Froakie's final form and other new rumors

#1 Edited by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -

Okay, so some shady "reviewer" has apparently gotten X and Y and is leaking a bunch of info. Some of these look pretty legitimate, but as usual take these rumors with a giant grain of salt. I'll post the main points in bullets and the sources below.

  • Froakie's final form is called Greninja. Here's what it looks like.
  • EXP Share is obtainable early on and can now share XP with your entire party.
  • Only 70 new Pokedex entries, the lowest amount of the six generations.

Source

It looks legit to me. I kinda predicted there wouldn't be as many new Pokedex entries this time around, but 70 is a lot lower than what I was expecting. Maybe they consider the Mega Evolved Pokemon to make up for the difference?

Update: Forgot to mention that Chespin's final evolution is also there, but only the back of it.

#2 Posted by Hunter5024 (5705 posts) -

Normally I don't believe anything unofficial about new pokemon games, but this actually looks pretty legitimate. Exp Share makes sense, the lower number of new pokemon confirmed my suspicions (based on how they've been playing up older pokemon and how they've been trickling out the new ones), and Greninja looks real. Froakie's ninjaness matches some current rumors that Froakie's supposed to be a rogue, Fennekin a witch, and Chespin a knight.

#3 Posted by Flappy (2275 posts) -

Assuming all of that is true, I can support Gamefreak's decision. I rather have 70 new Pokemon instead of 70 new Pokes and 30~ uninspired/forced ones.

EXP Share for the party is cool.

Greninja looks pretty nice, but I'm more interested in Fennekin's final EVO.

#4 Edited by Tarsier (1065 posts) -

they ran out of decent name ideas like 3 games ago lol

i wonder if its even the same people working on it or if theyre retired like the rest of the people who did good things at nintendo ( i assume )

#5 Edited by Aegon (5657 posts) -

EXP share for the entire party? Now that's a game changer.

WAIT HOLD THE PHONE...Is Greninja using his tongue as a stylish scarf? Grosss.

#6 Posted by Hunter5024 (5705 posts) -

The comment section on that article seems to be under the impression that some of this information contradicts things said in interviews.

#7 Posted by Flappy (2275 posts) -

@aegon: To make matters worse, it has Waterfall and Surf! The poor thing has become an HM Slave!

#8 Posted by ryanwhom (290 posts) -

Water and psychic moves, but it looks sorta like a fighter. That' a lot of weaknesses. And 70 is plenty, the problem with these games isnt the lack of pokes. They just need to find new ways to utilize them.

#9 Posted by Itwongo (1207 posts) -

I'd be fine with only 70 new Pokemon. The designs look alright, too. I'd heard about the EXP share rumor before, and that's a welcome addition.

But... why are several of the images reversed? Look at the logos in the bottom left and the home and select buttons.

#10 Posted by PandaBear (1377 posts) -

They need to stop adding Pokemon ... it's the world itself people want to explore. Maybe new legendary ones ... but that's it. They are getting worse and worse each year. One of the Pokemon is an ice cream, another is literally a fucking pile of garbage.

Pokemon need a reboot. The Pokemon: The Red and The Blue.

#11 Posted by Vuud (2013 posts) -

Since they are moving into a new platform with the 3DS I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of reboot/major rules shakeup with a smaller pokedex but more focus put in improving/updating the battle system. Some kind of ATB? Just something really different to make the whole "hey kid go collect pokemon" a fresher experience.

#12 Posted by BisonHero (6565 posts) -

@vuud: Yeah, I want some real changes as well, but I think the series is basically a slave to its backwards compatibility. Even though X and Y on the 3DS can't directly interact with, say, Red and Blue on the Game Boy, there are always a generation or two that the new games must be able to interact with (in this case, the 2 DS generations of Pokemon games).

So much to my dismay, instead of being a Final Fantasy that mixes up the battle system each time (for better or worse), it's more of a Dragon Quest thing in that it basically stays simple (for the kids) and is easy comfort food for the older audience.

#13 Posted by Flappy (2275 posts) -

@vuud: Yeah, I want some real changes as well, but I think the series is basically a slave to its backwards compatibility. Even though X and Y on the 3DS can't directly interact with, say, Red and Blue on the Game Boy, there are always a generation or two that the new games must be able to interact with (in this case, the 2 DS generations of Pokemon games).

So much to my dismay, instead of being a Final Fantasy that mixes up the battle system each time (for better or worse), it's more of a Dragon Quest thing in that it basically stays simple (for the kids) and is easy comfort food for the older audience.

Much like many other cash-making cows, the main Pokemon series is a victim of its own success. There's room for improvement and it'd be cool to change things up for a bit, but it makes so much money that they can't risk doing anything too crazy. As long as the games and merchandise continue selling like hotcakes, we'll continue to get roster updates until the end of time.

Follow the money, Nintendo.

#14 Posted by Benny (1953 posts) -

I find it hard to believe there is "Barely any endgame other than catching Mewtwo and the Z legendary" sounds like a whole load of bullshit to me. There's been roaming legendaries, battle towers, dungeons, routes, cities, rematches, minigames, online modes and all sorts of extra shit to do for generations now, and that's not counting the insane number of pokemon there are in the game now to catch.

#15 Posted by ryanwhom (290 posts) -

Black and White added a ton of permutations to combat and the sequel had a million side things to do. And there's also a bunch of side games that do entirely different things like Conquest or Snap (though its been a while since Snap).

#16 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

I do not even know the differences between the two versions. I have been kinda wanting to get into this new game....blah..

#17 Edited by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -

@the_laughing_man: Right now the only differences we know of are the cover legendaries and each version has an exclusive Mega Mewtwo form.

@hunter5024:

They always do stuff like that. No matter what the rumor that community will find every possible reason why it's bs. They're a bunch of party poopers.

@benny:

That raised a red flag with me too. If it's true, I'm hoping he's just referring to the legendary Pokemon to catch. I was really hoping for a Battle Tower and the return of the World Tournament mode from Black 2.

@itwongo:

That's weird. Maybe they were trying to be sneaky or they were taking the picture from a front facing camera. (Like phones and tablets)

#18 Posted by DystopiaX (5315 posts) -

EXP share was confirmed by Nintendo during some earlier event iirc.

#19 Posted by ArtelinaRose (1855 posts) -
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#20 Posted by Hunter5024 (5705 posts) -

@turtlebird95: I spent more time reading their comments then I probably should have, and eventually they traced some of the info back to its original forum post where the poster claimed it was fake. However apparently these images are from multiple sources, so some of it is fake, but some of it could be still be real.

#21 Edited by chiablo (940 posts) -

You people are complaining about "only 70 new pokemon"? Back in my day, we had a total of 150 pokemon in the entire game, and we liked it!

#22 Edited by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -
#23 Posted by Hunter5024 (5705 posts) -

One of the new leaks has a picture of the main character talking to himself and that's crazy.

#24 Posted by JackSukeru (5916 posts) -

You can get a mustache and beard? how old is this kid?

#25 Edited by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -

@jacksukeru: As old as time itself. Ten. Honestly I have no clue, probably ageless like Ash.

@hunter5024 said:

One of the new leaks has a picture of the main character talking to himself and that's crazy.

This truly is the biggest advancement Pokemon has ever had.

#26 Edited by drac96 (671 posts) -

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it yet someone got their copy early and has been posting pictures and small videos on instagram for the past few hours. He chose Chespin as a starter, so hopefully by tomorrow we'll get to see the final form.

I enjoy how the pictures aren't the blurriest the world has ever seen. It's a nice change of pace from normal leaked things of this nature.

http://instagram.com/kosthedin

#27 Posted by Hunter5024 (5705 posts) -

The legitimate final evolution for Fennekin has been leaked.

It's name is Delphox and it is part psychic. It can be viewed here.

#28 Edited by TheThirdRLM (148 posts) -

So this one has ALL of the old pokemon too? I was actually a little worried that with the new ones and their mega forms that they'd cut access to the old Pokedexes too since its all 3D now.

I want to assemble my best-of-the-best from past games.

#29 Posted by kingclaw (757 posts) -

:O!!!

#30 Edited by MariachiMacabre (7096 posts) -

So this one has ALL of the old pokemon too? I was actually a little worried that with the new ones and their mega forms that they'd cut access to the old Pokedexes too since its all 3D now.

I want to assemble my best-of-the-best from past games.

I hope it does but I don't think so. That seems like a huge undertaking.

#31 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -
#32 Edited by Itwongo (1207 posts) -
#33 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -
#34 Posted by sissylion (679 posts) -

I kinda predicted there wouldn't be as many new Pokedex entries this time around, but 70 is a lot lower than what I was expecting.

Oh, man, seriously? That's such garbage. The best part about Black and White was that first runs of the game would only have you seeing new Pokemon. And now they're not only removing that feature, they can't even implement it because they don't have enough new stuff for the game to subsist on.

I feel like the hype around this generation is pretty substantial, but this is the first time I've ever felt like I've gotten too old for Pokemon.

#35 Edited by Itwongo (1207 posts) -

@turtlebird95: I'll bet that the reason he looks like a shrimp is more the result of him being at a bad viewing angle than him actually looking like a shrimp.

#36 Posted by Itwongo (1207 posts) -

@sissylion: That 70 new pokemon thing is far from confirmed.

#37 Edited by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -

@itwongo: Now that I really look at it, I'm thinking that's the case. I need to see from another angle to be sure, but it could be pretty badass.

Odd they would change his type to Steel/Fairy though. Whoops, read that wrong. Water and Flying makes sense.

#38 Posted by Itwongo (1207 posts) -

@turtlebird95: It's water/flying. The corresponding types are above the pokemon. The formatting on that chart sucks.

#39 Posted by NegativeCero (3005 posts) -

I would honestly rather them make 70 new pokemon that are thought out and look decent than having 100+ that are subpar and uninspired. I haven't seen all of them, but I will say I like the designs of all the starters.

#40 Posted by Zalrus9 (111 posts) -

Well, I'm really excited to play the game and see for myself. I find that the Pokemon games get a lot better when you do a nuzlocke run with them (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nuzlocke_Challenge) . It makes you care about them, and the difficulty is much more to my liking. Does anybody else do this?

#41 Posted by andrew2696 (319 posts) -
#42 Edited by JackSukeru (5916 posts) -

Man, Froakie is an easy choice for starter this time around. I dig all his forms, and it's the first time in forever that I've liked the final form of a Starter.

It's too bad that he's eventually gonna hafta go once I start putting together my Bug team. Black 2 had a veritable smorgasbord of awesome bug types. I can only hope that, with some pulls from earlier generations, this gen won't disappoint in that regard.

#43 Edited by Itwongo (1207 posts) -
#44 Posted by Hunter5024 (5705 posts) -

Klefki is my new least favorite pokemon.

#45 Posted by Itwongo (1207 posts) -
#46 Posted by Zalrus9 (111 posts) -

Is anybody else stoked that we now have a Luchador Pokemon? And it's Flying-Fighting! I don't know any other pokemon who has that type combination!

#47 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2415 posts) -

@zalrus9: Agreed! I'm definitely getting one for my team!

#48 Posted by kerse (2114 posts) -

I just want to know what all the version exclusives are so I know which one I wanna preorder, I guess I'll just wait til its out.

#49 Posted by Red (5995 posts) -

Looks pretty good. Funny that Froakie had my least favorite first form but the only decent looking final form. Not a fan of most of the new pokemon and megaevolutions, but there seem to be enough decent ones to build a team out of, especially considering the new emphasis on older pokemon (starting with Charmander again, woo!). I'm really interested as to megaevolutions will effect the metagame and certain pokemon's viability. It seems it could bump up some well-liked but competitively weak pokemon (Charizard getting Drought and Absol getting Magic Bounce seem especially intriguing) and give different attack options for known powerhouses. I have to say I'm pretty excited, and can't wait until I have some free time to really dig into the game.

#50 Posted by CynicalBuzzard (240 posts) -

I can not wait for the Pokemon bank to get here.

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