Let's Talk Fable 3 (Of Course There's Spoilers)

 Well just finished the game and I couldn't agree more with how Brad felt about the ending of this game. Before I get into that, how did you guys feel about the game overall and then what you think about the end game stuff?
 
I definitely think that it is a solid Fable game despite some of the stupid UI decisions. I got used to the Sanctuary as a replacement to a standard menu even though a more streamlined menu would most likely be better, but damn I want to have an option to pull up my inventory. I do admire Fable 3's determination to force you to stick to your choices you made by autosaving automatically after your decision and only allowing the one save per hero.  Also the game is still funny as ever.
 
As for the ending, well wtf. The whole shadows are comin' to get you thing was just shoehorned. They suddenly bring this whole evil force that is never explained on where they came from and surprise you with it as soon as you land on Aurora and I don't know how they expect me to give a shit about their problems. In fact I think that the game didn't do a great job about making you care for the people in it. The only person I may have had at least acknowledged was Walter since he was there with you at the beginning. Anyways back to the shadow stuff, they brought the end game sequence on you so damn suddenly that it was bullshit. Like Brad said, they really needed to put in a message or something saying, yo make sure you're done with everything before passing this point. Last point is what the hell is that blind seer doing anyways?! Last I remember she took over the Spire and holed herself up in there and I don't remember the Spire ever being mentioned in Fable 3. 
 
OK this is getting rantish. So ya what do you guys think about the overall game and what are your thoughts about the ending? It is still a solid game with the great British humor and I will continue to rule Albion within a chicken suit.    

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Posted by Afroman269

 Well just finished the game and I couldn't agree more with how Brad felt about the ending of this game. Before I get into that, how did you guys feel about the game overall and then what you think about the end game stuff?
 
I definitely think that it is a solid Fable game despite some of the stupid UI decisions. I got used to the Sanctuary as a replacement to a standard menu even though a more streamlined menu would most likely be better, but damn I want to have an option to pull up my inventory. I do admire Fable 3's determination to force you to stick to your choices you made by autosaving automatically after your decision and only allowing the one save per hero.  Also the game is still funny as ever.
 
As for the ending, well wtf. The whole shadows are comin' to get you thing was just shoehorned. They suddenly bring this whole evil force that is never explained on where they came from and surprise you with it as soon as you land on Aurora and I don't know how they expect me to give a shit about their problems. In fact I think that the game didn't do a great job about making you care for the people in it. The only person I may have had at least acknowledged was Walter since he was there with you at the beginning. Anyways back to the shadow stuff, they brought the end game sequence on you so damn suddenly that it was bullshit. Like Brad said, they really needed to put in a message or something saying, yo make sure you're done with everything before passing this point. Last point is what the hell is that blind seer doing anyways?! Last I remember she took over the Spire and holed herself up in there and I don't remember the Spire ever being mentioned in Fable 3. 
 
OK this is getting rantish. So ya what do you guys think about the overall game and what are your thoughts about the ending? It is still a solid game with the great British humor and I will continue to rule Albion within a chicken suit.    

Edited by BunkerBuster

Do they at least bother to answer why your obviously immortal Grandma (Theresa) is such an asshole?

Posted by Afroman269
@BunkerBuster said:
" Do they at least bother to answer why your obviously immortal Aunt is such an asshole? "
Who? The blind seer?
Edited by BunkerBuster
@Afroman269:
 Ramirez, fetch me my spire.
Yea, this lady. Do they ever explain why she's immortal but her brother isn't or why she's so machiavellian.  
Hell, i'll even settle for a "I'm cold an impersonal to everyone who helps me because...."
Posted by Afroman269
@BunkerBuster: I don't really know. Maybe shes just some entity or she gained immortality from the Spire that is never mentioned ever again. You never see her in the real world and she only appears in an alternate dimension.
Posted by BunkerBuster
@Afroman269: In the first game she was a sister of the Hero and part of the bloodline of heroes. Then at the end you have to kill her or let her live. Of course by then she had already been blinded and subjugated by bandits. Now the cannon is that you kill her so when shes in Fable 2 you expect some fucking answers. They never did and now she's in the third one and if they still don't explain why she's immortal or what is it that she wants then the game has much bigger problems than deus-ex-machina shadows.
Posted by Afroman269
@BunkerBuster: Wow I actually remember what you're talking about. I completely forgot about the sister in the first game. She obviously has to be some entity, ghost, or whatever bullshit because of the time lapse between the first and second game, but then again I don't really care at this point.
Posted by BunkerBuster
@Afroman269 said:
She obviously has to be some entity, ghost, or whatever bullshit because of the time lapse between the first and second game, but then again I don't really care at this point. "
 That sounds about right.
Posted by canucks23

I was really into the game for the most part, and felt like it was a solid fable game... Until i got to the shadow part after taking the boats. That really soured the rest of the game for me, really wasn't into any of that stuff at all.

Posted by Afroman269
@canucks23: Same here. I fully understand now on how Brad doesn't feel like returning to this game because the whole excitement of overthrowing the king and becoming the new one is just gone. Now that I know that there are stupid shadows coming to invade, I no longer have fun and I dread when I have to fight those stupid things again. They should have left the shadow stuff in Aurora and flesh them out in the next game at least.
Posted by EnchantedEcho

I don't see why everyone has such a problem with the last few hours of the game, are you just upset because the decisions you made didn't result in the way that you wanted?  
I felt that the combat was significantly harder than the second game (still fairly easy when compared to other titles) and I enjoyed the story much more than Fable 2. I still believe that Fable 1 is the best of the three but, I think that this was a much better game than Fable 2, in many ways.

Posted by Afroman269
@EnchantedEcho: I knew what I was doing and what outcome to basically expect. They should have at least put in a message saying point of no return so you know if you're ready to continue. My problem with the story is that the shadow stuff is just shoehorned into the game. This was never mentioned anywhere before and then BOOM oh noes the darkness is coming to get you.
Posted by EnchantedEcho
@Afroman269: The complaint about the lack of the no point of return message is valid but, I dunno the shadow stuff didn't particularly stand out to me as a weak point, I enjoyed the change of pace and tone when I first entered that cave.  
 
The reason I enjoyed the last part of the game where you play King/Queen is because the decisions that you were making actually had a meaningful impact and like real life, there is good and bad things that come from our decisions. I liked that I had to stop and think about all of the propositions that were presented to me would decrease Albion's chance for survival.  
 
Sure, it's kinda depressing that my world has a population close to zero but, I will play through the game again with an evil character (and maybe make sure that I have about 10 Million before I progress to the king/queen part) and see how my world ends up.
Posted by ryanwho

This is just speculation, but maybe originally you spent half the game overthrowing the king and the other half as the king, but some development shiz went down and the last half of the game was chopped off. Because if it were half the whole game, it would make sense to start a new story as you would have time to conclude it properly.

Posted by Afroman269
@ryanwho: I wouldn't be surprised if the game originally had bigger plans for when you became king. It felt like it had more potential than simply picking between two options on what to do and then the occasional mission to find treasure. That whole last part just feels rushed.
Posted by MrMoses717

about the  point of no return warning. It wasn't an in your face message but before you left to board the boat walter or ben said. "this is it you might wanna finish some things and say goodbye to your family. were gonna be gone for a long time"

Posted by DaManGB

Seriously the ending pissed me off, there's hardly anybody left. I didn't want to be a tyrant so to be a good leader I have to sacrifice all of my people?

Edited by Afroman269
@MrMoses717 I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the actual ending sequence of the game. You have so many days left before the invasion and there is never any mention that hey after this scene you're going to get attacked. It just happens and you can't do anything about it.
Posted by PoppaKyle

Spoilers.. 
 
I actually like the ending. It did feel a bit sprung though. The best part to me was the realization that Logan wasn't a terrible King.

Posted by Tyashki
@PoppaKyle said:
"The best part to me was the realization that Logan wasn't a terrible King. "
Yes he was. He only left me 400,000 gold! For all the bad stuff he did he could have at least left me a decent pile of gold. XD 
 
Seriously though, I liked how it didn't hold your hand at the end. If you wanted to go a little further along before preparing the risk was yours to take.
Posted by Afroman269
@Tyashki: I wondering on how a king who acted like such a tyrant would only manage to rack up that much coin and I disagree about the ending. It wouldn't be hand holding to say what's up. They give you so many days left that go down by some random number, they could have at least said that this is your last bit of free time.
Edited by Cornman89

Haven't beaten the game yet but I can definitely see where it's going. I'm glad I read Scooter from 1up's review, so that I knew how the outcome is literally tied to your bankroll (but then, the "projected casualties" loading screen probably would've clued me in pretty quick), and where the actual point of no return is.
 
So far I am a bit disappointed in how binary the king stuff is in the 2nd half. Being a leader of nations can't possibly be as simple as choosing between a glowing button and a flaming button. The upside is that I am still finding myself betraying my morals (I basically turned Aurora into a colony, even though I'm a good guy), but it could've been done way better. So I still think it kinda works as intended, but it does so in spite of itself.
 
No problems whatsoever with the UI, though. It's probably as quick as, say, the Pip-Boy from FO3, just a different presentation. I guess your mileage may vary.

Posted by MikeyZeroG
@Afroman269 said:
" @ryanwho: I wouldn't be surprised if the game originally had bigger plans for when you became king. It felt like it had more potential than simply picking between two options on what to do and then the occasional mission to find treasure. That whole last part just feels rushed. "
I agree. It feels as if the game had much larger scope, and then significant aspects were chopped off. For example, for all their talk of using touch, it just amounts to dragging people along on a couple of missions. IMO, that's not exactly an innovative game mechanic.  
 
I was able to save a good portion of people by making all good decisions except for two: I established the brothel, and I kept the money for the diamond. I used that money to buy up all the shops and the expensive properties (donating the rest back to the treasury), and then I left the game on overnight to accumulate cash. I had intended to do this for another night before the ending, but before I knew it, I was in ending sequence. 
Posted by HatKing

Well I took my time with the game, doing all the quests I could and buying a ton of property, not to mention doing plenty of exploring on my own.  By the end of the game I had enough gold to be a good leader AND save the kingdom.  Though it almost felt anticlimactic that they were building up this huge threat and it ended up not being a big deal at all. lol...   
  
My complaints: 
 1) Dog breeds- I was under the impression that there would be dog breeds you could buy and choose from in the game, but it seems these are only available through pre-order bonuses and other stuff.  This was a missed opportunity for more customization. 
 
2) Property management- It is FAR better than it was in Fable 2, but still a pain in the ass.  I do not like clicking on each individual property every couple hours to repair it.  It's a giant headache and just makes me want to say "fuck it" and let the kingdom fall into disrepair. 
 
3) No post story fun- Fable 2, and I think even Fable, had post-story quests; quests that would unlock only after having finished the story.  This gave you a reason to explore the kingdom and see how your choices affected things.  This game seems like it would benefit even more from that.  But no.  What reason do I have to play that character anymore?  I could sit there and manage properties or wrap up the scavenger hunt quests... but it seems pointless considering that money and experience would go to a character with nothing else to do.  This is by far the biggest disappointment in the game for me.  I would love to continue my character.  I only hope they come out with a DLC pack that has a bunch of side quests in it... though looking at the Fable 2 DLC that doesn't seem likely.
Edited by Sedasys

I really felt like the ending just came about too early. The rest of the game was really good, but the ending really sucked because I was so unprepared. I've almost completed it again now and I've got more than enough money to save all the people and be a good king.
 
Edit: Just completed it again. Didn't get knocked out so I got that achievement. Did the final boss in 1 minute 5 seconds.

Posted by Afroman269
@MikeyZeroG: Not so sure on how much they could of fleshed out on the hand holding mechanic. My guess is that it's just one of this things that Molyneux managed to talk up like how amazing the fucking dog will be in Fable 2 but only ends being a glorified treasure detector. 
Posted by yoshimitz707
@BunkerBuster In the old kingdom, the Archons also had immortality due to their extremely powerful Will abilities. That's probably the same reason Theresa is still alive.
Posted by yoshimitz707
@Afroman269 I just assumed that the shadows and the Crawler came from the Void. Makes sense to me.
Posted by JeanLuc

Overall I like the game as much as I liked Fable 2. And I fucking love Fable 2! Seriously this was a great game. 
I agree that the ending seemed kind of weak but I still liked it. I never had the problem that Brad had but I know what he's talking about and agree that it sucks. I remember thinking to myself at that part "good thing I'm already prepared or else I'd be fucked!". 
  
I loved the part when you go to  Aurora. It was a great change of pace and very well done. I seriously got freaked when going though  that cave. 
I also found Fable 3 to be really funny. All the descriptions for the weapons, clothing, quests, and even achievements were very funny and well done.

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Edited by damswedon
@DaManGB:  I feel like I'm the only one that listened to the butler at the end of the game, he says repeatedly that if you want to be good your going to have to put your own money in the treasury. 

It feels quite blatantly that there is going to be one more game set in this period, Theresa has now almost caused the destruction of Albion twice now; 
  • She was the one who told Lucien that the Spire would resurrect his wife and daughter.
  • She convinced Logan to turn his back on  Aurora.
Never mind that she was the one who convinced Rose to buy the Music Box at the start of 2. 
 
The only problem I have with the game is that my queen looks like Queen Elizabeth I with how pale she is. 
So next game set in Edwardian Era Albion?
Posted by septim

I completely agree with the OP (and by extension Brad).
 
Just as I was starting to really enjoy the game... WHAM it just fucking ends.
 
The stuff with Reaver was awesome. Stephen Fry's voice gives my an ear boner.

Posted by veXedbulldog
@Afroman269: If the yearlong countdown actually felt like a yearlong experience, I would have been happier.  I'm pissed off because I feel like the abrupt jump to the endgame was an artificial way to make your decisions up to that point more significant.  There's no sense in how your royal decision days are spaced at all.  Lionhead needs to understand the difference between "impending" and "instantaneous."  I don't know if I feel like heading back to this world, but I'll hang on to the game for awhile to see what the DLC manages to address.  
Edited by Afroman269
@veXedbulldog:  I agree. The king section just felt lacking and needed something more to it than just making black and white decisions also I can see why people would get turned off on revisiting the game. The game was really fun up to the point when the stupid dark crap is introduced. I liked it better when the game was about a revolution, not some stupid dark genocide thing. The way this game is being marketed, I have a feeling a lot of people will be pissed off by the last 1/3 of this game. 
 
@yoshimitz707: The void?
Posted by yoshimitz707
Posted by Afroman269
@yoshimitz707 said:
" @Afroman269: The void. "
Expecting people to remember something from the first Fable is sorta ridiculous, either way the darkness was never properly explained, so any guess could be wrong.
Posted by ihaterich
@Afroman269:
I agree with you. I was making all the good moral decisions, and racking up money in real estate, keeping all my gold invested so at the end of the year I would have enough to cover the deficit and raise the army, but without any warning suddenly it's been a year, and I'm completely screwed. I don't even know if I'll bother finishing it now. What a shit game.
Posted by MrMoses717

i played smart the whole game and didn't use guides and all. i invested in real estate early and took my time. i had about 10 mil of my own money to put in the treasury b4 the attack saved everyone!!!

Edited by SuperBuster

You guys may not care but I'm going to create a bullet-point list of the pros and cons of Fable III because it will make me feel better. 
Pros:

  • Awesome voice acting. I remember trying on different clothing just to see what John Cleese had to say about them.
  • Great humor.
  • Missions were interesting.
  • Decisions as king had lasting effects and forced "good" players to choose between keeping promises or protecting peoples' lives.
  • Combat can be fun and flashy.
Cons:
  • No depth in any part of the game.
  • When you boil them down, all the missions were "go there, kill that" missions, "Get from point A to point B and kill everything on the way" or worse: fetch and courier missions.
  • King's decisions lacked variety, they were either good, bad, or neutral.
  • Being king hardly changed anything. You couldn't order anyone to do anything outside of the pre-set decisions mentioned before. Like for instance, this one guard pissed me off and I wanted to fire him, a relatively easy thing to do as a real king but Fable III didn't give you such an ability. Also, I wanted to reverse some of the decisions I made earlier but since I can only make decisions when they are presented to me I couldn't. I was basically a Hero who happened to to wear a crown.
  • Ending was short, way too short and way too sudden.
  • Combat still lacks any sort of depth and has some nasty balancing issues, spell-weaving was interesting but I would have chose either of the two previous fables' magic systems over this one.
  • No loot. What's the point of all these chests and dig spots if all you ever get from them are inconsequential amounts of money, potions, or common gems? Not to mention that the only actual equipment in the game were weapons and there were literally only four types of them and maybe 30 weapons in total.
  • Being good gave me this feminine butterfly pattern on my character's face and make-up only made him look more feminine.
  • Almost every girl in Albion is ugly, disgustingly drunk, or old.
  • Managing property became way too tedious as your real-estate empire starts to expand. I ended up selling all my houses after the end because they just weren't worth the time I spent repairing each and every one of them every few hours.
  • No mini-map.
  • Yet again, no dragons. I've been hearing about dragons since the first Fable yet we don't even get to see a dragon skeleton through-out the Fable franchise despite them being mentioned over and over again in books, by people and in descriptions.
 
I actually like the shadow sequences near the end, they reminded me of the awesome Scarecrow sequences in Batman: AA. Also, the void didn't completely come out of nowhere, they were present in the first Fable and when Theresa tells you to open the music box to trick you Logan says something along the lines of "Only I know what's coming, Albion will bow to my will or perish." Learning of the impending doom of the void sheds light on Logan's words and actions.
 
Over-all, I feel that with each iteration of Fable  Lionhead keeps adding new things that no one asked for while refusing to fix simple problems that have plagued Fable since the beginning. What we end up with is a game with a lot of breadth, no depth, and the same old problems.
Posted by Afroman269
@SuperBuster: I agree with pretty much all your points but I don't remember any mention of the shadow originating from the void. Also the part with Logan talking about Albion was a pretty good speech on what was to come. My problem is just that this game was marketed completely different. You go in thinking about just leading a revolution and then trying to rule Albion yourself. In the end it just turns out to be a timer till some bogus evil invasion and making polarized decisions. The royalty part had so much potential which is why I think there was more to that game that never made it into the final version.
Posted by SuperBuster
@Afroman269: I doubt you're the only one to not remember the void and it was really Lionhead's fault for not making it more clear however, I don't think that the void was "bogus." The void gave all of the decisions you made as ruler more depth and pressure, made Logan an interesting character and the sequences involving the crawler were superb except for the very short and sudden ending. I only saw a few ads for Fable III before its release so I wasn't expecting the same things you were expecting but I still agree with you on the ruling point. As I said in one of my points, being the king felt hollow, you could only make the decisions that the script allowed you and even then the "king time" was very short, shallow, and felt rushed.
Posted by Vinny_Says
@Afroman269: If fable had kinect support and it would record you're voice for 30 seconds after each decision....I would of totally been like: "yo ass got played twice, biatch!!" to the aurora lady...
Posted by Afroman269
@blacklabeldomm: I like the way you think. I approve lol.
Posted by ___pocalypse

So I just accidentally finished the game!  
 
I liked it, and I personally feel like there's a lot of replay value in it, but I definitely agree that the ending was a little too abrupt. I was pretty well set up to get money ready for the final attack, and then suddenly it was fight time!  I could have done with a stronger final battle, but I liked the elements it was made up of. I liked that it wrapped up your decisions in the end with each individual group leader, but it didn't feel like I had earned that ending yet.
 
It has the feeling that there was supposed to be much more to the game, and they ended up having to work with what they had. Lionhead sticks pretty close to release dates, so maybe there's some pressure behind them getting their games out right then and there, even if there's more to do.  
 
All in all, I liked it a lot and I'll continue playing it until I get sick of it. I think it's a good game, and I think it's better than Fable II. I hope to see some fun DLC or more games like it in the future, as long as they're actually finished instead of a little rushed :P

Posted by JTVIII

Seems to be a very polarizing game, which makes me hesitant to even start it. 
 
But of course, the almighty Brad has spoken. 
 
 
I respect his opinion.
Posted by Afroman269
@JTVIII: You'll probably enjoy it quite a bit if you liked the previous games, at least up until the part where you leave for the new continent. Leaving for the new continent till the end of the game is where people are split on it.