Black and White 2 (hopes vs expectations)

#1 Posted by echo13791 (61 posts) -

http://ocdgaming.org/2012/02/26/pokemon-say-what/

Check out that article and let me know what you think. I really feel like the "2" warrants something new, and I'll be very disappointed if Game Freak just goes down the same old path they've been treading for years.

#2 Posted by HatKing (6034 posts) -
#3 Posted by RE_Player1 (7566 posts) -

When it was announced I kinda felt the urge to get interested in Pokemon again but I remembered that I got 3 badges into Black and sold it because I was having zero fun. I've come to terms with knowing I'm a Red/Blue/Yellow/Green and Silver/Gold/Crystal guy. When I get the urge to play some Pokemon I pull out the remakes and play them.

#4 Posted by crusader8463 (14425 posts) -

@HatKing said:

I thought this was about Black and White 2. My mistake.

I was going to say don't you mean Black and White 3?

As for the topic, no matter what the name on the box might be it's just Nintendo churning out another annual Pokemon game. I have given up on the series doing anything nifty until they finally get around to making the Pokemon MMO or at least bringing it into a full fledged 3D big boy RPG. As much as I loved the games growing up I just can't play another dam iteration that's just the same as the first ones with some more bells and whistles throw on top. I can't even play with the Pokemon I like any more because other then a few token appearances they never show any of the original 151 in these games any more.

Nintendo has no reason to change the formula because people keep buying these games by the truck load, but I personally am done with the series until the above mentioned.

#5 Posted by echo13791 (61 posts) -

I still enjoyed Black and White, but not as much as I would have liked; although, it did serve pretty well as a light "RPG," which I need sometimes. Like you said, another thing that irks me about the current games is that I hardly ever see Pokemon that I know. Not only that, but most of the new Pokemon are ridiculous and I'd never want to catch and use some of these crazy ass creations (look at Garbador, a bag of trash...).

Anyways, I'm hoping the 2 means something. If they wanted to churn out the same exact thing, why not just make Grey?

#6 Posted by crusader8463 (14425 posts) -

@echo13791: I just googled that Pokemon and a little more of my childhood died. Thanks for that.

#7 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

I hope there would be more diversity along the lines of creature personality traits and abilities. More cultures and miracles. Perhaps some Peter Molyneux's Balls DLC.

#8 Posted by JammyJesus (770 posts) -

I fell out of favour with Pokemon when you started dressing them up.

#9 Posted by echo13791 (61 posts) -

@crusader8463: I'm sorry man, but there's more. If you want some insanely terrible looking Pokemon, check out Probopass. If you want some generically named ones, look up Chandelure, Gurdurr, or Tablechairdeskmon.

#10 Posted by crusader8463 (14425 posts) -

@echo13791: If you are that desperate to come up with new Pokemon stop adding new Pokemon! It adds nothing to the game because they are still going to use the same old moves. That in a nutshell is one of the biggest reasons I don't like Pokemon any more. The first time they added a few more was this big huge event that blew my mind. When they add more and more annually the wow factor is diminished to zero. I used to pride myself on being able to know all the pokemon names and evolutions. Hell, if I thought hard enough I could still probably list them all out over a decade later! It would be impossible to do that now.

#11 Posted by KingBroly (1645 posts) -

I hope there's a different story/progression structure this time around. I don't want to start in a small town, get my first Pokemon, go and defeat 8 Gym Leaders to get Badges so I can become League Champion by smacking the Elite 4 down all the while taking down the bad guys anymore.

#12 Posted by echo13791 (61 posts) -

I actually read on Gamespot earlier that the games might be a sequel or sorts, so we might get lucky! No one can be sure though. I'll link the GS article if I can find it (it also mentioned a fall release for the game in the UK.

#13 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@HatKing said:

I thought this was about Black and White 2. My mistake.

My thoughts exactly.

#14 Posted by Ulain (315 posts) -

No thanks; after trying to play White to much disappointment, I'm done with Pokemon. I even got HeartGold a while back and got bored, considering I'd already played it as the original Gold. Adding different spites with the same basic moves, same exact story, and a way over-complicated stats system (too easy to beat the games, but way too much time-investment if you ever planned to play in a tournament).

Most of the new pokemon look like garbage anyway. Literally and figuratively I hear.

#15 Posted by benspyda (2041 posts) -

@BrockNRolla said:

@HatKing said:

I thought this was about Black and White 2. My mistake.

My thoughts exactly.

Would be a valid topic back in 2005.

#16 Posted by kindgineer (2773 posts) -

@echo13791 said:

@crusader8463: I'm sorry man, but there's more. If you want some insanely terrible looking Pokemon, check out Probopass. If you want some generically named ones, look up Chandelure, Gurdurr, or Tablechairdeskmon.

I wonder if part of their art crew just goes to an antique shop and writes down objects to try and facilitate into a new pokemon. It's my only explanation for where the chandelier one came from...

#17 Posted by Sackmanjones (4752 posts) -
@HatKing said:

I thought this was about Black and White 2. My mistake.

You and me both. Peace
#18 Posted by MentalDisruption (1651 posts) -

@HatKing said:

I thought this was about Black and White 2. My mistake.

Me too, except I assumed he meant 3 and typo'd.

#19 Posted by NoobSauceG7 (1259 posts) -

Honestly more of the same is great for me. Maybe a longer single player story like the first black and white and more to do after the story.

#20 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@benspyda said:

@BrockNRolla said:

@HatKing said:

I thought this was about Black and White 2. My mistake.

My thoughts exactly.

Would be a valid topic back in 2005.

Ergo, my surprise.

#21 Posted by bennym6 (417 posts) -

@crusader8463: I understand your arguments but they most likely will not make a Pokemon MMO

#22 Posted by crusader8463 (14425 posts) -

@bennym6 said:

@crusader8463: I understand your arguments but they most likely will not make a Pokemon MMO

Oh I know they wont. A guy can dream though.

#23 Edited by Icemael (6343 posts) -

I know this thread is for reading and commenting on your article, but instead I'm just going to pretend it's what the title led me to believe it was and post my own hopes and expectations.

I hope they:  

  • Reduce the load and save times considerably.
  • Introduce multiple save files.
  • Make proper sprites for when you send Pokemon out instead of these upscaled abominations they've got now. If those pixelated pieces of shit are the best they can do I'd rather go back to static sprites. Also, there should be no scaling effects in combat. It looks horrible for fuck's sake. Either make proper animations or don't make any at all.
  • Let you disable random battles without having to buy a bunch of shitty Repel items and constantly opening the menu to use another one. Or better yet, just remove random battles entirely.
  • Make more interesting locations. Ruby and Sapphire had a town of treehouses, an active volcano, a shipwreck, the bottom of the ocean, a raft town et cetera. I can't think of a single memorable environment from the latest installments.
  • Make Special Contests fun. I'd love it if they went back to and expanded on the original concept. This part boring dress-up part crummy touch-screen minigame bullshit they've introduced doesn't cut it.
  • Overhaul the combat system completely (something like Valkyrie Profile would be cool), or at least add some sort of action element for added challenge. Think Mario & Luigi. It could be optional for those who want a "pure" Pokemon experience.
  • Stop it with the polygons. There is no good reason whatsoever to have polygonal 3D in a 2D game (except saving money, but main series Pokemon games are guaranteed to make a zillion anyway so there's no need for Game Freak be misers). Give me hand-drawn 2D artwork!

I expect they'll make games about as good as Black and White, which were the most boring main series Pokemon games to date. Completely uninteresting locations, terrible creature designs, "cinematic" camera movement that exposes how shitty the polygonal models really are, horribly annoying loading every time you walk through a door, saving that usually takes 30 seconds or more and so on. The music was the only thing I enjoyed about them.
#24 Posted by shotgunsullivan (29 posts) -

I want the top Pokemon in my party to follow me again and I want a little more strategy in the battles, super effective moves turn the game into boring one hit kills.

#25 Posted by TehFlan (1944 posts) -
@echo13791 said:

@crusader8463: I'm sorry man, but there's more. If you want some insanely terrible looking Pokemon, check out Probopass. If you want some generically named ones, look up Chandelure, Gurdurr, or Tablechairdeskmon.

Chandelure and Probopass are both cool. Quit yo' hatin', fool.

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