Man, I just back from 2 intense battles and boy am I tired. I beat aajf in 2 awesome fights. Seriously though, check out that first one.
So am I right in thinking that whoever meets @spaceboat in the final will have to win twice, on account of the double elimination format? I'd say we now have a very heavy favourite if that's the case!
Unless I'm horribly mistaken, that's how double elimination works. It's gonna be tough!
Beat me comprehensively at that. I could perhaps have played a little smarter, but in truth my team is completely ill-equipped to cope with such a strong stall team. I stupidly neglected to save the videos, so thanks for uploading them.
Frustrated not to have set up a semi-final rematch with @theblue, but pleased with my first competitive pokemon experience in all. Good luck to everyone that's left for the rest of the way!
And so my time comes to an end, it was fun while it lasted! Those were definitely some rough matches for me. A couple unlucky burns and bad moves on my part cost me that one. Though I wasn't aware that we could teach our pokemon different moves over the course of the tournament? That may have changed some bouts for me. In retrospect there's a lot I should've done differently, but oh well. I enjoyed my first competitive outing.
Good luck to Jinx1 and SpaceBoat in the finals!
Good luck! May the best person who traps creatures called Pokemon and forces them to fight win. We'll spend a little bit of time discussing the format and rules for next season after this final (remember that SpaceBoat needs to lose 2 sets of matches in order for it to count as a loss), I was thinking we should start mixing it up a little.
Jinx and I just had the first set of three, which I lost. We're going to have the final set on a different day, these battles take a long time!
That last one is definitely one to watch. I got so close to pulling it out in the end. I knew I should have used Play Rough!
We just finished the final set
Congratulations to SpaceBoat for retaining his title! Will he make it 3 in a row?
I was thinking that we should mix things up for the upcoming seasons. With the Pokemon Bank is launching relatively soon, people will be able to make their ultimate/most favorite teams. I figure it would be nice to mix it up before then with some more challenging rules. How about for season 3 we say that 6 of your 9 registered Pokemon must from from the first 2 generations, and that 6 of your 9 must be from the current generation in season 4? With the bank out by season 5 or around it, we could do a less restrictive/more competitive rule set that follows ban lists and tiers.
Man, I don't think I'll be able to compete if we restrict the next season to gen 1/2 pokemon. With my free time I've only completed a gen 6 team in the past couple of days. If everyone else is down for it though, I'll do my best to get ready in time.
How about the new rules this season? Did everyone like the best of 3 and substitution stuff?
I'm okay with the idea of restricting most of a team to certain gens. I don't know if I'll be able to pull something together quickly though, this week is extremely busy for me. It'll depend on when this season starts. I thought it would be cool to have mono-type teams for a season, like everyone uses ice types or something, but I think that would be too unbalanced.
You know what wouldn't be a bad idea? Having each person get a team of 6 (no subs) and having one Pokemon from each generation. However, if this is going to be done it should be scheduled for like early next year or something because there are a lot of other games out now and with all the holidays it feels like it would be best to give people some time to build up new teams. Just a thought.
I'd rather no restrictions. No one here can make a team like that in time for a tourney.
I just realized that 6 of my 9 Pokemon are from the first two gens so I can role with my same team if the rules stay as they are now :)
While I technically have the pokes to put a team like that together, it would not be a well balanced team and it seems most people maybe need a little more time. Remember that there are people who have yet to participate who were working on teams for the old rules.
Might I suggest that we have one more conventional tournament, but establish the restricted rules for the next one ahead of time? If we get in the habit of planning funky changes for the next season in advance we can hopefully avoid radical fluctuations in numbers. I imagine it will take a little time even after the pokebank releases for people to put their newly favoured teams together, especially people like me who have no previous competitive mons and will have to do a bunch of trading to get anywhere, so I don't see the harm of delaying that transition by one season.
As for the best of 3 battles, 6 mains and 3 subs, double elimination format, I personally really enjoyed it and enough games had 2-1 scorelines to suggest that the subs served their purpose of mixing things up. We may need some clarification on whether moves can be changed between rounds - most assumed not, I think? - but otherwise I think it worked really well.
edit - I should clarify that I'm neither here nor there on whether move changes between rounds should be allowed. I don't know what's conventional, just think it should be made explicit one way or the other before the season starts to avoid confusion.
I agree that it might be best to save the more restrictive rules for a later time. The problem is that we would have to scramble to make a large amount of Pokemon from a much smaller pool and it might lead to teams being less well prepared, which would be a shame. I also know at least one person who's interested in joining the Giant Bomb community and trying to battle in the tournament (despite the low priority for new members), and he just finished his team, like I know a lot of other people have.
The 3 sub double elimination worked great though. It added a little strategy outside of simply butting heads until it's over. I also liked that the subs let you slightly tailor your team. From your perspective, you're bringing in new things that can fight against what gave you trouble before. For them, you're actually removing things that they might have considered in their plan. The finals gave a good example of this. In the first battle of the first set, I won by using Dragon Dance several times. The existence of Ditto in the next battles forced me to change the way I played and I lost. In the second set, my main team failed to break through, but with Goodra, I was able to play a slower game.
We probably should talk about how anyone feels about moves changing between rounds. It didn't matter much in the first season, but it happened a few times this time. Obviously I changed Dragonite's Outrage to Dragon Rush and Absol's Swords Dance to Hone Claws because I knew I was up against Minimize. It's kind of an extra level of preparation that you wouldn't normally see if they were anonymous battles.
I don't know, I personally prefer a more pure battling perspective where you go in with the moves and pokes you have and you just duke it out till the bitter end. It just felt like this season people were changing moves just to counter certain threats and it kind of ruins the fun. Though this point is moot as we can all just watch replays of the battles and know what we're up against. I just felt a little burned when my Dragonite was hit with a Thunder Wave to eliminate its Lum Berry and to slow it down when I was thinking that wasn't even a possibility. I didn't raise any grief over it because the rules don't say that you can't change moves and honestly, I think I would've lost regardless.
At the same time, if everyone knew that they could change moves then it adds a whole new dimension to the strategy. It can give you that sense of not knowing what you're up against but not quite as blind as an anonymous battle. If everyone wants that to be a permanent rule change, I won't argue.
I dont like the idea of moves and items being posted. I used my klefki only once and in the very last match for a reason. No one ever saw its moves or item or nothing. It was a huge element of surprise. If they want moves to stay the same fine, but if possible I don't want it to be listed.
@goranp: the ideal setup, to me, would be having items and moves fixed but without having everyone see them beforehand. That would maintain the potential surprise of substitutes held to the end, as @jinx1 described, but eliminate the kind of bummer moment that @theblue faced. I can't think how to police it though.
@goranp I think the honor system would be fine for me, I don't think anyone here would actively try to cheat. And I'm with them, I think moves and items should not be revealed. People should send you moves and items but I think you should only list the pokemon. That way, if anyone has an issue and feels something is up, they can contest it and you can show the list of moves that the pokemon in question should have.
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