Theoretical Question: Was the original mew DLC?

#1 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -

So even though these games existed before real DLC and even the internet itself if you dont count BBS and web 1.0, I ask you.


Was the original event to get MEW classed as DLC?

now before you say it was already on the cart remember, these days most DLC is already on the disc and all you are doing is getting an unlock code from a machine/server.

Kind of like...the original pokemon games. Fun fact if I remember correctly from the gamespot days ryan once mentioned he worked in a toys'r'us and had an actual machine that people brought their carts to plug into to get mew, so maybe if he sees this thread he could chime in.
#2 Posted by JJWeatherman (14571 posts) -

Umm, well you weren't paying for Mew, so I'd have to go with no.

#3 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
" Umm, well you weren't paying for Mew, so I'd have to go with no. "
You don't pay for Mortal Kombat costumes either, but they are still considered DLC.

I don't see that much difference between going to a Toys R' Us or pre-ordering. They are both promotions for the game and they both hand out free content.
#4 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@JJWeatherman: so are you saying the free portal levels coming out soon are not DLC because they are free?

I have to say I disagree.
#5 Posted by melcene (3034 posts) -

I thought a MEW was from Monster Rancher.  They had one in Pokemon too?  Damn monster raising/training games.

#6 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@melcene: I'm amazed anyone could not know who mew is at this point. Not that its a bad thing, it was just a huge deal back when I was a kid.
#7 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -
@melcene said:
" I thought a MEW was from Monster Rancher.  They had one in Pokemon too?  Damn monster raising/training games. "
Nostalgia strikes. Now I'm thinking about Moochie.
#8 Posted by melcene (3034 posts) -
@Zabant said:
" @melcene: I'm amazed anyone could not know who mew is at this point. Not that its a bad thing, it was just a huge deal back when I was a kid. "
I have never played a single Pokemon game.  I was 19 when the first Pokemon game came out.
#9 Edited by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@melcene: Fair enough. I was around 11 so it was a little more age appropriate. I can understand the feeling of THEM DERN KIDS as I feel that way about the new pokemon games. There's somthing ridiculous like 1000 now.
#10 Edited by JJWeatherman (14571 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:

" @JJWeatherman said:

" Umm, well you weren't paying for Mew, so I'd have to go with no. "

You don't pay for Mortal Kombat costumes either, but they are still considered DLC.
I don't see that much difference between going to a Toys R' Us or pre-ordering. They are both promotions for the game and they both hand out free content.
"
@Zabant said:

" @JJWeatherman: so are you saying the free portal levels coming out soon are not DLC because they are free?

I have to say I disagree.
"

You're neither paying for Mew nor actually downloading it. Seems to me that one or the other (or both) would have to be true for it to be considered DLC. If it's on the retail game and you're not paying extra for it, then it's just content.

Wait, I don't think I understand exactly how Mew was gotten. Someone explain.
#11 Edited by Underachiever007 (2468 posts) -
@JJWeatherman: It could only be obtained at Nintendo promotional events, if I recall correctly. You'd have to take your GB with the game in it to the event in question and the guy would hook you up with a Mew. 

EDIT: Although, I guess there was a glitch in Red, Yellow, and Blue through which Mew could be obtained as well.
#12 Posted by Aus_azn (2224 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
" Wait, I don't think I understand exactly how Mew was gotten. Someone explain. "
Neither do I. With the advent of the "Mew glitch", that's the only way I recall of how to do it, and I wouldn't be surprised if the original method for acquiring Mew has been lost to time.

Bulbapedia has a pretty decent write up on the glitch.
#13 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@JJWeatherman: It was on the cart but impossible to get (unless you used glitches or gameshark.) You hooked up the cart to a machine and it allowed you to get the mew.
 The machine in question, giving out Celebi for pokemon Gold and Silver.
#14 Posted by MattyFTM (14432 posts) -

Wasn't the original method of obtaining Mew in Pokemon Red/Blue to win a contest and then post your cartridge to Nintendo for them to add it to your game? I don't think that counts as a download, and thus it isn't DLC.

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#15 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4859 posts) -
@MattyFTM said:
" Wasn't the original method of obtaining Mew in Pokemon Red/Blue to win a contest and then post your cartridge to Nintendo for them to add it to your game? I don't think that counts as a download, and thus it isn't DLC. "
No, you had to go to an event (tournament or some such) and they'd have machines set up with holes for your Red/Blue cartridge. You put the cart in the slot and you had a Mew.

I had to go alllll the way to Watford for mine.
#16 Posted by JJWeatherman (14571 posts) -
@Zabant: That's crazy. I always thought the only way to get him was to glitch it (or gameshark as you mentioned).

Hmmm. Well, if they're doing it as a kind of promotion like that, then maaaaybe. Kinda hard to call. I'd probably still lean towards no, that it's not DLC.
#17 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@MattyFTM: See my above post. You hooked up your cart to a machine at nintendo events they held. Even if the original mew was obtained through your prize method, the above photo shows celebi from Gold and Silver was obtained via a machine. Which would only change the question to "is celebi classed as DLC?" 
#18 Posted by Underachiever007 (2468 posts) -
@Zabant: Man, those machines bring back memories. I remember when I was a kid I attended every single Nintendo event I could, mostly out of my love for Pokemon.
#19 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -

I do wonder if the machines shown altered the data on the actual carts or did something else to allow you to get mew. It's all very confusing considering the carts were all read-only memory, or ROMs as they are better known.

#20 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -

Man, i wonder if nintendo destroyed the old machines. I bet they would be worth some serious dollar to the collectors and pokemon fanatics.

#21 Posted by Codeacious (960 posts) -

It's debatable whether Mew was DLC, but I'd argue that the GS Ball in Japan was certainly DLC. You had to buy some accessory to hook up your cell phone to your Game Boy to download it.

#22 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@isnipeyoudie: that's insane. Aren't you glad everything has some kind of usb port on it now?
#23 Posted by zityz (2360 posts) -

No I wouldn't say DLC but more of a UC (Unlocked Content) 


Reason being if it was already on the cartridge, and you could glitch it, theoretically you wouldn't of needed to download it. I'm sure all that machine did was put in some kind of unlock code or had some kind of unlocking codes to obtain MEW. 
#24 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@zityz: By that logic though almost all modern day DLC isn't actually DLC. As was previously mentioned MK costumes that were already on the disc and for example Jill from MVC3 that hackers found to be 100% complete and usable after editing the software to say I have payed for this.
#25 Posted by Herocide (441 posts) -

Not downloaded, therefore not DLC. I don't think game with locked content unlockable by a payment code should be considered DLC either.

#26 Posted by zityz (2360 posts) -

Difference is, a lot of that stuff isn't always finished or half coded. Therefore when your downloading those 50mbs + it's just adding the remaining  code, making it DLC.  Now if the game had everything finished on the disc AND you had to pay for that? That's not DLC thats just bullshit business.


Nintendo didn't make a profit off of a already finished character sprite on the cart. They did that and had it all planned along for one reason: Popularity of the brand.
#27 Posted by TooWalrus (13257 posts) -

It wasn't downloaded, it was traded... or something. No. Just no.

#28 Posted by Daveyo520 (7003 posts) -
@JJWeatherman: Not all DLC is payed JJ. Look at all of Valves on the PC. FreeLC
#29 Posted by JJWeatherman (14571 posts) -
@Daveyo520 said:
" @JJWeatherman: Not all DLC is payed JJ. Look at all of Valves on the PC. FreeLC "
Read my other posts, bro-montana!
#30 Posted by Geno (6477 posts) -
#31 Posted by Vexxan (4614 posts) -

Well it was additional game content but it wasn't really downloaded. But I guess you can call it the early stages of DLC :)

#32 Posted by Daveyo520 (7003 posts) -

I used a Gameshark to get mine.

#33 Posted by Daveyo520 (7003 posts) -
@JJWeatherman: But I saw your comment 1st! I have a bad habbit of replying to things before reading the rest of the thread.
#34 Posted by Zabant (1268 posts) -
@Geno: Yes, glitches and cheats. The same could be said of most on disc DLC. The content is there you just have to find a way to get at it the developers never intended. The argument here is the act of using a machine to download an unlock code to get at hidden on disc content is classed as DLC by modern standards. The act of using a machine to unlock content on a cartridge is pretty much the same thing. Therefore logic dictates it is also DLC is it not?

For those arguing unlocking on disc content via codes you buy/win/preorder/get given for free from developers is not DLC. I agree. The industry at large however classes this as DLC.
#35 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Wouldn't the Sattelaview be more accurate? Or Sega Channel? Or whatever Intellivision did before the Internet was even a thing?

#36 Posted by Simplexity (1382 posts) -

You didn't Download Mew so it's not "Downloadable Content", seems pretty clear to me atleast.

#37 Posted by Neorecon19 (24 posts) -

Mew is a Pokemon added to Pokemon Red/Blue after they finished beta testing. So that is why you couldn't find it without the event or using a GameShark

#38 Posted by NiKva (128 posts) -

No, Mew was tacked on at the very end of the developing period and wasn't actually meant to be caught during the game.

#39 Posted by crusader8463 (14429 posts) -

Mew was left over code that was never properly introduced into the game that had to be hacked to get in. Nintendo realized a marketing opportunity and went with it. So no.

#40 Edited by HistoryInRust (6407 posts) -

I'm still confused on how exactly Mew gets onto the cart in the first place. And I think a lot of people are, too. And that mystification is causing some to jump to premature conclusions one way or the other.

Mew is clearly on the cart to begin with, since you can finagle a way to catch him with that convoluted glitch method. But what does that machine-thing actually do? Maybe I just don't know the workings of cartridge tech, or how rigid code on a cart is once it is manufactured, but wouldn't buzzing in a code that unlocks Mew on a cart from an outside source be considered a download?

Also, whoa this thread is old. @NiKva must have a pretty good reason for reviving it.

#41 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

Yes, on disc DLC. But I do want to mention that Creatures 3 actually used microtransactions 2 years later to sell DLC. So Mindscape was 10 years a head of the times.

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