New Pokemon game.. is a crossover?

#1 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7616 posts) -

Pokemon is teaming up with Nobunaga's Ambition, a series of turn based role-playing games!

As a big supporter of the games.. this feels more than a little desperate and tacky on Nintendo's part. Why does Pokemon need a cross over to keep it interesting? Why pick such an obscure series of games, that's only going to result in alienating the western audience? If they done this with something like Dragon Quest, I could at least see the appeal. Perhaps we'll get Pokemon x Command & Conquer instead?

#2 Posted by ImHungry (377 posts) -

Seems pretty cool looking to me. Also I don't think they really have much to be 'desperate' about with this one considering the Pokemon series still does gangbusters over in Japan and doesn't quite suffer from the same burn out as western audiences seem to have experienced. Who's to say this will even see an English release anyway? Hope it does though, a Pokemon RTS would be amusing to see if nothing else.

#3 Posted by Barrock (3531 posts) -

Come on Nintendo. Just give me a console RPG Pokemon. Shit let the Dragon Quest guys do it.

#4 Posted by NeoGamer (158 posts) -

Why "desperate" and "to keep it interesting"? It's not a main entry in the series, so whatever, like those Pokemon Ranger or something. I mean, it's for the DSi, not even the 3DS.

The japanese love crossovers, and Nobunaga's Ambition is not so obscure there. This is not a game for the west (although they could bring it over because anything with Pokémon in it sells).

#5 Posted by Shikon (176 posts) -

yeah ok this is a little weird...

on a side not you just made me intrested in Nobunaga's Ambition so thanks i guess ?

oh and the cover makes it look like those samurai have become pokemon masters lets hope thats true!

bunch of doods with swords fighting with pokemon....

#6 Edited by WinterSnowblind (7616 posts) -

@ImHungry: They still sell stupidly well everywhere. The problem is every game has been a complete re-hash of the last, they've even remade two of the games with strong rumours of the next one being another remake! Is the only way they can come up with new ideas by these silly anime cross-overs? Like I said, if it had to happen, why not at least pick a franchise with world wide appeal?

I'd like to at least see something from the series that isn't a silly cross-over or another remake.

#7 Posted by Hizang (8532 posts) -

Weird choice of Pokemon on the cover, I mean out of the 500-600+ Pokemon there are, they choose Jigglypuff?

#8 Posted by Maystack (906 posts) -

From the screenshots I've seen, it kinda looks like a pokémon RTS. Sounds good to me.

#9 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7616 posts) -

@Hizang said:

Weird choice of Pokemon on the cover, I mean out of the 500-600+ Pokemon there are, they choose Jigglypuff?

Jigglypuff has always been one of the most popular, he's up there right next to Pikachu.

#10 Posted by ImHungry (377 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind: Well Japan loves crossovers, so there's that? But in all seriousness, I agree that Pokemon games are essentially re-hashes, but in all honesty, what could they really gonna do to change up the formula? It's like saying that Starcraft 2 is a rehash of the original because the mechanics are the same with just new units added in (not entirely true I know, but only example I could think of off the top of my head).

The only twist they've pulled that met with some success was the Pokemon Colosseum stuff, and I personally enjoyed the first game when it came out, but at the same time it was restrictive in so many other ways (limiting the Pokemon you could catch) in service of the story, and at the end of the day that's not what Pokemon games are about. The value from each new game in fan's eyes are new moves, new abilities and new pokemon that change up the battles, especially in the competitive battling scene.

At this point, a flagship Pokemon game really can't be anything other than a journey to beat 8 gyms. They mixed it up a bit with Black/White and I think that's a good sign, maybe the next installment will bring even more changes. I'm at least marginally interested in seeing 3D Pokemon.

#11 Posted by Sorasha (87 posts) -

You make it sound like this game would ever actually make it to the states.

#12 Posted by sirdesmond (1240 posts) -

Yea, why hasn't a fully-fledged console Pokemon happened and been amazing? I want that.

#13 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7616 posts) -

@Sorasha said:

You make it sound like this game would ever actually make it to the states.

Why wouldn't it? It has Pokemon in it and will therefore sell millions regardless, people don't need to know what the other franchise is to care.

#14 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

I am really excited to see the Pokemon RPG series continued on the 3DS. Black/White was quite impressive for the dated DS hardware. Might finally have a fully 3D Pokemon game.

#15 Posted by StaticFalconar (4849 posts) -

pokemon vs dynasty warriors?

#16 Edited by NaDannMaGoGo (338 posts) -

@ ImHungry

Starcraft 2 is much more different to Starcraft 1 than Pokemon Red/Blue are to Black/White.

But apart from that aspect, it is Starcraft >2<. With a decade inbetween. At the same time we are basically at like Pokemon >15< with releases every year. Those games even cost as much if not more than Sc2 lol .It's fucking pathetic.

Also Starcraft 1 does have a very good gameplay style which basics can, no must be kept within a sequel.

Meanwhile there so much stuff to improve in Pokemon, it's not even funny. The gameplay is fucking atrocious. It has a super slow pacing, 4 direction walking (since the beginning!!!), always horrible stories (which even though its a kids game is no need) and the worst, the battle system is just interesting. Sure, you can play it on a competitive level and it may be interesting there. But playing through Pokemon? Urgh, exciting matches look different.

#17 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@NaDannMaGoGo said:

@ ImHungry

The gameplay is fucking atrocious.

If that was true it wouldn't review well, but pretty much every Pokemon main series game has scored favourable. That is all that needs to be said in regards to that comment.

#18 Posted by Jack268 (3387 posts) -

So is this from Jump Festa or from CoroCoro? I was under the impression that there'd be a new game reveal in next month's issue of CoroCoro and another game reveal at Jump Festa.

#19 Posted by selbie (1899 posts) -

I wonder if Pokemon collecting will carry through or if you just fight dudes with a single pokemon. From the screenshots it looks like the latter. Everyone has their own pokemon mascot/sidekick.

Also you could add that pic to the pokemon + nobunaga's ambition page

#20 Posted by EchoEcho (825 posts) -

Nobunaga's Ambition? Seriously? Now there's a name I haven't seen in a long time...

@sirdesmond said:

Yea, why hasn't a fully-fledged console Pokemon happened and been amazing? I want that.

I can still remember seeing screenshots of a work-in-progress, full-fledged Pokemon game for the N64 way back in the day, probably in Nintendo Power. Clearly that idea got canned. Guess they decided it's easier to sell Pokemon games to kids through their parents when they're on handhelds, due to the lower price? Hard to say! The only Pokemon games I've touched were the original Red, and Sapphire on the GBA, but I'd be lying if I said the idea of a big, open-world Pokemon game on a console didn't intrigue me. If they just spit out the equivalent of a handheld Pokemon game and were like "But look how pretty it is on the console!" I'd probably have to pass, though.

#21 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4733 posts) -

@NaDannMaGoGo said:

@ ImHungry

Starcraft 2 is much more different to Starcraft 1 than Pokemon Red/Blue are to Black/White.

But apart from that aspect, it is Starcraft >2<. With a decade inbetween. At the same time we are basically at like Pokemon >15< with releases every year. Those games even cost as much if not more than Sc2 lol .It's fucking pathetic.

Also Starcraft 1 does have a very good gameplay style which basics can, no must be kept within a sequel.

Meanwhile there so much stuff to improve in Pokemon, it's not even funny. The gameplay is fucking atrocious. It has a super slow pacing, 4 direction walking (since the beginning!!!), always horrible stories (which even though its a kids game is no need) and the worst, the battle system is just interesting. Sure, you can play it on a competitive level and it may be interesting there. But playing through Pokemon? Urgh, exciting matches look different.

We're on the fifth iteration of Pokemon, they're always more than a year (usually a generation) apart, and they have never been priced as much as SC2. Please actually look up information before spouting nonsense. And WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU COMPARING SC2 AND POKEMON? Both very good, but very different, games.

#22 Posted by Hizang (8532 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind: I understand that, but it seems dumb that its Jiggypuff VS Mewtwo on the cover..

#23 Posted by DeeGee (2123 posts) -

@Hizang said:

@WinterSnowblind: I understand that, but it seems dumb that its Jiggypuff VS Mewtwo on the cover..

Jigglypuff vs Mewtwo sounds fucking dope!

Also this will just go on the long list of obscure Japanese games that have a Pokemon crossover. Nothing new here.

#24 Posted by AndrewB (7608 posts) -

@WinterSnowblind said:

Pokemon is teaming up with Nobunaga's Ambition, a series of turn based role-playing games!

As a big supporter of the games.. this feels more than a little desperate and tacky on Nintendo's part. Why does Pokemon need a cross over to keep it interesting? Why pick such an obscure series of games, that's only going to result in alienating the western audience? If they done this with something like Dragon Quest, I could at least see the appeal. Perhaps we'll get Pokemon x Command & Conquer instead?

This is one of those cases where they obviously aren't looking at the Western audience. As Japanese developers, they're looking to make this spinoff as successful as possible for their market. The next Western game will be the next in the RPG series, which is totally being developed as we speak, probably for a Fall release in Japan and a Spring 2013 release in America.

There will always be filler releases for the Pokemon franchise. This is at least something more interesting (to me, at least) than the other filler releases they've done.

#25 Posted by NaDannMaGoGo (338 posts) -

@GunslingerPanda said:

@NaDannMaGoGo said:

@ ImHungry

Starcraft 2 is much more different to Starcraft 1 than Pokemon Red/Blue are to Black/White.

But apart from that aspect, it is Starcraft >2<. With a decade inbetween. At the same time we are basically at like Pokemon >15< with releases every year. Those games even cost as much if not more than Sc2 lol .It's fucking pathetic.

Also Starcraft 1 does have a very good gameplay style which basics can, no must be kept within a sequel.

Meanwhile there so much stuff to improve in Pokemon, it's not even funny. The gameplay is fucking atrocious. It has a super slow pacing, 4 direction walking (since the beginning!!!), always horrible stories (which even though its a kids game is no need) and the worst, the battle system is just interesting. Sure, you can play it on a competitive level and it may be interesting there. But playing through Pokemon? Urgh, exciting matches look different.

We're on the fifth iteration of Pokemon, they're always more than a year (usually a generation) apart, and they have never been priced as much as SC2. Please actually look up information before spouting nonsense. And WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU COMPARING SC2 AND POKEMON? Both very good, but very different, games.

5th iteration of the main series perhaps. But add to that all those remakes and inbetween versions (like Emerald etc). I compare it to Starcraft 2 because someone else brought it up and I just want to clarify how shitty the "evolution" of the Pokemon game series has been.

#26 Posted by SerHulse (685 posts) -

@NaDannMaGoGo: You clearly have not been playing Pokemon at all if you think there is no difference between Red/Blue and Black/White (mechanics and gameplay wise)

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