This is a rant blog, i guess....
*PS this is for people who have played Battlefield 2. If you haven't, I don't think you will relate
*PPS the fact that the game is in alpha stage doesn't mean it's gonna be 110% different when it's out. Alpha is the second step towards the golden stage, and this second step is messed up
*PPPS i'm not asking for realism or hardcore mode. those aren't the only solutions

Introducion: That player shot at a far away triangle, the result was that he killed another player. Does that sound right to you? think about that for 5 seconds, then proceed.

Now look at this new Battlefield 3 trailer:

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So for those who were duped by DICE's promising interviews, telling us that Battlefield 3 is an actual sequel to Battlefield 2, using things like "Jets, big maps and prone!!1!!111!" to fool us, this blog is to inform you that you were in fact duped.

This is a very normal business step by EA, i'm not saying it's bizarre, i'm just very saddened by the fact that it eventually happened: They found that their PC-based content-rich skill-demanding not-so-rewarding games Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142 didn't sell well, whereas their console spin-off Bad Company 2 made serious bank, so instead of milking the Bad Company series with BC3 in two years time, they were too eager and corrupted Battlefield 3 in order to cash in on people's hopes by the end of this year.

This game has nothing in common with Battlefield 2. only the fact that the conquest maps support 64 players.. that's it.

• Just like BC2 and unlike BF2, there is no Commo Rose. You can't use pre-recorded commands to communicate with your team mates efficiently. We're going to be mute just like in BC2

2000+ post on the official forums protesting lack of Commo Rose

Here's a mock-up by a fan. tell me you dont love it:

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• Like BC2 and unlike BF2, the ridiculously outrageous 3D spotting is back. You point at the enemy's base, tap the social button, see triangles light up, shoot at the triangles and get kills. You don't have to see the person to kill them. That is called "aim assist". the fact that you can see the triangle through walls and rocks and trees, is called "wallhacking". DICE solved the problem of cheats and hackers: they implemented that shit into their game.

3 hot threads protesting 3D Spotting: First, Second, Third.

• Not only that, but squad leaders get a huge star stuffed NEXT to the spotting triangle on top of their heads, making people think twice before they start a squad.
• The damage models are ridiculous. 3 taps and you're dead. If you have a triangle on your head, you're automatically doomed.
• Like BC2 and unlike BF2, teamwork stats are no-where to be seen. The scoreboard shows this: K, D, Score. the end-of-round stats consist of four screens listing your best kills and killstreaks.. yes, i said killstreaks in a Battlefield game
• There doesn't seem to be any chain of command whatsoever. The squad leader position appears to do literally nothing. there is no commo rose to communicate, no giving orders, nothing.
• Like BC2 and unlike BF2, health regeneration is back. it takes 15 seconds to kick in, but once it does it goes all the way up rapidly. Once again, medics are only needed when someone dies
• A new awesome feature: Vehicle health regeneration. 'nuff said.
• Like BC2 and unlike BF2, there's still an aimbot knife in the game. All you have to do is tap the knife button when you're behind someone, and you're 100% guaranteed to hit them
• The biggest emphasis of the Lead Designer of the game's multiplayer component, is the gunz.

There's already speculations that the conquest maps are gonna be linear and chokepoint-based (no matter how big they are), and that jets and helos will have health regeneration as well.

And so, it is clear that the huge bank that Bad Company 2 made, is totally blinding DICE from having any sense of principle and they're pretty much creating Bad Company 2 under a bigger better name.

They found that when they created games that had honest clean gameplay that encouraged teamwork, they didn't make enough money. Whereas when they created a game with triangles that are visible through walls and tell you where to shoot, they made money.

Yes i'll be buying the game, and yes i'm very excited for it, but the message i'm trying to convey here is that this game is not Battlefield 3.

If you think this is a typical "Bf3 is Bc3 !!" thread, give me a counter argument.

lol

It seems like there's a lot you don't like about this game, and yet you're still buying it? I don't understand that. I'm a huge Ninja Gaiden fan, but when I saw some gameplay footage of Ninja Gaiden 3, I knew I wouldn't be buying it because it wasn't Ninja Gaiden anymore. If I were you, I would not be buying Battlefield 3.

this is what hype does to people

Been playing Battlefield since the demo of BF1942 was released.

I've had more fun in BC2 than I've had in a long time with Battlefield. BF2 had a lot of amazing things, but I felt it lacked personality. I stuck with BF1942.

If BF3 is simply BF2s larger scope, with the improvements (yes, BC2 IMPROVED the Battlefield formula) that BC2 provided, then I'm sold.

I really liked Battlefield 2 and I'm not particularly bothered by any of this, I think the game looks awesome and I don't expect them to totally ignore their post-Battlefield 2 successes to please some Battlefield 2 fans.

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

Yes i'll be buying the game, and yes i'm very excited for it, but the message i'm trying to convey here is that this game is not Battlefield 3.

Also, it is actually Battlefield 3, no matter how much you deny it ; )

The 3D spotting from BC2 is temporary while they work out another system, which it seems everybody but you knew :<

Sounds like you are one of those luddites that wanted a next gen port of BF2. Sorry that DICE thinks that they can make some improvements by not making the game the same as BF2.

I've never played Battlefield 2, and I love BC2, but I can see why you would get pissed about this. Kind of sucky.

It seems like there's a lot you don't like about this game, and yet you're still buying it? I don't understand that. I'm a huge Ninja Gaiden fan, but when I saw some gameplay footage of Ninja Gaiden 3, I knew I wouldn't be buying it because it wasn't Ninja Gaiden anymore. If I were you, I would not be buying Battlefield 3.

Been playing Battlefield since the demo of BF1942 was released.

I've had more fun in BC2 than I've had in a long time with Battlefield. BF2 had a lot of amazing things, but I felt it lacked personality. I stuck with BF1942.

If BF3 is simply BF2s larger scope, with the improvements (yes, BC2 IMPROVED the Battlefield formula) that BC2 provided, then I'm sold.

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

Yes i'll be buying the game, and yes i'm very excited for it, but the message i'm trying to convey here is that this game is not Battlefield 3.

Also, it is actually Battlefield 3, no matter how much you deny it ; )

Dammit you're making me second guess buying a beastly rig for this game. 60 bucks for the 360 version does sound a hell of a lot cheaper.

You're probably going to get a lot of hate for your post, but I can appreciate some of your points.  I loved BF2, but I also loved BC2, and I fully expect BF3 to be incredible.

Blah Blah Blah, you don't like innovation, you want Battlefield 2 but with better graphics, etc etc.

Whatever. Go play BF2. It's one of the best multiplayer games of all time. If you just want them to make it again without instituting any of the stuff they've done since then, you should just go play it.

@Ahmad_Metallic:

Exactly because of the name on the box ; )

Good thing it's not like BF2. I couldn't stand that game longer than 2 hours. Mod your BF2 if you want some pretty graphics. I don't want an old game with new look, I want a modern game. 
 
The Bad Company series were the better games.

Seems like your main gripe is that they still have the spotting system in. Everything else is relatively minor, but you consistantly bring it all back to hurp durp wallhax.

The 3D spotting from BC2 is temporary while they work out another system, which it seems everybody but you knew :<

Sounds like you are one of those luddites that wanted a next gen port of BF2. Sorry that DICE thinks that they can make some improvements by not making the game the same as BF2.

FUCK YOU! I HOPE YOU DIE! BAD COMPANY SUX AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGH
 
Really, @Ahmad_Metallic, take a chill pill.

I loved BF2, but I also loved BC2, and I fully expect BF3 to be incredible.

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

If you think this is a typical "Bf3 is Bc3 !!" thread, give me a counter argument.

Okay.

What were you really expecting? As much as I love Battlefield 2, that game was janky and fucked up as shit and many elements of it never really worked right, not to mention that it's a seven-year-old game at this point so of course they're going to base things off of Bad Company 2, especially the good elements (like spotting, which is a great feature, albeit one that could maybe use a more stringent distance cap). This is like complaining that Halo Reach feels like a game that came after Halo 3 rather than the first game. Not to mention that many of your complaints have almost nothing to do with Battlefield 3 as a game itself and come across as crybaby "they changed it, now it sucks" whining. Oh no, now there's autoheal if you can hold on. Not only is 15 seconds a pretty long window to be at low health, but, call me crazy, I played a ton of medic in BC2 and never felt like I was useless unless reviving. I'll give you that some of it sounds like some missteps (calling out squad leaders with spotting is fine by me; not giving them any extra command powers, however, is dumb), but could this blog be any more hang-wringing and whiny? I think not.

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

If you think this is a typical "Bf3 is Bc3 !!" thread, give me a counter argument.

Okay.

What were you really expecting? As much as I love Battlefield 2, that game was janky and fucked up as shit and many elements of it never really worked right, not to mention that it's a seven-year-old game at this point so of course they're going to base things off of Bad Company 2, especially the good elements (like spotting, which is a great feature, albeit one that could maybe use a more stringent distance cap). This is like complaining that Halo Reach feels like a game that came after Halo 3 rather than the first game. Not to mention that many of your complaints have almost nothing to do with Battlefield 3 as a game itself and come across as crybaby "they changed it, now it sucks" whining. Oh no, now there's autoheal if you can hold on. Not only is 15 seconds a pretty long window to be at low health, but, call me crazy, I played a ton of medic in BC2 and never felt like I was useless unless reviving. I'll give you that some of it sounds like some missteps (calling out squad leaders with spotting is fine by me; not giving them any extra command powers, however, is dumb), but could this blog be any more hang-wringing and whiny? I think not.

I'm gonna try to address the bullet points. And yes, I've played a good amount of Battlefield 2 in my time.

Just like BC2 and unlike BF2, there is no Commo Rose. You can't use pre-recorded commands to communicate with your team mates efficiently. We're going to be mute just like in BC2

Voice chat?

Like BC2 and unlike BF2, the ridiculously outrageous 3D spotting is back. You point at the enemy's base, tap the social button, see triangles light up, shoot at the triangles and get kills. You don't have to see the person to kill them. That is called "aim assist". the fact that you can see the triangle through walls and rocks and trees, is called "wallhacking". DICE solved the problem of cheats and hackers: they implemented that shit into their game.

I feel that this is designed to make the game more accessible, and it also allows people to just point out enemy locations to teammates. They are big maps, after all.

Not only that, but squad leaders get a huge star stuffed NEXT to the spotting triangle on top of their heads, making people think twice before they start a squad.

I don't know anything about this

The damage models are ridiculous. 3 taps and you're dead. If you have a triangle on your head, you're automatically doomed.

Did they specifically say that it would only take "3 taps" to get a kill?

Like BC2 and unlike BF2, teamwork stats are no-where to be seen. The scoreboard shows this: K, D, Score. the end-of-round stats consist of four screens listing your best kills and killstreaks.. yes, i said killstreaks in a Battlefield game

This doesn't seem like a very big issue. I also haven't heard of anything about killstreaks.

There doesn't seem to be any chain of command whatsoever. The squad leader position appears to do literally nothing. there is no commo rose to communicate, no giving orders, nothing.

Again, voice chat?

Like BC2 and unlike BF2, health regeneration is back. it takes 15 seconds to kick in, but once it does it goes all the way up rapidly. Once again, medics are only needed when someone dies

Medics in BC2 were useful for more than just reviving. The health kits drastically speed up the regeneration. 15 seconds is a long time when you're taking fire.

A new awesome feature: Vehicle health generation. 'nuff said.

If I recall, it only regenerates a small amount. But still, I think that's pretty dumb.

Like BC2 and unlike BF2, there's still an aimbot knife in the game. All you have to do is tap the knife button when you're behind someone, and you're 100% guaranteed to hit them

The knife in BC2 is completely 100% broken. You are never guaranteed a knife kill in BC2 because of how terribly implemented it is. If the knifing in Battlefield 3 is anything like BC2, that will be annoying.

The biggest emphasis of the Lead Designer of the game's multiplayer component, is the gunz.

Not sure why this is a complaint.

Half of your complaints just sound like modernizing, but some are certainly valid (mainly regenerating vehicles). It seems to be a mix of Bad Company and old-school Battlefield, which sounds pretty damn good to me.

I think your prolbme its the fact that you cant get over BF2. No mater how much you bitch and moan the times are a changing.

@Rolyatkcinmai said:

Blah Blah Blah, you don't like innovation, you want Battlefield 2 but with better graphics, etc etc.

Whatever. Go play BF2. It's one of the best multiplayer games of all time. If you just want them to make it again without instituting any of the stuff they've done since then, you should just go play it.

I would have to agree.

Regenerating vehicles seems kinda dumb.

 If you think this is a typical "Bf3 is Bc3 !!" thread, give me a counter argument.

If they can some how work in 
 
 
  

@Vegsen said:

Regenerating vehicles seems kinda dumb.

*Is the only person in the world who thinks that sounds like a neat feature, and that it's just as "dumb" as regenerating health* D:

Threads like these are just completely destined to turn into posts filled with arguments and disagreements. What I mean is, you don't even try to offer any kind of balanced argument. You just spew hate and derpy images. Half of the points you make are so small. You haven't even played the game. Yet you complain about things such as how fast an enemy dies. Vehicle and player regen. 15 seconds is a long time to wait, a really long time. In a gun fight you aren't going to have 15 seconds.. sure whatever it stops you NEEDING a medic. Also vehicle regen is very little and you still 100% need engineers to repair. The spotting system will definately get tweaks from BC2's it's still in testing. The knife will kill in one from behind yes, big deal? I'm surprised everytime someone believes that DICE where going to recreate BF2 in a frostbite engine. It is essential that they modernize the game for it to be a success finacially and that means taking elements from BC2. Matter of fact is, you are just going to have to deal with it or play CoD.

Good thing it's not like BF2. I couldn't stand that game longer than 2 hours. Mod your BF2 if you want some pretty graphics. I don't want an old game with new look, I want a modern game.   The Bad Company series were the better games.

Also, as someone who played the shit out of BF2 and BC2

BC2 > BF2.

@Sogeman said:

Good thing it's not like BF2. I couldn't stand that game longer than 2 hours. Mod your BF2 if you want some pretty graphics. I don't want an old game with new look, I want a modern game.   The Bad Company series were the better games.

@RiotBananas said:

Also, as someone who played the shit out of BF2 and BC2

BC2 > BF2.

I respect your opinions, maybe you can respond to my bulletpoints and show me how BC2 was in fact "better" ?  

@Ahmad_Metallic: Fine...

• Commo Rose gone: never really found it all that helpful in BF2, and I thought BC2 did a good job with the context sensitive socialize button
• 3D Spotting: I never found 3D spotting to be any kind of "win button" or anything like that, its not like you don't have to aim to kill the people. I found it to be something that greatly enhanced teamwork by alerting allies to the location of enemies
• Star on leaders: Doesn't really seem to make that much difference seeing as as far as I know squad leaders aren't extra powerful or anything
• Damage models: can't speak to them as I haven't played the game
• Teamwork stats: this is something that actually bugs me too, but for some reason all anyone seems to care about on a scoreboard is the k:d, even in a game like BF where is mostly meaningless
• Chain of command: Doesn't really bug me, seeing as you would need to be playing with either friends or a clan to get that stuff to stick anyways. MAG tried the chain of command thing and it didn't work out too well.
• Health regen: Welcome to FPS design since COD4 pal. And medics ARE still useful for healing because medkits boost health regen and kick it in instantly rather than 15 seconds later. 15 seconds might not SOUND like a long time, but in a game like this every second counts
• Vehicle health: are you saying that vehicles regen health now? If so, I'd really have to see that in action before I could make a judgment call there.
• Aimbot knife: I prefer a knife in games that kills instantly in realistic situations. If you get snuck up on by a guy with a knife, what difference does it make whether he does a kill animation or not? You were dead either way.
• Emphasis on guns: Don't know if you know this, but people like cool guns in first person shooters usually.

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

@iAmJohnsaid:

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

If you think this is a typical "Bf3 is Bc3 !!" thread, give me a counter argument.

Okay.

What were you really expecting? As much as I love Battlefield 2, that game was janky and fucked up as shit and many elements of it never really worked right, not to mention that it's a seven-year-old game at this point so of course they're going to base things off of Bad Company 2, especially the good elements (like spotting, which is a great feature, albeit one that could maybe use a more stringent distance cap). This is like complaining that Halo Reach feels like a game that came after Halo 3 rather than the first game. Not to mention that many of your complaints have almost nothing to do with Battlefield 3 as a game itself and come across as crybaby "they changed it, now it sucks" whining. Oh no, now there's autoheal if you can hold on. Not only is 15 seconds a pretty long window to be at low health, but, call me crazy, I played a ton of medic in BC2 and never felt like I was useless unless reviving. I'll give you that some of it sounds like some missteps (calling out squad leaders with spotting is fine by me; not giving them any extra command powers, however, is dumb), but could this blog be any more hang-wringing and whiny? I think not.

I don't want BF2 remade. Fuck that, whats great about it?
I want a new game, but one that follows in BF2's footsteps, even SLIGHTLY. The teamwork feel of BF2, the need to be smart and skillful to kill, the challenge, the extreme and inevitable need for every kit equally (medic is not very needed when your health can regenerate. It only is during an intense firefight)
But this? this is too different, it's almost nothing like the game it's supposed to be a sequel to. How is that normal? how does that not contradict with the game's title?

"If you think this is a typical "Bf3 is Bc3 !!" thread, give me a counter argument." ???????? You are basically proclaiming that it is not a succesor to BF2 and you're arguments all revolve around it taking elements from BC2. Man up, and admit you don't like BC2 and you think this'll just be BC3 with 64 players and more vehicles. We all know thats what you are thinking. Ain't no point trying to bluff your way through it.

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

Where do you see swear words or rage?

Made me lol.

Your entire post is a rage dude.

This is funny.

Lol regenerating tanks. Instantly made me think of those zombie tanks in Devil May Cry 2.

Battlefield 3 is shaping up to not be the kind of game you want, therefore it is a total joke?

If you're going to bother writing up a detailed blog post, don't start it with an inflammatory and nonsensical title.

@Donos said:

Battlefield 3 is shaping up to not be the kind of game you want to play, therefore it is a total joke?

If you're going to bother writing up a detailed blog post, don't start it with an inflammatory and nonsensical title.

+1 If this where to sum up some pros and cons, in a more readable format it would be much more acceptable. All this thread is, is 10 things I hate about BF3.

Vehicle health generation major fail I hope they don't leave that shit in the game that's the most retarded idea ever can you imagine jet camping dear fucking lord.

Vehicle health generation major fail I hope they don't leave that shit in the game that's the most retarded idea ever can you imagine jet camping dear fucking lord.

You're still young. Someday everything will be a disappointment. Then your heart will be cold and you won't feel anything. Accept how games are changing or don't play them. Pre-order today! Honestly, can you name anything you like about Battlefield 3?

Still there's no point to it at all I would be embarrassed to put that in my game.

@Ahmad_Metallic said:

@RaikohBlade: I'm afraid i have low tolerance for outdated games..

If they take out all of the innovation that they have had with the bad company games you are going to get exactly that, a game that is outdated out of the gate.

Half of your complaints just sound like modernizing, but some are certainly valid (mainly regenerating vehicles). It seems to be a mix of Bad Company and old-school Battlefield, which sounds pretty damn good to me.

You haven't even played the game. Yet you complain about things such as how fast an enemy dies. Vehicle and player regen. 15 seconds is a long time to wait, a really long time. In a gun fight you aren't going to have 15 seconds.. sure whatever it stops you NEEDING a medic. Also vehicle regen is very little and you still 100% need engineers to repair. The spotting system will definately get tweaks from BC2's it's still in testing. 

It is essential that they modernize the game for it to be a success finacially and that means taking elements from BC2. 

@The_Nubster said:

@JEC03 said:

Vehicle health generation major fail I hope they don't leave that shit in the game that's the most retarded idea ever can you imagine jet camping dear fucking lord.

It's mild regeneration so you're not flying around at 1 health. You still need an engineer to get back to full.

How minor are we talking about here (is it like BC2's health regen where it wouldn't bring you back to full?), and with what kind of window? I could see how maybe bumping you up to 10% health if you're at under that for ten seconds or so (or as a reward for getting a kill) could be a pretty okay equalizer, but there's definitely a fine line here and a reason to possibly be upset.

The squad mechanics and regenerating health are bummers, but otherwise I don't see the big deal. As someone who played and loved both 2142 and BC2, I'd say I actually (marginally) prefer BC2. Besides, you want no spotting and no health regeneration? Play hardcore mode. SImple.