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Posted by dr_mantas

Real Monsters unite.

Posted by ToniMcKernt

What did the dark souls VA write in his mail? i gotta know!

Posted by Sammo21

I can't wait to get back to my favorite small businessmen.

Posted by SleepyDoughnut

A laser tag or paintball place that would let you act out Payday 2 scenarios is literally a genius idea.

I know, I feel like that got overshadowed by the rest of the ideas in that email, but seriously, that's phenomenal. I read a story that there is a service in New York City that fake kidnaps you if you're that into thrills. This is a way a more fun and less terrifying and more viable idea than that.

Posted by Shortbreadtom

@humanity: I loved that power. And the worst part is that you see the concrete bad guys DOING THE SAME THING and then when you get the super jump with the concrete power it's dull as shit.

Posted by SleepyDoughnut

Also, although Jeff says these emails have gotten terrible, he is actively encouraging the Japan beef among gaijin by choosing to read it on air lol.

Edited by Budwyzer

KOF MOBA!?!!? League of Fighters!?!? WTF

@amyggen said:

The video game industry moves so fast this podcast is already outdated!

A day later and this is actually true

Posted by Milkman

@somejerk said:

As for Quiet this is her background: [spoiler]she gets raped, loses her voice due to the trauma, wows to end the ones who did it and the ones like them, all while wearing the clothes she wore during the act[/spoiler]. Welcome to the real world. This happens.

Hold up.

When you say "this happens" do you mean "deal with it, this is in the game"? Or do you mean "this is an actual thing that happens in real life?" Because...what.

Posted by mrsmiley

STAND WIPERS UNITE.

Posted by MeatSim

The Bombcast is going to eventually spark a Australian civil war.

Posted by jonabbey69

Ah, hey dudes.. the premium RSS feed for this episode is broken.

Posted by Murdoc_

Where the f@$% does Brad live? I'm in SF and if you don't move your car for street cleaning you get a parking ticket ($65 abouts)

The amount of stuff Brad has stated in these podcasts that he is really convinced of, but isn't actually true is really kind of staggering.

Posted by Dark_Lord_Spam

@zevvion: Apologies. I noticed they were broken when I originally quoted him, but didn't even think to fix it.

Edited by Soapy86

I'm not an expert in political lingo, so apologies if this isn't the correct usage of the word, but Jeff seemed to have a bizarre statist vibe going this week. Like, what the fuck does he care if people distrust the government?

Posted by ike7779

lol at sublime bone dust just being Sunny D concentrate powder.

Posted by ScreamingGhost

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorta I guess)

In Metal Gear Big Boss and Snake interact at the end of MGS IV. In that scene Hayter only voices Snake while another actor voices Big Boss/Naked Snake.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Hassun

Aerosol shitters...

Posted by DerekDanahy

@murdoc_: Or you know... you both could be right?

Edited by Brad

@murdoc_ said:

Where the f@$% does Brad live? I'm in SF and if you don't move your car for street cleaning you get a parking ticket ($65 abouts)

The amount of stuff Brad has stated in these podcasts that he is really convinced of, but isn't actually true is really kind of staggering.

Did you ever stop and wonder if you're putting way too much stock in conversations that are mostly composed of dumb, off-the-cuff jokes?

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Posted by Sergio

Well I guess Brad is technically correct that Titanfall outsold inFamous: Second Son the week before the latter outsold the former, since it wasn't out yet.

Posted by ScreamingGhost

This global email battle keeps getting better and better.

Posted by tyler1285

@mooseymcman: I just read through the comments to see if anyone else was surprised. Really seems random for someone who loves dumbass movies like Fast and Furious to call Quiet "Fucking Sick."

Posted by Max_Cherry

Goodbye Ruby Tuesday!

Posted by MikeLemmer

@soapy86: Probably from oversaturation of the Government Conspiracy trope, combined with random thoughts of the extremes that spawn from believing it.

Small Business Owner: "I don't trust the government, they're too big and shifty."

Jeff: "Alright..."

Small Business Owner: "Which is why I refuse to vaccinate my kid against a deadly, infectious disease."

Jeff: "...What."

Posted by evanbower

I don't get what @jeff was talking about with regards to Paz and it being disgusting. It was supposed to be disgusting. It made me feel dirty and sad and upset and that's how you are supposed to feel. It's a reality of war and something that has real life precedence as far as the torture and potential raping stuff goes.

I don't understand how people want gaming as a genre to mature, but can't handle it when more serious stories are told. It's not like Kojima handled the stuff comically or without a serious tone and he defintely didn't throw that information in your face...I mean the stuff is implied in the main game, but the more in depth stuff is only found through audio logs. I don't really understand how he could have been more subtle.

If you felt upset, and grossed out and disgusting by the end of it, then Kojima was successful, because there is really nothing else he would have wanted people to feel.

Just because something that was intended to be disgusting disgusts you doesn't mean it is good storytelling. I could easily disgust everyone in this comment section right now with some horrible images or whatever, but that wouldn't make what I did good or interesting.

Edited by Dallas_Raines

@tyler1285: Fast & Furious is now a critically acclaimed, multi-billion dollar franchise that excels at being dumb fun.(Not to mention promoting racial and gender equality)

Meanwhile, Super Artiste Kojima has vagina bombs and diarrhea gags.(High art?)

Posted by Zevvion

I haven't played Ground Zeroes, so I don't know about the disgusting-ness of it, but I have played GTAV. The torture scene in that game made me feel uncomfortable to be honest. I didn't want to do that stuff. But at the same time, I also don't feel it's justified to say something like that isn't allowed, or the people who did appreciate it are disgusting.

That scene was meant to portray the character of Trevor and what nasty stuff he can do. Though somewhat successful, I didn't really appreciate how it was handled myself. But I wouldn't think less of someone who thought it was handled well.

Again, I have no idea if this Ground Zeroes situation is somewhat similar, but perhaps people aren't disgusting scum per se for thinking the scenes referred to do a good job of setting up the character? The stuff I read about it sounds like it's an argument of: 'That stuff is horrible in the real world, therefor you are disgusting for putting it in a game'. I realize it's a bit too easy to comment on this having not played it myself. But that's what it sounds like to me so far. I actually do intent to play Ground Zeroes, so I'll see if I feel the same way then.

Posted by MooseyMcMan

@tyler1285: That's not what he said was sick (unless I've forgotten a lot of the conversation). Quiet isn't in Ground Zeroes, she's going to be in The Phantom Pain. I think Jeff was referring to the torture related things in Ground Zeroes, which, to be fair, are very unpleasant.

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Edited by JRM

Brad buddy, feel free to put off finishing Dark Souls 2 on your own. I could use another GB Souls play through, going through some Brad/Vinny shenanigan withdrawals.

Posted by Oldirtybearon

Does anyone have time stamps for the Ground Zeroes discussion? I really don't want to hear it.

Edited by Sooty

I do not understand Jeff calling Ground Zeroes disgusting in such a serious manner. It was a bit graphic but nothing as bad as Mortal Kombat or Gears of War. What happens to the character in question is nothing new, nor was it even a gorefest.

Edited by Christoffer

@brad I'm pretty sure they use the Source Filmmaker for those Dota 2 close-ups in the documentary. You can pull in complete Dota and TF2 matches and toy around however you like, pretty neat stuff. It's that free software Valve use for all their cutscenes and movie clips.

That is, if I didn't completely misunderstand what you meant. I haven't finished Free-to-play yet.

Edited by dr_mantas

These are the best emails.

Posted by Dallas_Raines

@milkman: Kojima and his followers must think "I Spit On Your Grave" is some masterpiece docudrama.

Posted by illegalnull

Can the person who sent that trojan email to end all emails please stand up?! That was amazing, thank you! Still laughing...

Posted by InvaderSkooj
@zevvion said:

I haven't played Ground Zeroes, so I don't know about the disgusting-ness of it, but I have played GTAV. The torture scene in that game made me feel uncomfortable to be honest. I didn't want to do that stuff. But at the same time, I also don't feel it's justified to say something like that isn't allowed, or the people who did appreciate it are disgusting.

A rape victim has a bomb shoved up either her vagina or anus. I am completely with Jeff there that something like that crosses the line into crass storytelling.

Posted by toshi0815
Edited by Humanity

@invaderskooj said:
@zevvion said:

I haven't played Ground Zeroes, so I don't know about the disgusting-ness of it, but I have played GTAV. The torture scene in that game made me feel uncomfortable to be honest. I didn't want to do that stuff. But at the same time, I also don't feel it's justified to say something like that isn't allowed, or the people who did appreciate it are disgusting.

A rape victim has a bomb shoved up either her vagina or anus. I am completely with Jeff there that something like that crosses the line into crass storytelling.

More accurately a female prisoner is tortured in a variety of ways in order to make her give up vital information. Some of the methods are most probably rape, although everything you have to go on are vague noises from audio recordings. While unconscious they open her up and implant a bomb into her abdomen, having to remove some internal organs to make room for the bomb, sealing her fate one way or the other. At this point the main antagonist says "and now the second one, where no one will find it" and you hear generally fleshy noises. It's not like the main bad guy says "spread 'em buttercups" and she moans in some exaggerated way. It's graphic, and it's dark, but I don't think it's "crass." Ironically a lot of this is somewhat vague and your imagination does a lot of the work for you.

If anything the way all these events are portrayed in the form of a crackly audio recordings instead of some overly gratuitous cutscene is extremely clever, showing that Kojima is indeed very smart when it comes to presenting ideas in novel and impactful ways. It's all very uncomfortable but it's supposed to be, because torture is not a very comforting idea. I feel like once again the bomb crew threw out some terms like "crass" or "juvenile" and now everyone is hanging onto that opinion like it's gospel. Much like Tomb Raider was the king of narrative dissonance, despite countless games having the exact same issues before it.

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Posted by Mezmero

Ugh I don't know that I can listen to you guys talk about Metal Gear Solid anymore. How could you forget about that insane epilogue in MGS4? Anyways love the show and I hope it stays informative and hilarious. E-mails are getting extra special as of late.

Posted by LiquidPrince

@liquidprince said:

I don't get what @jeff was talking about with regards to Paz and it being disgusting. It was supposed to be disgusting. It made me feel dirty and sad and upset and that's how you are supposed to feel. It's a reality of war and something that has real life precedence as far as the torture and potential raping stuff goes.

I don't understand how people want gaming as a genre to mature, but can't handle it when more serious stories are told. It's not like Kojima handled the stuff comically or without a serious tone and he defintely didn't throw that information in your face...I mean the stuff is implied in the main game, but the more in depth stuff is only found through audio logs. I don't really understand how he could have been more subtle.

If you felt upset, and grossed out and disgusting by the end of it, then Kojima was successful, because there is really nothing else he would have wanted people to feel.

Just because something that was intended to be disgusting disgusts you doesn't mean it is good storytelling. I could easily disgust everyone in this comment section right now with some horrible images or whatever, but that wouldn't make what I did good or interesting.

That's great for you. It doesn't change the fact that it was at least in my opinion good storytelling. It sets up a dark and heavy tone for the Phantom Pain. Would I have prefered if Paz was still around? Of course. Did the things that happen to her make me motivated to take out Skull Face... yeah...

Posted by TheCheese33

Jeff says pretty much exactly what I've been thinking about Kojima for a while. Props.

Posted by TheCheese33

@white_lando said:

Yes, Metal Gear is nothing if not a series about holding a mirror to the ugly cruelty of the real world, what with the walking nuclear tanks, cloned super soldiers, cyber ninjas and hilarious comic relief character that suffers from chronic diarrhea. It's a mature series for mature adults who have reached maturity.

Now that you're done acting all haughty about video games, consider that MGS has better writing than 99.99% of games.

http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/

http://www.metalgearsolid.net/features/mgs2-story-ending-symbolism-analysis

Speaking as someone who has bought each Metal Gear Solid game multiple times over... you are out of your mind if you think MGS has writing that's better than 99.9% of games. It is incredibly poorly written, poorly paced, and obsessed with referencing older media. It's one of the reasons why I enjoy the series, but don't mistake what he does for anything close to a well-written piece of entertainment.

Posted by ModernMoriarty

Metal Gear is hard to evaluate overall, because Kojima is one of the extremely rare auteurs in video gaming. Say what you will about the game's scripts (and I agree, there are many, many times when I lose all patience with them, when the nonsense-to-quality ratio gets too bad), but they are hugely ambitious stories. Kojima's writing, his sense of humor, his sense of dramatics are all highly questionable, and the needle swings wildly from hit to miss throughout his games. There's also the problem of repetition in his ideas, accusations of sexism etc etc.

But at the end of the day, he tells stories that feel very different to what you usually get. In these risk adverse times, we need more barely sane nutjobs like Kojima, SUDA 51, SWERY etc etc. And I say this as someone who has no great love for the Metal Gear series. I don't consider them very good games in terms of their gameplay, and their stories are hit and miss. But the one thing I will say for them is that they aren't boring, and they always have lots of really interesting ideas buried in them.

Personally, I was more of a fan of Metal Gear Rising. It was a good game in its own right (due to Platinum being involved), the spin off nature allowed to sideline most of the unwieldy lore of the Metal Gear series, but that still left plenty of interesting subject matter to be discussed. It wasn't perfect, but it was the most satisfying Metal Gear package that I've experienced.

Posted by dudeglove

Jeff does not like numbers

Posted by The_Nubster

That stand-wiper is doing something wrong. Dry poop flakes don't fall to the ground. The fuck. You poop, and it's all moist, and you wipe until there's no more poop left. As someone with white bathroom floors, I can confirm there is no poop on the ground post stand-wipe. I don't know what that guy is doing.

Edited by MasterRain

I think the difference between 'sexyness' in something like fighting games or music videos to that in metal gear, is that metal gear has the patented creepiness that Kojima seems to excel at.

Even in MGS3 (a game I love) you feel like a creep every time you're talking to EVA. Yes she's a femme fatale character, but its a million miles away from the girls in James Bond. Its all about tone. Even though the dating in say persona is much creepier in concept, it feels fine.

Its not WHAT Kojima is doing necessarily, its HOW he does it and how its framed. Its the difference between Silence of the Lambs and Hostel.

Edited by Yummylee

Jesus... they really just have no clue what they're talking about with regards to the older inFamous games. But then, hey, to the surprise of nobody. Really wish they had timestamps so I could skip ahead to a section where they're not talking about a franchise I'm invested in; at least if they're getting things wrong about games I don't know about I can live in ignorance and just go with the flow.

Posted by Three0neFive

That stand-wiper is doing something wrong. Dry poop flakes don't fall to the ground. The fuck. You poop, and it's all moist, and you wipe until there's no more poop left. As someone with white bathroom floors, I can confirm there is no poop on the ground post stand-wipe. I don't know what that guy is doing.

As a fellow stand-wiper, seriously, what the fuck. He must be talking about dried shit that was already on his asshole or something, in which case he's got way bigger problems.

Posted by CustomOtto

As someone who knows his poop,

Posted by Tarsier

jeff gerstman : trust the government i Love Obama

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