls and morons (and sonyfanboys) lets end the topic now, I kind of expected all sonyfanboys to deny they care for trophies and not even ask sony for asking Konami TBH. "

" @EvilTwin said:

" I just don't get this topic at all.  Sony has no ability to force developers to add trophies to old games.  They're mandatory now, for all retail and PSN releases, how is that not enough?  "

They "can't" force anyone but if your biggest game( or one of them ) lack one of the bigger features, then thats an issue.  However, since this thread is flooded with trolls and morons (and sonyfanboys) lets end the topic now, I kind of expected all sonyfanboys to deny they care for trophies and not even ask sony for asking Konami TBH. "

" @quezen: The reason that it happened is simple.  I started by trying to show why it wont happen in an intellegent manner.  You completly ignored what I and other users were saying.  Calling us liers, idiots, etc.  Please re-read your previous posts for proof.  My images came when you decended into Troll territory.  Fight fire with fire I say. "

" @quezen said:

" @EvilTwin said:

" I just don't get this topic at all.  Sony has no ability to force developers to add trophies to old games.  They're mandatory now, for all retail and PSN releases, how is that not enough?  "

They "can't" force anyone but if your biggest game( or one of them ) lack one of the bigger features, then thats an issue.  However, since this thread is flooded with trolls and morons (and sonyfanboys) lets end the topic now, I kind of expected all sonyfanboys to deny they care for trophies and not even ask sony for asking Konami TBH. "

I'd say this counts as calling everyone a moron. Also, you didn't answer my question: how do you know how much time and money goes into adding trophy support? "

" @Skye said:

" Chill out, no one forces you to play trophyless games, just be grateful that some games do have them. People played games for decades without trophies/achievements. "

Then just take away the support. if you gonna do something do something right like microsoft did. "

"@JokerClown88 said:

" @quezen: The reason that it happened is simple.  I started by trying to show why it wont happen in an intellegent manner.  You completly ignored what I and other users were saying.  Calling us liers, idiots, etc.  Please re-read your previous posts for proof.  My images came when you decended into Troll territory.  Fight fire with fire I say. "

You must be insane, wtf are you talking about, I called him for  a liar for claiming I CALLED EVERYONE FOR AN IDIOT.  fight fire with fire... wtf are you on.  who personally attacked me? who recommend me "starting up my brain? was that you? and I had said what? that offended you so much? "

OH THATS WHAT IT MEANS...
 
 -start up your brain" is another way to say "open your eyes."
 
oh,  so you wasnt attacking me?
then moron in Swedish means "great friends".
Also, every post I make is "angry" but this guy isn't he meant it in a friendly way to start up my brain.
Well thank you sir, im glad you keep it at a friendly level. I also love your argument, that calling someone in the UN for a moron would be a great upset, try ask a leader to finally start up his brain while debating, im sure he will see no problems with it.

" @EVO said:

" @quezen said:

" @EVO said:

" @quezen said:

" @Skye said:

" Chill out, no one forces you to play trophyless games, just be grateful that some games do have them. People played games for decades without trophies/achievements. "

Then just take away the support. if you gonna do something do something right like microsoft did. "

You've gotta be fucking kidding me. "

no, but you must. If the idea or the notion that developers should decied for themselves the system will be useless, it would be like achievements over Windows, who cares? Then developers like blizzard will make their own for their games. "

Forget trophies, let's apply this logic to, say, airbags:  Ford introduced airbags in 1971, but it wasn't until 1994 that they made them standard. When they did this, do you think they thought "hey, we don't have airbags in every car, maybe we should just not add them at all"? Of course they didn't. That would be fucking retarded.  I know there's a huge difference, but essentially you're logic is just as retarded. "

aaaaannnd.... Checkmate. "

" @RaisingIndiana said:

" @EVO said:

" @quezen said:

" @EVO said:

" @quezen said:

" @Skye said:

" Chill out, no one forces you to play trophyless games, just be grateful that some games do have them. People played games for decades without trophies/achievements. "

Then just take away the support. if you gonna do something do something right like microsoft did. "

You've gotta be fucking kidding me. "

no, but you must. If the idea or the notion that developers should decied for themselves the system will be useless, it would be like achievements over Windows, who cares? Then developers like blizzard will make their own for their games. "

Forget trophies, let's apply this logic to, say, airbags:  Ford introduced airbags in 1971, but it wasn't until 1994 that they made them standard. When they did this, do you think they thought "hey, we don't have airbags in every car, maybe we should just not add them at all"? Of course they didn't. That would be fucking retarded.  I know there's a huge difference, but essentially you're logic is just as retarded. "

aaaaannnd.... Checkmate. "

You can think of MGS4 (or other  older PS3 games) as a model of car that was sold around 1994 (lets say a Taurus).  Before 1994, a Taurus could have been sold without airbags.  After 1994, Ford had to put airbags into a new Taurus, because they were mandatory.  The point is that MGS4 is still being sold brand new, and by your argument, it would have airbags aka trophies.  If anything your analogy helps his argument instead of yours.  "

" @quezen: And ignoring the rest of the post does not help your cause either.  You are only focusing on what you are deeming to be attacks against yourself.  You cannot debate this way.  I was trying to show you how to get your opinion across without starting what this thread has become.  If you choose to ignore that, then...well...I have wasted my time. "

"hey, we don't have airbags in every car, maybe we should just not add them at all"

" if you gonna do something do something right like microsoft did. "

my point was more, if you gonna copy something be commited.
dont just add a feature and ask developer to add it if they want (which sony did at first).

" Merry Christmas and may this topic get locked. "

Let's just leave the thread, everyone. It's obvious quezen is a complete moron who knows absolutely nothing about game development and refuses to listen to facts. He likes to say that people are making up stuff without knowing what they're talking about, but that is exactly what he is doing. It's a waste of time to try and correct his ignorance.

" Let's just leave the thread, everyone. It's obvious quezen is a complete moron who knows absolutely nothing about game development and refuses to listen to facts. He likes to say that people are making up stuff without knowing what they're talking about, but that is exactly what he is doing. It's a waste of time to try and correct his ignorance. "

This topic is nothing but flamebait. To the TC and those encouraging him, get in the holiday spirit and do something more productive than trying to rile up a video game community. Thank you, have a Merry Christmas.