Do you think the Vita has failed/tanked?

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#1 Posted by AcidBrandon18 (702 posts) -

I guess I have just been on the internet too much lately but everyone is talking all doom and gloom regarding the Vita. Saying that its doomed and is a failed system and whatnot. I mean it's not like Sony is just going to call it quits and just stop making them, right? Didn't everybody say the same thing about the PS3? No games! Too expensive! RIIIIDDDGGGEE RRRRAACCCEERR!! I love mine. Then again I have never owned a smart phone. I guess I'm just looking for some more positive energy regarding the Vita and its future prospects. What do you think about the Vita?

#2 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

I'll buy one when they get PS1 games working.

#3 Posted by Sackmanjones (4652 posts) -

Waiting for a 3DS like price drop

#4 Posted by Aquablak (187 posts) -

I see the Vita as pretty much in the same situation as the PSP: it won't "win" the handheld console war, but it will likely do well enough for Sony to justify it. I still want one, and I'll likely get one between now and Christmas. It had a pretty amazing launch line-up, but more games both now and on the horizon would be nice.

#5 Posted by LordAndrew (14424 posts) -

All will be redeemed once Persona 4 Golden comes out.

#6 Posted by believer258 (11682 posts) -

It's hardly too late for it but Sony doesn't seem to have the slightest clue what to do with it. They seemed to make the same mistake that they did with the PSP and positioned it as a portable PS3 when that doesn't work. Console experiences don't always translate so well to handhelds.

#7 Posted by jewunit (1054 posts) -

I do not think the system has failed. I think it needs more third-party game support. Once it has that support, the system should sell much better.

#8 Posted by drac96 (668 posts) -

It's way too early to say if it's failed or not.

#9 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7613 posts) -

People hated the PS3 because of the price and lack of games.. but it eventually had a price drop and developers started to release games for it.

They've just announced there will be no Vita price drop this year, there are still very few games and even Sony couldn't be bothered showing anything for it at E3. They can still turn it around, but they're giving us very little reason to care about it.

#10 Posted by Galiant (2181 posts) -

For me, personally? I consider all modern handhelds to be failures because I haven't felt compelled to buy one.

Can't speak for anyone else, obviously.

#11 Posted by betterboulder (190 posts) -

In my opinion, it still has a chance to be big or at least a bit more profitable but as of now the outlook is not good unless some major juju happens by the end of the year.

#12 Posted by DoctorWelch (2774 posts) -

Yep. I've recently been hired by a Gamestop (I know, I know, but that's a story for another day), and we have maybe 10 or 15 Vita games, and I have no desire to even try a single one. I still wouldn't spend the money to buy a 3DS, but at least with that system I actually have a desire to play some of the games on it.

#13 Posted by Ace829 (2083 posts) -

@Sackmanjones said:

Waiting for a 3DS like price drop

Unfortunately, it looks like you would have to wait until next year for that. I am personally waiting for the 32GB memory card to not be so damn expensive. I'll bite when it lowers to at the most $50.

#14 Posted by Scrawnto (2435 posts) -

I never got a PS3 or PSP, so I will probably pick one up before long to get the Persona games and Sound Shapes. I hope it does well enough.

@WinterSnowblind: They did just announce Tearaway, a new game from Media Molecule, during Gamescon.

#15 Posted by BlackLagoon (1384 posts) -

Every time someone says the Vita is dead, Adam Boyes gets punched in the face. WHY DO YOU HATE ADAM BOYES?

#16 Posted by Bane122 (783 posts) -

Right now it would be disingenuous to say it hasn't been a failure but that doesn't mean it is already dead, nor does it mean the hardware itself is bad. It can still be turned around if Sony gets their shit together and starts supporting it properly.

When a system has the sales this one has had, and the manufacturer outright says it has trouble getting third parties to make games for it, it's a failure so far.

#17 Posted by thatdutchguy (1271 posts) -

Yep it pretty much failed so far...

#18 Posted by FTomato (233 posts) -

I own one, and I'm quite happy with the amount of games it has. It helps that I didn't have a PSP and didn't play most of the games on the Vita that are also on the PS3. There are a couple of PS1 JRPGs I'm interested in playing as well (Xenogears, Vagrant Story, etc.)

More generally, it's impossible to say it has failed or tanked, because that's past tense, and the Vita still has a lot of time to bounce back, if it's in a bad position. I feel kind of hesitant to say it's in bad shape right now, because the only sales numbers officially released are from Japan, and I kind of feel that the games that have released so far (short of Ragnarok Odyssey and Persona 4 The Golden) are western focused. In addition, the information about how the game sales are doing are even hazier due to the focus on digital distribution. I still haven't bought a physical game for mine, and I currently have no intention of doing so.

If the question is do I think the Vita will end up a failure? I think it'll end up doing OK. I don't think it will be an enormous success, but it'll be a role player and won't be a huge loss for Sony. I think a big advantage the Vita has over the PSP is that it has the same features as it's competitor (3DS except for 3D screen, which I think will prove to be a gimmick, and phones), and so once the period that Nintendo fights over getting 3rd party exclusives is over, there will be a lot more games that release on both systems.

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#20 Posted by Vestigial_Man (311 posts) -

I really like mine but I have a problem with the prices of games. I bought most of the games I wanted at launch but the ones I've waited to drop in price are still too expensive. I do like the system though and the games I've played on it have been really good (probably 3 of my top 10 games of the year at the moment are Vita games).

#21 Posted by Sergio (2055 posts) -

Too early too tell.

#22 Posted by Maginnovision (485 posts) -

I hasn't even been out for a year. I have about 12 games I like on mine though. I have been waiting since it came out(i bought a 3g and 32gb when it came out) for PS1 games though. Supposed to be the 28th just waiting to see if it will be the whole library or not. Overall I think it's a good system, much better than the PSP. Like anything else it's about what people want, and apparently people think it has no games. All that means is they need to make more games that "people" recognize I guess. Either way I'm not too worried about it. P4G and PS1 classics that I haven't played will fill the rest of the time that my actual vita games won't as far as my mobile gaming goes. Windows phone has some good games, but touch screen controls are still something I hate when it'd be so much better to have actual controls. Ilo Milo is a good example, it works with my windows phone keyboard which makes it a MUCH better experience. Touch screen only is why I won't ever go to a phone for all my games.

#23 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2313 posts) -

Before I would have said no because the Vita is still young and most games were probably still early in development. But after Sony admitted the Vita was lacking support, I don't know.

#24 Posted by MikkaQ (10269 posts) -

It's certainly in a disadvantageous position, and has a long, long way to go before I'd say it's worth it, especially at the price they are asking.

#25 Posted by iam3green (14390 posts) -

no, it will probably be justified later, kind of like the psp.

#26 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

dunno, really want one waiting for that pricedrop. Heard this thing is more powerful than a PS2 so just release every PS2 game on the marketplace for like 10 dollars each and I will buy one full price now! Plus I heard they have cracked the Vita so it will sell alot more units just no games.

#27 Posted by JazGalaxy (1576 posts) -

@AcidBrandon18 said:

I guess I have just been on the internet too much lately but everyone is talking all doom and gloom regarding the Vita. Saying that its doomed and is a failed system and whatnot. I mean it's not like Sony is just going to call it quits and just stop making them, right? Didn't everybody say the same thing about the PS3? No games! Too expensive! RIIIIDDDGGGEE RRRRAACCCEERR!! I love mine. Then again I have never owned a smart phone. I guess I'm just looking for some more positive energy regarding the Vita and its future prospects. What do you think about the Vita?

I think the difference bewteen the vita and the PS3 is that people are suggesting that the Vita is competing poorly in a space that is, for all intents and purposes, done with. Sony has leveraged their entire effort on the idea that people want super high definition handheld play experiences and that assertion has, thus far, not been met with a warm reception from customers.

Personally it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, as a PS3 owner. They're even touting this "you can take it with you" concept for games that link from PS3 to Vita, but honestly, if HIgh Def gaming matters to me (which is what Sony's strategy continues to be) why would I want to experience ANY of these short, expensive, thrillride-games on a less than optimum hardware setup? I would constantly be thinking "well, that escape scene would have been way better on my bigscreen tv and surround sound speakers" (If I had such things).

#28 Posted by JazGalaxy (1576 posts) -

@Maginnovision said:

I hasn't even been out for a year. I have about 12 games I like on mine though. I have been waiting since it came out(i bought a 3g and 32gb when it came out) for PS1 games though. Supposed to be the 28th just waiting to see if it will be the whole library or not. Overall I think it's a good system, much better than the PSP. Like anything else it's about what people want, and apparently people think it has no games. All that means is they need to make more games that "people" recognize I guess. Either way I'm not too worried about it. P4G and PS1 classics that I haven't played will fill the rest of the time that my actual vita games won't as far as my mobile gaming goes. Windows phone has some good games, but touch screen controls are still something I hate when it'd be so much better to have actual controls. Ilo Milo is a good example, it works with my windows phone keyboard which makes it a MUCH better experience. Touch screen only is why I won't ever go to a phone for all my games.

I do wonder what games people would recognize, though. I mean, I feel like the DS gained notoriety for having super high quality little "handheld" games. Sony seems to want to go for more "hardcore" games, and I feel like those wil always be lost in the shuffle of MORE "hardcore" games on PC and leading consoles.

#29 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Depends on how it will connect to PS4. If the PS4 has a similar functionality like the WiiU, with a gamepad having a touchscreen and back-touchpad, and does stream VITA games emulation onto it - then it will be a success.

#30 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

@Seppli said:

Depends on how it will connect to PS4. If the PS4 has a similar functionality like the WiiU, with a gamepad having a touchscreen and back-touchpad, and does stream VITA games emulation onto it - then it will be a success.

That thing for the Wii U is fucking stupid. I vote that the Wii U is the death of Nintendo home console.

#31 Posted by yoshisaur (2667 posts) -

I want to buy one, but I don't feel like having to bring up 1/3 of the purchase price extra just for some competent hard-drive space. It's 2012 Sony, do you really think we're dumb enough to think that storage costs that much?

#32 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

I heard they're doing a thing where you can play your PS3 games on it for free. Certain ones anyway. That'll probably sell it to some PS3 owners.

#33 Posted by TehPickle (453 posts) -

For me, they fucked it up when they forced over-priced proprietory memory into the equation.

I also believe that if Nintendo didn't pull the huge 3DS price drop out of the bag when they did, the Vita would've sold like hotcakes.

#34 Posted by Gamer_152 (14058 posts) -

I think some people, as is often the case, have been far too quick to declare that the Vita would be failure, but even if you think it's failing now, I don't think it can be called a "failed" console when there's still plenty of time for improvement. None the less, I think many critics of the Vita raise some good points. The console, its games, and its memory cards are collectively very expensive, it's largely offering games which are cut-down versions of existing Sony console titles, which wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for the rise of platforms like the iPhone and DS in recent years, which have introduced games better suited to on-the-go play, and arguably, even as a "mini-console" it has a rather weak library.

I can see why fans of the Vita enjoy the console; there is something to be said for having console-style games available on the go, especially if you live a certain lifestyle, and for a handheld it does have impressive graphical capabilities, but I also do think there's some sense in the idea that paying a few hundred pounds for a not-quite-console is not an appealing prospect for many.

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#35 Posted by NoobSauceG7 (1234 posts) -

Absolutely it failed.

#36 Posted by Little_Socrates (5675 posts) -

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Seppli said:

Depends on how it will connect to PS4. If the PS4 has a similar functionality like the WiiU, with a gamepad having a touchscreen and back-touchpad, and does stream VITA games emulation onto it - then it will be a success.

That thing for the Wii U is fucking stupid. I vote that the Wii U is the death of Nintendo home console.

Just so you know, having played the thing, it's really inconsequential. The advertising apparently uses somebody with REALLY small hands, because the screen is only slightly larger than that of an iPhone. The sticks and buttons feel great, though. It's a nifty controller, and the touch screen controls implemented in ZombiU, Rayman Legends, and Project P100 are inobtrusive and fun. I like the WiiU gamepad a lot better than last generations Wii Remote. The "pro controller" felt fine as well, though I'd probably rather have a 360 gamepad for most games I intended to play with lots of local co-op or the WiiU gamepad for any single-player game.

As for the Vita, I just don't get the sense that Sony can support the Vita properly when they're busy launching Orbis, presumably for next year to remain competitive with Durango. One of the few games that could have really increased consumer interest in the Vita was Sound Shapes, and we all know that went to PSN as well. I mean, we can all agree that Persona 4 Golden sounds neat (though if you haven't played P4 already, THIS REMAKE IS NOT FOR YOU) but there's really nothing else to be excited about. Maybe that new Media Molecule game?

I think the Vita is a cool handheld with a handful of cool games. I'd really like to play the new Lumines, I'd like to play Gravity Rush, and I'm super-curious about P4 Golden. But I'm willing to pay about $100 for all that stuff, 'cause I don't play handhelds very much at all anymore and I've already played P4. And the third parties aren't gonna step in unless Sony gets serious about the Vita, and Sony has no real time to get serious about the Vita because they're probably launching a new console next year.

#37 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Seppli said:

Depends on how it will connect to PS4. If the PS4 has a similar functionality like the WiiU, with a gamepad having a touchscreen and back-touchpad, and does stream VITA games emulation onto it - then it will be a success.

That thing for the Wii U is fucking stupid. I vote that the Wii U is the death of Nintendo home console.

Dualscreen/touchscreen gaming allows for some cool gameplay mechanics. I absolutely expect all next generation platforms to include touch in their gamepad solutions.

Why would you say it is 'fucking stupid'?

#38 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

@Seppli said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Seppli said:

Depends on how it will connect to PS4. If the PS4 has a similar functionality like the WiiU, with a gamepad having a touchscreen and back-touchpad, and does stream VITA games emulation onto it - then it will be a success.

That thing for the Wii U is fucking stupid. I vote that the Wii U is the death of Nintendo home console.

Dualscreen/touchscreen gaming allows for some cool gameplay mechanics. I absolutely expect all next generation platforms to include touch in their gamepad solutions.

Why would you say it is 'fucking stupid'?

Because it involves using a oversized controller, sure the Wii U will have some gimmick games for it, but it won't be supported after the 1st year.

#39 Posted by QuistisTrepe (628 posts) -

The optimist in me would say to hold off for another year until we pronounce it a flop. Then again, I've been accused of trying too hard to be an optimist. The Vita was flawed from the get go. Trying to shove more proprietary formats down out throats? Big mistake. 3G capability powered by AT&T? Was that some kind of sick joke? Telling gamers to repurchase PSP games that they already own? Classy move.

I wish I knew why Sony hates their customers so much.

#40 Posted by RandomInternetUser (6789 posts) -

I'll be buying one by the end of the year.

#41 Posted by chrissedoff (2075 posts) -

I've never seen a Vita out in the wild. To me, it seems like a really expensive alternative to the iPhone, with games that would be more fun to play on a PS3. If it finds any success it won't be in North America or Europe, which suits me just fine. I've always seen Sony's forays into portable video games as a mistake.

#42 Posted by Irvandus (2826 posts) -

Yep. I'll still get one after a price drop and when the only game I want isn't a remake of a game I already have.

#43 Posted by Alexandru (301 posts) -

yes

#44 Posted by Lunar_Aura (2779 posts) -

Too early to tell, but so far they seem to be repeating the same mistakes as they did with the PSP. It's as if Sony has learned nothing at all.

#45 Posted by ZeForgotten (10397 posts) -

No idea, too busy playing it when I'm in a bus, train or on a plane. 

#46 Posted by HellBrendy (992 posts) -

I might get one if I get drunk enough, but as for now I'm really pleased with my iPhone and iPad for my carry around gaming needs.

#47 Posted by malic3 (8 posts) -

its not dead... yet... theyll have to come out with more games and change the UI itll be a hit... its really powerful and akll but without much support itll be dead in the water soon

#48 Posted by scarace360 (4828 posts) -

No it just needs more games and some support and people will come. Hopefully.

#49 Posted by Hippie_Genocide (540 posts) -

It's definitely too early to tell, but I hope it doesn't fail. I want to get one, just waiting for a price drop and some more games.

#50 Edited by Hunter5024 (5555 posts) -

If this thing doesn't pick up in sales soon I can't imagine any companies wanting to make games for it, but I also can't see Sony wanting to drop it's price when they already lose money on every system sold, and I can't see any consumers wanting to pick up a system that is so expensive without any games they want to play. One of those 3 things will have to give or the system will be a failure. If it came with a real hard drive I might buy it. As it is I would be buying a 250 dollar system, then shelling out an extra 100 dollars for a memory card just to play some portable ps1 games at a better resolution, a port of a ps2 game I've already played, and a not so hot looking Uncharted game. Rip off.

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