Discussion concerning the inevitable sequel

#1 Posted by BoG (5192 posts) -

*All those entering this thread, be warned: Major spoilers ahoy!*


Ok, so I just beat the game, and that ending was fantastic. Ubisoft learned how to make a satisfying ending and open things up for a sequel. Now, I must know: What do you think will happen in the sequel?
Obviously, Elika is going to be pissed.  Things should be a bit harrier this time around too, as Ahriman isn't waiting to get out, he IS out (at least, the ending leads me to beleive this) and that can't be good.
As for the Prince, do you think he'll become like the Hunter, Concubine, Warrior, Alchemist, and Elika's father? Will you be a total B.A. who destroys everything? Of course, as we saw with the warrior, the conscience is possibly still intact, and the ability to escape from Ahriman's mind trap is possible. Will you even be good at all?
Oh man. Great game.
#2 Posted by daniel_beck_90 (3159 posts) -

I believe the very first thing that will establish in the sequel is the affection and love between Prince and Elika . now that Elika knows Prince sacrificed all his past deeds just to return life back to her body she will fall in love with him .
I'd say after a romantic scene both will go and look for Ormazd (the god of light ) since he is the only one that can actually  stand against Ahriman .
I believe the second POP will resemble POP :Warrior within since the Ahriman will frequently chase  the Prince and Elika just like  Dahaka  . so that will makes the sequel a very thrilling experience just like POP: Warrior within .

#3 Edited by BoG (5192 posts) -

I disagree, I don't think she will immediately love him due to this. I believe we're dealing with a tragedy hear, and someone is going to get hurt. Elika loved  him in the end, but I think he will become progressively more evil, and she will no longer love him. Really, he didn't sacrifice his past for her, he sacrificed her kingdom and the light that filled the land for her, as well as the light within him. I don't think they will search for Ormazd either, for two reasons:

  • The Prince has never really been enthusiastic about Ormazd, does not care for Gods
  • The Prince is now under Ahriman's influence

I also think we'll see more into his character, as most of this game didn't reveal much. For me, the final scene was revelatory into his character, and all of it came together. I think his humor and care-free attitude was merely a cover up for cynicism. The fact that he ran away from home and lived as a wanderer also reveals how out of touch he is with reality. I don't think The Prince will be a very honorable character by the close of this trilogy.
#4 Edited by elbow (368 posts) -

Just before I try out that Combo Specialist again!

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Bear in mind, the next game will also have a Teen rating, and I don't believe that Ubisoft will change that. If they wanted to put out a much more "mature" M rated game, then they would have done so, but it appears they are taking this in another route. Sure they could get a bit more complex with the story and the plot devices that they use, but I don't believe they will make a tragedy or something that is leaps and bounds more different than this game. To boot, the whole gameplay mechanic that is Elika, will have to be in the next one, seeing as it's a crucial part of this game, and it just wouldn't make much sense if it wasn't her.

If there is one thing to be said about the Prince, is that he's a man of action, of conviction; I don't think he ever hesistated in the game, or slipped up, ever questioned himself no matter what. He lives by his own set of rules, his own morals, so in essence this is a much more different Prince, I'd garner to say a much more mature Prince than the one from the SoT Trilogy. While even though he still carries that theme of selfishness, he looks like he has his head screwed on right and I doubt he would let himself become a puppet to Ahriman.

So with that in mind, I do agree with Daniel, in that this next game will have the plot progression of Warrior Within, but that's as far as it goes. I don't believe it will be a tragedy, I believe it will be a more serious game, seeing as the Prince and Elika's interaction will be much more akin to that of a "married" couple, but the Prince will still be spouting sarcastic comments and what not at his enemies. Heck we shouldn't fret much though, I keep hearing the next PoP is being released in 09 - OMG? - and it should be interesting!

#5 Posted by BoG (5192 posts) -

Well, I don't think a T rated game can't be a tragedy. I'm not talking gore and swearing, just a classical tragedy: the guy doesn't get the girl in the end. However, Elika will have to stay. I predict that, despite The Prince's darker side coming out (as I also predict), she will still be attached to him, following him and hoping he will forsake the darkness. She treated her father the same way. Becoming a puppet of Ahriman may not be something he can control, just as none of the others really could.

#6 Posted by daniel_beck_90 (3159 posts) -
BoG said:
"I disagree, I don't think she will immediately love him due to this. I believe we're dealing with a tragedy hear, and someone is going to get hurt. Elika loved  him in the end, but I think he will become progressively more evil, and she will no longer love him. Really, he didn't sacrifice his past for her, he sacrificed her kingdom and the light that filled the land for her, as well as the light within him. I don't think they will search for Ormazd either, for two reasons:
  • The Prince has never really been enthusiastic about Ormazd, does not care for Gods
  • The Prince is now under Ahriman's influence

I also think we'll see more into his character, as most of this game didn't reveal much. For me, the final scene was revelatory into his character, and all of it came together. I think his humor and care-free attitude was merely a cover up for cynicism. The fact that he ran away from home and lived as a wanderer also reveals how out of touch he is with reality. I don't think The Prince will be a very honorable character by the close of this trilogy."
 

BoG , Ahriman’s influence is nothing but corruption so he has no impact on Prince’s mind or soul  (It ‘s is a T rated game after all ) . in one of the dialogs after encountering the corrupted King , Prince asked Elika : “Can we get corrupted too ?” and Elika responded : No ,not as long as I have these powers .

So Elika’s presence is enough to guarantee that Ahriman can not force Prince to do anything . also Prince himself loves Elika and does not want to sell his soul to Ahriman who is essentially his Love’s enemy .  


#7 Posted by BoG (5192 posts) -

Ok, what does being a T rated game have to do with ANYTHING? Because it is rated T, no one can be evil?

Also, The Prince DID sell his soul to Ahriman for Elika, what do you think that whole ending sequence was about?
Do you think the Prince will really want to go find Ormazd, of whom is skeptical of throughout the entire game?
Elika did say that, but I am hesistant to accept that, considering Elika's father was corrupted, and Elika couldn't stop that.
#8 Posted by MooseHead (23 posts) -

After just finishing the game, the ending has left me satisfied and hungry for more. For all the theories mentioned here, I really think that their next mission will be to search out Ormazd. Something that was done right about the game was that you were never really spoon fed plot elements or character development. That's something that was brilliant because it was the onus on the gamer to discover who the Prince was through speaking casually with Elika. At one point I thought I had the story figured out: It was the conversation I believe after defeating the Concubine something mentioning that the Prince wants a tower with perhaps an inscription and Elika mentions something about him being able to have it all. Pretty vague but it got me thinking ahh perhaps this is how everything somewhat gets tied together. It never mentions that he is of any nobility and his parents died fighting in someone else's war and that's the last thing he wants to do. It doesn't seem like he is any Prince but he may assume the role of Nobility later on. So it seems important that Elika is still around as the love interest because that is his pathway to assuming the proper title. So, besidse that theory of how he is aptly names Prince, the way ubisoft decided to end this game was genius. The "visions" seen by the Prince through Elika didn't make sense only until the death of Elika. The point he loses Elika when she selflessly sacrifices herslef to save the dead kingdom the Prince felt like he lost something precious for the first time. Even if he didn't want to care, he did. Carrying her body across the long hall with the credits rolling was genius to. The end of the game occures at that moment. There is the necessary closure. But it's also quite. No fanfare, no epic music to go along with the conclusion. Just the Prince slowly walking with the body of Elika to the alter. You also can't make him say anything at this point. No smart remarks, can't comment about the situation. Then all the whispering happens which is presumably all his thoughts about what had transpired and the one that stood out the most was the cryptic messages of the Concubine who said "Elika has poisoned his mind". Elika never made a comment about this and he didn't understand but what happened at the end is precisly what she was talking about. The Prince all throughout the story is a smart ass jerk who really just wants to get out of there and would never have done what he did at the end of the game if Elika never died. Actually if Elika was never present in the story, he would never have sacrificed all you did in the game to just undo it all. It was her presence and Love that "poisoned" him into making his first hard decision which may or may not be what she wanted.

So the next game is probably going to be about change. Now, I also believe that it will be involving the search for Ormazd because he as a God is the only one that could stop Ahriman. See the Prince all cocky and what not thought he could do it. In the end he did, but it cost him what was most dear and to deal with the dread of that he had to release him proving that he was wrong. Now, at first he jokes about Ormazd and how flawed he is that he ran away and abandoned his people. He seems like yeah sure whatever, bedtime stories are neat ways to keep kids being good. It's like the idea of the Religion as the Prince put it was not true. But something about the end just made it seem like a reality that no man could defeat him and it is the power of Ormazd that is the only one who could lock him away for good.


Now I also disagree that the Prince sold his soul. He never talked face to face with Ahriman like what Elika's father did. Her father specifically stated that "it is you know what I ask". The Prince knew it was possible to resurrect Elika without ever asking the dark god of evil. He was able to skip the part where you sell your soul to the devil for a doughnut but instead just raid the Devil's bakery. He simply realized that the only way to keep in Ahriman imprisoned was the power of Ormazd that Elika possesed but gave away to the tree. Well give it back means undoing everything which he did to give her back the light. So the only way that it could trully be achieved is getting Ormazd to do it.

I do beleive that the first game is where the tradgedy occurs. That simply the way the game end. What you do after the credits is the prologue to the next game. What ubisoft should do is flesh out more of the character development, have Elika go through some sort of depression and now it is the Prince who assumes command. Elika is now just there to help the Prince out rather than being the one helping out Elika take back her kingdom. Because the Prince's actions who porves how much he cared about Elika, she has to admit there is nothing she can do without Ormazd. I believe the prince at this point would take her word for it. Unless the ultimate tradgedy is that at the end of the third game, the Prince dies so that Elika's Kingdom could be once more.

#9 Posted by daniel_beck_90 (3159 posts) -
MooseHead said:
"After just finishing the game, the ending has left me satisfied and hungry for more. For all the theories mentioned here, I really think that their next mission will be to search out Ormazd. Something that was done right about the game was that you were never really spoon fed plot elements or character development. That's something that was brilliant because it was the onus on the gamer to discover who the Prince was through speaking casually with Elika. At one point I thought I had the story figured out: It was the conversation I believe after defeating the Concubine something mentioning that the Prince wants a tower with perhaps an inscription and Elika mentions something about him being able to have it all. Pretty vague but it got me thinking ahh perhaps this is how everything somewhat gets tied together. It never mentions that he is of any nobility and his parents died fighting in someone else's war and that's the last thing he wants to do. It doesn't seem like he is any Prince but he may assume the role of Nobility later on. So it seems important that Elika is still around as the love interest because that is his pathway to assuming the proper title. So, besidse that theory of how he is aptly names Prince, the way ubisoft decided to end this game was genius. The "visions" seen by the Prince through Elika didn't make sense only until the death of Elika. The point he loses Elika when she selflessly sacrifices herslef to save the dead kingdom the Prince felt like he lost something precious for the first time. Even if he didn't want to care, he did. Carrying her body across the long hall with the credits rolling was genius to. The end of the game occures at that moment. There is the necessary closure. But it's also quite. No fanfare, no epic music to go along with the conclusion. Just the Prince slowly walking with the body of Elika to the alter. You also can't make him say anything at this point. No smart remarks, can't comment about the situation. Then all the whispering happens which is presumably all his thoughts about what had transpired and the one that stood out the most was the cryptic messages of the Concubine who said "Elika has poisoned his mind". Elika never made a comment about this and he didn't understand but what happened at the end is precisly what she was talking about. The Prince all throughout the story is a smart ass jerk who really just wants to get out of there and would never have done what he did at the end of the game if Elika never died. Actually if Elika was never present in the story, he would never have sacrificed all you did in the game to just undo it all. It was her presence and Love that "poisoned" him into making his first hard decision which may or may not be what she wanted.

So the next game is probably going to be about change. Now, I also believe that it will be involving the search for Ormazd because he as a God is the only one that could stop Ahriman. See the Prince all cocky and what not thought he could do it. In the end he did, but it cost him what was most dear and to deal with the dread of that he had to release him proving that he was wrong. Now, at first he jokes about Ormazd and how flawed he is that he ran away and abandoned his people. He seems like yeah sure whatever, bedtime stories are neat ways to keep kids being good. It's like the idea of the Religion as the Prince put it was not true. But something about the end just made it seem like a reality that no man could defeat him and it is the power of Ormazd that is the only one who could lock him away for good.


Now I also disagree that the Prince sold his soul. He never talked face to face with Ahriman like what Elika's father did. Her father specifically stated that "it is you know what I ask". The Prince knew it was possible to resurrect Elika without ever asking the dark god of evil. He was able to skip the part where you sell your soul to the devil for a doughnut but instead just raid the Devil's bakery. He simply realized that the only way to keep in Ahriman imprisoned was the power of Ormazd that Elika possesed but gave away to the tree. Well give it back means undoing everything which he did to give her back the light. So the only way that it could trully be achieved is getting Ormazd to do it.

I do beleive that the first game is where the tradgedy occurs. That simply the way the game end. What you do after the credits is the prologue to the next game. What ubisoft should do is flesh out more of the character development, have Elika go through some sort of depression and now it is the Prince who assumes command. Elika is now just there to help the Prince out rather than being the one helping out Elika take back her kingdom. Because the Prince's actions who porves how much he cared about Elika, she has to admit there is nothing she can do without Ormazd. I believe the prince at this point would take her word for it. Unless the ultimate tradgedy is that at the end of the third game, the Prince dies so that Elika's Kingdom could be once more."
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#10 Posted by mrfluke (5277 posts) -

ah dont insult the dude like that it was a great story and a good ending he merely expressed his thoughts

#11 Posted by Cirdain (3102 posts) -
Elika: The writing's speak of other fertile grounds outside the kingdom
p.s ahe might havesaid city instead of kingdom i don't remember
#12 Posted by atejas (3057 posts) -

It could be a prequel describing his adventures.
He and Elika could try to stop Ahriman
He could start serving Ahriman, and be joined by Elika.
He could start serving Ahriman, and start fighting Elika.
My money's on stopping Ahriman, with Elika.

#13 Posted by hungrynun (444 posts) -

Just finished it.

My head just exploded. I crave more of the story.

The only thing I would really want to see from a sequel besides more awesome story is Ormazd making some sort of apperance.

#14 Posted by Thrawn1 (1340 posts) -

Think about this:

The light bound to the tree saved Elika, and gave her powers. The light can only be in one place. Her father and the prince both chose to take the light out of the tree and give it to Elika. Now, Elika is aware of all this. From the beginning of the story, she must have known that she will have to sacrifice herself to restore light to the tree. 

This means:

The prince will not want to restore light to the tree, because it will kill Elika. He already made that decision. So what will be his goals/motivations for the sequel, if both he and Elika know that either the tree or Elika can live?

hmmm????

#15 Posted by Icemael (6343 posts) -
Thrawn said:

The prince will not want to restore light to the tree, because it will kill Elika. He already made that decision. So what will be his goals/motivations for the sequel, if both he and Elika know that either the tree or Elika can live?

This is exactly why he would go searching for Ormazd - the god of light should be able to seal Ahriman without having to sacrifice Elika.
#16 Posted by Thrawn1 (1340 posts) -
Icemael said:
"Thrawn said:

The prince will not want to restore light to the tree, because it will kill Elika. He already made that decision. So what will be his goals/motivations for the sequel, if both he and Elika know that either the tree or Elika can live?

This is exactly why he would go searching for Ormazd - the god of light should be able to seal Ahriman without having to sacrifice Elika."
ormazd is a douche, in my opinion.
#17 Posted by brukaoru (5079 posts) -
MooseHead said:
"Now I also disagree that the Prince sold his soul. He never talked face to face with Ahriman like what Elika's father did. Her father specifically stated that "it is you know what I ask". The Prince knew it was possible to resurrect Elika without ever asking the dark god of evil. He was able to skip the part where you sell your soul to the devil for a doughnut but instead just raid the Devil's bakery. He simply realized that the only way to keep in Ahriman imprisoned was the power of Ormazd that Elika possesed but gave away to the tree. Well give it back means undoing everything which he did to give her back the light. So the only way that it could trully be achieved is getting Ormazd to do it."
I agree, I don't think the Prince sold his soul to Ahriman either. I think the sequel will most likely be about Elika and the Prince trying to find Ormazd.

#18 Posted by gike987 (1761 posts) -

I think the story will play out roughly the same as the last trilogy. As if it was a different verson of the same legend.  The story in this game is alot like the one in SoT.
This is why:
Both games start with the prince meeting a girl that dislikes him being there just as the bad thing is about to happen.  The biggest difference hear is that the prince isn't ticked by the Vizier/father to realse the sand/corruption.  The father do it himself.   Another note is that the sand and corruption is basicaly the same thing, something evil that wash over the kingdom. Elika and the prince that dislike each other grow closer over the time of the game ending up with undoing everything to save her, just like Farah and the sand prince did.
Elika with her control over the corruption and the simlarity to Farah feel to me like a combination of the two characters Farah and Kaileena.

 There is also alot more that me think this but I  know if I write a wall of text no one will read it so I stop here.

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