Pokemon Wii Probably Won't Be A "Core" Game

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#51 Posted by Halberdierv2 (1868 posts) -

augh... nintendo, why? Pokemon XD worked fine as a console game,as well as colosseum. so why can't we get closure for that story? I wanna see what happened to Wes.

#52 Posted by MisterMouse (3543 posts) -

I still think it would be cool if they some how translated the idea of Pokemon and everything that the main games in the series is to a console to expand upon what is already there, and to improve various areas.

#53 Posted by PandaShake (385 posts) -

The excerpts from the interview only sounds like excuses to me.  The ideas of pokemon they have in mind can be done better on a console with a good internet structure, but they dismiss it as being not what pokemon means to "him". How about what it means to the fans?  It's understandable they won't need to attempt a risky project until the handheld series goes unprofitable which also isn't likely in the near future.

#54 Edited by Crushed (884 posts) -
@PandaShake said:

" The excerpts from the interview only sounds like excuses to me.  The ideas of pokemon they have in mind can be done better on a console with a good internet structure, but they dismiss it as being not what pokemon means to "him". How about what it means to the fans?  It's understandable they won't need to attempt a risky project until the handheld series goes unprofitable which also isn't likely in the near future. "

The fans are 8 year old kids at school in America and Japan who carry portables in their backpacks at recess and lunch.
 
Frankly, I held the whole "series peaked at Gold/Silver" idea for a long time, but looking back it may just be because the target audience who played Red/Blue when they came out all hit puberty by the time Ruby/Sapphire came out. Looking at what the later games actually added and changed, it seems they really have done a lot to update the games; it's just kinda subtle if you just look at the basics.
#55 Posted by MikkaQ (10270 posts) -

I know I'm not Nintendo's demographic with this stuff, but everytime I play a pokemon game on my DS, I sure as hell don't do it in public. A home console version would be fun, and would take advantage of available hardware. Just don't make it a Wii game. Whatever comes after that, ideally a console that looks good on modern TVs. 

#56 Posted by PandaShake (385 posts) -
@Crushed: 
Not necessarily. That's definitely the target audience and probably the most profitable strategy, but fans are all ages that likes pokemon and have probably fantasized what it could be like on a console at least one point in their life.
#57 Posted by Einherjar (71 posts) -

Just make Pokémon Stadium 3, and I'll be happy.

#58 Edited by RobotHamster (4171 posts) -

He's right, a core console mmo, fully 3d real time battles isn't something we've all been waiting for.
 
But I'm still getting white but I really hope they change it up one day.

#59 Posted by dungbootle (2457 posts) -

Pocket Monsters, out of your pocket and on your television!

#60 Posted by Ichorid4 (90 posts) -

Pure copout. These guys don't have the balls to step up and take their franchise to consoles and big screens, frankly. 
 
There's a lot you can get away with in a handheld game that you can't pull in a real AAA title. Game Freak knows this and is running scared.

#61 Posted by Landon (4130 posts) -
@Alex_Carrillo said:
" @Landon: Pokemon on consoles just won't work as well. Nor will an MMO. And I'm glad they've figured that out too.   I just don't understand what the appeal is. Half the fun was being able to go anywhere, battle, and trade with your school mates or co-workers, or whatever. It's built around social gaming, and what better way to do that then by having your Pokemon with you at all times? That's why, apart from making more money, they release 2 versions. To give people a reason to trade around.     The main Pokemon games are meant for portables. That's the way they were designed since conception.        If all you really want are better graphics, then wait for the true 3DS Pokemon game. I'm certain with all that new horse power they'll have a completely different looking game.   And don't even get me started on arguing against a Pokemon MMO. I don't think there's a worse idea for a Pokemon game than that.  "
You could still have that social aspect with your friends through Xbox Live or PSN. Don't pretend that people are meeting up and trading Pokemon. While I'm sure that happens, I would bet money on most trades being done through the DS's Wi Fi.  
 
I really don't want to get into a discussion about how a full fledged console Pokemon would be totally awesome since I would literally have to write pages to convince you of my personal concept of it. But, to each his own I guess.
#62 Edited by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

Yet another "NO SHIT" article, Brad2. Why not release a real pokemon game on consoles? I've been waiting for one since the SNES.

#63 Edited by Crushed (884 posts) -
@Ichorid4 said:

" Pure copout. These guys don't have the balls to step up and take their franchise to consoles and big screens, frankly.  There's a lot you can get away with in a handheld game that you can't pull in a real AAA title. Game Freak knows this and is running scared. "

Yes, selling one of the most popular series of all time (which gets more popular and higher rated with every iteration) and having no real reason to put it on another system is running scared. Also, handhelds can't have "AAA" titles because uh
#64 Posted by DoctorWelch (2774 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind: Well I'm one of those people that is of the opinion that the first 151 are all that really matter but at the same I'm not soo stuborn that I wont recognize there are some good pokemon that have come out of the newer generations. The problem I have is that they seem to focus on quantity of pokemon and not quality. Some new ones are okay like houndour or aggron, but then you have really really stupid ones like hoothoot. Not only that but if they just straight up stopped making new ones i would be fine with the 600 or so that they have because when they keep throwing more and more in the mix than its like insane to know all of them and keep track of what ones are better than others. 
 
All that aside though, after the second generation I thought for sure that they would bring these great games to the console and its just crazy to me how that hasnt happened yet and that they arent really even considering it. 
 
You know what would be awesome, if they decided to remake the first two games for the Wii or for their next console :D but as a 1st generation lover its sort of an "of course i would want that" kind of thing lol.
#65 Posted by DoctorWelch (2774 posts) -
@ajamafalous said:
" @DoctorWelch said:
" There hasnt been anything significant introduced to the games that makes them any more interesting and in fact, the only thing they've really been adding is more pokemon which is actually the opposite of what the games need and the only thing that should stay the same. "
That is completely false and shows that you likely haven't played anything past Gen II for more than a few hours if at all. "
No it actually isnt false at all. I've played through a game of every pokemon generation and everything they've added is pointless, insignificant, and doesnt really change the formula or mechanics enough to make it more interesting. 
 
In fact, when you go back and play the older games, the battles and the game itself is paced much better and feels much faster. The newer games seem to be more sluggish and annoying in even the most simplest of aspects.
#66 Posted by BoogieWonder (7 posts) -

I really don't understand this. If they made an in depth, fully realized pokemon game for the consoles myself and probably everyone i know would buy it. The only real reason i stopped playing pokemon is because its the same damn thing every year.

#67 Posted by crusader8463 (14415 posts) -

Translation: Pokemon games sell what ever new Nintendo handheld they are trying to sell at the moment, so Nintendo said they would hire Yakuza to rape and kill all of our families if we ever made a real Pokemon game not on a handheld.

#68 Edited by Crushed (884 posts) -
@DoctorWelch said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @DoctorWelch said:
" There hasnt been anything significant introduced to the games that makes them any more interesting and in fact, the only thing they've really been adding is more pokemon which is actually the opposite of what the games need and the only thing that should stay the same. "
That is completely false and shows that you likely haven't played anything past Gen II for more than a few hours if at all. "
No it actually isnt false at all. I've played through a game of every pokemon generation and everything they've added is pointless, insignificant, and doesnt really change the formula or mechanics enough to make it more interesting.  In fact, when you go back and play the older games, the battles and the game itself is paced much better and feels much faster. The newer games seem to be more sluggish and annoying in even the most simplest of aspects. "
What? This is totally false, the new games have way more interesting and faster battles and pacing. Black and White in particular smokes the older ones is terms of speed.
#69 Posted by DoctorWelch (2774 posts) -
@Crushed: Well I havent played black and white but the DS and advance games are indeed much slower.
#70 Posted by JeanLuc (3574 posts) -

I'm just waiting for the pokemon mmo.

#71 Posted by blueduck (964 posts) -

With every new gameboy the graphics become better and better and the 3DS is pretty much an N64 so at some point they will have to make a full on 3d ( I mean 3d like zelda ocarina of time) Pokemon. 

#72 Posted by ___pocalypse (561 posts) -

I'm fine with Pokemon being on hand helds forever. I like Pokemon because I can play it anywhere, and for short or long amounts of time.
 
What I would like is some sort of customization of my playable character. I don't really care about the cartoons so the fact that I'm just playing the newest cartoon character is kind of dumb to me. I feel like it would be an easy thing to change, but idk if they ever will.

#73 Posted by MajorToms (366 posts) -
@Crushed you're crazy. The dude is right. The games are much more convoluted than the first gen. There is a lot of completely pointless additions they've added to the games besides the half million pokemon, such as beauty contests.

Other amazingly pointless additions include cave diving, day/night pop cycles, a second bicycle type, the plethora of iPhone apps in your backpack (in case you need a calculator or a sketch book and didn't pack one before you left the house, or you want to pet your pokemon to keep them happy), etc... These do nothing but slow the game down to a crawl.

If my pokemon don't eat the right berries or get enough attention they get pissy and don't want to do the shit I'm telling them to do. How does that speed up the game at all? I get that doing these things should improve the pokemons performance, but not doing them shouldn't cause a hindrance. That's just bad game design.
#74 Posted by Aaron_G (1611 posts) -

I've always wanted a good Pokemon game to experience at home, shame I will probably never get to see that.
#75 Posted by Crushed (884 posts) -
@MajorToms said:
a bunch of optional stuff you never need to really use
What a bad argument.
#77 Posted by Ichorid4 (90 posts) -
@Crushed said:
" @Ichorid4 said:

" Pure copout. These guys don't have the balls to step up and take their franchise to consoles and big screens, frankly.  There's a lot you can get away with in a handheld game that you can't pull in a real AAA title. Game Freak knows this and is running scared. "

Yes, selling one of the most popular series of all time (which gets more popular and higher rated with every iteration) and having no real reason to put it on another system is running scared. Also, handhelds can't have "AAA" titles because uh "
 
As everyone else has mentioned already, they haven't added anything meaningful to the core game dynamic since Gen 1. So yeh, they stumbled upon a magic formula but aren't gutsy or confident enough to expand on it in any way that matters without worrying that they might break something or dispel the magic. That includes a shift of the core series to consoles.
#78 Posted by Ace829 (2083 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
" Online capabilities these days make his reason somewhat invalid. A Pokemon console MMO that played at least somewhat like the "core" games, could be amazing. "
Why Nintendo hasn't capitalized on this idea is something I will never understand.
#79 Edited by MaddProdigy (1041 posts) -
@DoctorWelch: You talk a lot of shit about these guys intelligence, but how would you personally move Pokemon onto the consoles? Calling them stupid because they aren't making a totally new, ground up series on the consoles when people still want and buy the old ones is ridiculous. Pitch me your idea, we'll see how smart it is compared to the ideas of the people who made Pokemon.' 
 
Edit: I do agree with you by the way, many of the games have been stale, repetitive variations on the same old formula. But your post is crazy.
#80 Posted by Crash_Happy (655 posts) -
@MysteriousBob: Yes, unfortunately there's an almost complete lack of innovation in the series. If they addressed that, rather than trying to come up with new pokemon, then they would step away from exactly the kind of stagnation that series like Final Fantasy are suffering from.
#81 Posted by Crash_Happy (655 posts) -
@Ace829: Because Ninty don't do online. 
It actually makes no sense for them to green light any MMO based upon a property of theirs. Currently if you want pokemon you have to buy Nintendo hardware. If they allowed an MMO on any other platform, that simply wouldn't be true. You could get your fill elsewhere.
#82 Posted by sorawesome (72 posts) -

well yeah, aint nothing I like better than pokemon'ing it up when I'm traveling.

#83 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7613 posts) -
@Ace829 said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" Online capabilities these days make his reason somewhat invalid. A Pokemon console MMO that played at least somewhat like the "core" games, could be amazing. "
Why Nintendo hasn't capitalized on this idea is something I will never understand. "
The games already feature quite extensive online features, especially Black and White.  You can trade and battle with random people online or even bring them over into your game to play with. 
I don't see why the games need any more online aspects than that.  A full fledged MMO just wouldn't work, for several reasons.  I've gone into depth on this matter in the past and don't feel like doing so again, but just to name a few.. 
 
-Young audience + MMO's rarely ends well. 
-Battles are turn based and very slow, not ideal for large scale online play 
-Subscription fee would put off 90% of their target audience. 
-Would player's replace random trainers?  If so, this would make it very difficult to progress in the game, requiring you to beat other skilled players to progress.  This not only allows people to pray on the younger or less experienced players but would be a bad mechanic in general.   If NPC trainers still exist, how does it differ from the standard games, if we already have areas in the handheld games to meet up, trade and battle?
#84 Posted by blaakmawf (543 posts) -

I kinda agree with him. As it is, the game is sort of shallow and is perfect for drop-in drop-out gameplay. Perhaps if the story was stronger or the pacing was more directed, it would be a good fit for consoles.

#85 Posted by JJWeatherman (14557 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind said:
" @Ace829 said:
" @JJWeatherman said:
" Online capabilities these days make his reason somewhat invalid. A Pokemon console MMO that played at least somewhat like the "core" games, could be amazing. "
Why Nintendo hasn't capitalized on this idea is something I will never understand. "
The games already feature quite extensive online features, especially Black and White.  You can trade and battle with random people online or even bring them over into your game to play with. I don't see why the games need any more online aspects than that.  A full fledged MMO just wouldn't work, for several reasons.  I've gone into depth on this matter in the past and don't feel like doing so again, but just to name a few..  -Young audience + MMO's rarely ends well. -Battles are turn based and very slow, not ideal for large scale online play -Subscription fee would put off 90% of their target audience. -Would player's replace random trainers?  If so, this would make it very difficult to progress in the game, requiring you to beat other skilled players to progress.  This not only allows people to pray on the younger or less experienced players but would be a bad mechanic in general.   If NPC trainers still exist, how does it differ from the standard games, if we already have areas in the handheld games to meet up, trade and battle? "
Some good points, but nothing that couldn't be worked around with some creative and innovative game design. When I originally said MMO, I was actually thinking something more like Phantasy Star Online or Diablo... or something. Of course there would be problems designing a pokemon game after those games as well. My point is that I think it would be awesome if there was a pokemon game that's completely unique and independent from any other game's design, but would share certain social aspects of an MMO. Of course that is tremendously easier said than done, but whatever; I can dream.
#86 Posted by DoctorWelch (2774 posts) -
@MaddProdigy: Heres my idea, put the damn thing on consoles and elaborate and iterate on the formula you have on the handheld, it's really not that hard. Also I never said that just because they make the console game doesnt mean they have to stop making the handheld games. The problem is I can guarantee with 100% certainty that making the 1st actual real pokemon game on the console will make way more money than they've ever made on any other pokemon console game, and who knows, I honestly wouldnt be surprised if it made more money and sold more copies than the handheld games currently do. I'm calling them stupid not just because I want the console game, but because it just baffles me that they dont want to even try to move to the console. 
 
Now I understand that maybe they dont want to do it because doing so might make people be less inclined to buy the handheld game, or it would seem like they are sort of abandoning the handheld games, but I think they eventually need to move on. Pokemon is still pretty big and a shit ton of people buy the games but I have a feeling that eventually that wont be true (even if it may be like 15 20 years from now who knows). That being said, I would at least want to make the console game while pokemon is still super popular and tons of people would still pay attention. 
 
Maybe I'm just crazy but when your game starts to stagnate and you have an obvious cash cow and and obvious way to bring your franchise back into the forefront of video game talk everywhere, than you should probably take advantage of that opportunity.
#87 Posted by Forderz (247 posts) -

I've held the golden image in my head of the 3D pokemon game that uses whatever variation of the Tale's series LMBS is working best right now. Fuck that would be amazing. Agility dictates speed, size matters very much, works for 1v1,2v2,3v3, or even...... 4v4...  God even the 4 attack limitation pokemon has WORKS PERFECTLY. 
 
It makes me sad that will never come to pass.

#88 Posted by Kyle (2323 posts) -

Can't say I'm at all surprised, just... still very disappointed.

#89 Posted by Cold_Wolven (2214 posts) -

Here's how I really see it, I'm either sitting on my chair in my bedroom playing Pokemon on a small LCD screen or I'm playing it on my 55 inch LED. Nintendo need to move forward now, it's been 15 years since its inception on Gameboy. 

#90 Posted by pjmayo42 (1 posts) -

Thats disappointing. I wwas eagerly looking forward to what came after Black and White. T.T

#91 Posted by Example1013 (4834 posts) -

This sounds about right. I like Pokemon, and I like console RPGs, but the thing I love about Pokemon is that it's an entire game that I can bring anywhere. It was designed for portables, and it works beautifully, unlike shitty, main-console ports of games (CoD Portable) that are made just to sell units. 
 
I do like the idea of having a fully-featured Pokemon game on a home console, in full 3D, that takes full advantage of the system's capabilities (except for motion control, because I'm not fucking waggling to play pokemon), but I also don't think it should be a core release. It should definitely be an ancillary game, like Pokemon Stadium, which did it perfectly.  
 
Pokemon Stadium gave you a bunch of things: an adventure mode, a bunch of minigames, access to battle with "rental" pokemon, so you could just go crazy with teams, and a much bigger area of storage that could be used to hold onto extras if your boxes got full, and to move pokemon between the different games. Also, you could just straight-up start up and run your cartridge on the big screen, if you so desired. 
 
So here's hoping we're talking about Pokemon Stadium 3. 
 
Also, the MMO is another good idea, but once again it can't be a "core" release, like the adventure game. If anything, it might just be basically a giant GUI matchmaking server. Then again, with the advent of tag battles and 3v3s, the possibilities for organizing group events open up. I don't doubt that the game could be made pokemon, but I wouldn't expect it to be a straight-up open-world adventure, necessarily. 
 
Also, I think of Pokemon more like a sort of MW-type thing. The gameplay changes are more tweaks for fans of the series, than a redesign meant to make it all completely fresh and innovative. And really, I'm satisfied with the gameplay as it is, at least within the core games. 
 
But I'm not saying that there's nothing that can be done. I'm saying that a redesign or re-imagining may have its place, but that place is outside of the core games, and the core gameplay. Millions of people still find Pokemon fun enough to make every game a top-seller, so I'm figuring that the people who are tired of it aren't the audience Nintendo is catering to.

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