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Why I am unreasonably angry at the response to the walking dead

This is not a blog about how the walking dead sucks, or even how the walking dead is awesome, so you people who want to argue one or the other (you know who you are) should skedaddle.

ANYWAY.

I like the game. I do! i'm not even going to make the argument that it's not a game because if I did I would be a real big hypocrite (I have two visual novels on my list, Cinders and Analogue: A Hate Story, as well as Persona 4 Arena which the reason I liked it was not the fighting part).

I think the reason I am not enamored with it so much is I cry at too many video games already for it to be too effective (GAMES I CRIED AT THIS YEAR: THE WALKING DEAD, DEVIL SURVIVOR 2, PERSONA 4 ARENA, FINAL FANTASY 13-2, I KINDA CRIED AT SLEEPING DOGS, MAYBE BINARY DOMAIN I CAN'T REMEMBER) so it's like, yeah a video game made me cry, big deal (am I over emotional? ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES). and the puzzles and shooting are boring; I'd say gameplay but some people will get all up in my grill about how dialogue choices are gameplay and blah blah blah *virtual raspberry*.

but I digress! even if I thought it was my game of the year (which it is not, Crusader Kings 2 is, because it is the ur game, the game that blends amazing gameplay, amazing self supplied story [think the sims but with more incest] and is more open than any other game wishes it could be), the response would still bum me out. The reason being is that games have been doing the shit that TWD has been doing for a while now, but THIS is the game that has people basically ignoring gameplay to prop up a game because of it's story. I've been triumphing those games for YEARS, and all of the sudden THIS is the game.

Again, I don't want people explaining why they were so enamored with the TWD aside from others because I had a nice chat with who explained it well enough.

So here are games that do what TWD did either almost as well, as well, or better;

GAMES THAT ARE ULTRA DEPRESSING: Nier, Witcher 2, Metro 2033,

GAMES THAT MAKE CHOICE MATTER: Alpha Protocol, Fallout: New Vegas, Cinders (of course no one knows if that is true or not because the only other person I know who's played it is )

GAMES THAT FEATURE A LITTLE GIRL CHARACTER WHOM YOU BECOME PROTECTIVE OF: Persona 4, Nier,

GAMES THAT NO ONE CARED ABOUT; ALL OF THE ABOVE (and these are just the last two years, and yes persona 4 golden counts)

It's just a bummer. Like, I loved all of these games, and the walking dead, but suddenly it's the walking dead that gets all of the praise because it's a hot property and the puzzles aren't factors enough and it has zombies or whatever.

basically what I'm saying is play Nier if you thought the ending to the walking dead wasn't depressing enough

Like, the last three big GOTY titles (Skyrim, ME2/RDR, B:AA and Uncharted 2) all had either good (subjective I know but shut up guy who didn't like ME2's story, it was FINE) both areas or just really good gameplay (skyrim has a shitty story as well as lame side quests and this is not subjective except it is and I am just a big butthead). Suddenly this is the game that has people triumphing the story, and as someone who has been playing games where the story was the main draw for years, it's just... I hope people remember this for next year, I guess? because if this is the only game it happens too I will be way more angry.

Like I get that I am being completely unfair to the walking dead and the accomplishments telltale have accomplished; regardless of what I said I do think the relationship between Lee and Clem is superior to Persona 4 or Nier (those games do other things with the story as well, however). It's just me and my unreasonably large love for Nier, really.

THIS IS A PSA TO TELL YOU TO PLAY NIER

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@Red said:

@Karkarov: By that logic, everyone would love a Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter game.

But they don't have a " 'culture' BS " behind it!

Kidding. It was a ridiculous post. I hated the show, read the first paperback of WD and it was not bad but didn't read any further, and I don't like zombies very much. But I loved this game.

A lot of strangely bitter people. No surprise I guess, just sad and confusing.

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@SethPhotopoulos: I'm aware they won't, but as long as one person plays nier in response to my blog post than it has all been justified

If that's the point of all of this then why not just say "If you like TWD try these games out." Instead of "These games deserve way more praise than this game."

yeah, but who would have paid attention to that blog post?

So lame. Go post a thread on the Nier board instead of being a troll.

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At least you recognize that your ire is unreasonable.

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@Jrinswand said:

Yeah, the problem with your argument is that Nier is fucking awful whereas The Walking Dead isn't.

this will only end well

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@Karkarov said:

The walking dead video "game" is popular because it is the walking dead which has some massive "culture" BS behind it. No it doesn't do anything I haven't seen before. No it doesn't do anything "better" than it's ever been done before. But that doesn't matter cause it's "the walking dead" and therefore good just because.

Sorry if I offended anyone with this post. (not really actually)

Never read the comics, only seen the first season of the TV show and thought it was pretty boring, The Walking Dead is my GOTY. 
 
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@ArtisanBreads: it was a joke, you can't just accuse anyone who doesn't share your opinion as trolling

you are mad wrong, soz bro.

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@Animasta said:

@ArtisanBreads: it was a joke, you can't just accuse anyone who doesn't share your opinion as trolling

You've made a WD hate thread basically because you think Nier wasn't appreciated.

Go make a Nier thread.

What you did is a trolling move.

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@Animasta said:

@ArtisanBreads: it was a joke, you can't just accuse anyone who doesn't share your opinion as trolling

You've made a WD hate thread basically because you think Nier wasn't appreciated.

Go make a Nier thread.

What you did is a trolling move.

hate thread? I said the game has problems, hardly a hate thread. I hate the response it gotten, but that doesnt mean I hate the game; far from it in fact! I even said in the blog post I like the game!

but hey, who needs reading right?

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@ArtisanBreads: Again, lazy opinion or not that's what I think.

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@Animasta said:

@ArtisanBreads said:

@Animasta said:

@ArtisanBreads: it was a joke, you can't just accuse anyone who doesn't share your opinion as trolling

You've made a WD hate thread basically because you think Nier wasn't appreciated.

Go make a Nier thread.

What you did is a trolling move.

hate thread? I said the game has problems, hardly a hate thread. I hate the response it gotten, but that doesnt mean I hate the game; far from it in fact! I even said in the blog post I like the game!

but hey, who needs reading right?

Not saying you hate the game but are bitter it is being appreciated. Again, who cares if it is? What will this accomplish? It has nothing to do with Nier.

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@ArtisanBreads said:

@Animasta said:

@ArtisanBreads said:

@Animasta said:

@ArtisanBreads: it was a joke, you can't just accuse anyone who doesn't share your opinion as trolling

You've made a WD hate thread basically because you think Nier wasn't appreciated.

Go make a Nier thread.

What you did is a trolling move.

hate thread? I said the game has problems, hardly a hate thread. I hate the response it gotten, but that doesnt mean I hate the game; far from it in fact! I even said in the blog post I like the game!

but hey, who needs reading right?

Not saying you hate the game but are bitter it is being appreciated. Again, who cares if it is? What will this accomplish? It has nothing to do with Nier.

what will anything accomplish? jeez I just wanted to discuss the response the game and why I disliked it, and thus I compared it to Nier which has similar story beats and a decidedly different reception. Not everything has to have a deeper meaning.

so no, it's not a troll.

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big bo makes you cry manly tears

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@cexantus: Fair enough. I enjoyed the game though not for the reasons most people did. If I cried it was only from how much I laughed playing it.

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People like you are what's wrong with video games.

Yeap I am far worse than you for sure. I am not even able to come up with a witty slur or half assed insult in response to a post made by someone expressing an opinion different from mine. Pathetic of me.

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@Karkarov: By that logic, everyone would love a Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter game.

I am pretty sure there is a reason they keep making Lord of the Ring's video games and they sure kept putting out Lego Harry Potter. I am confident that reason isn't because people didn't buy enough to make it profitable.

@ArtisanBreads: You liked "The Walking Dead", that's great. I thought it was "okay" and over rated as holy crap. If that makes me "bitter and angry" then sure sign me up. I have to wonder what you being unable to handle someone feeling that way makes you though? After all I don't see the OP insulting you, but you sure have no issue insulting them. So who is the "bitter and angry" person again?

@Milkman: Well I have to wonder what other games you got to play this year but whatever floats your boat. Glad you liked the game, as I said I thought it was "okay". Which from me is actually kind of a compliment.

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@Karkarov said:

@SethPhotopoulos said:

People like you are what's wrong with video games.

Yeap I am far worse than you for sure. I am not even able to come up with a witty slur or half assed insult in response to a post made by someone expressing an opinion different from mine. Pathetic of me.

It's not the fact that you had a different opinion. It's the fact that you insult other people by basically calling them sheep for having opinions different from your own.

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@Karkarov: When was the last time a Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings game was seriously thought of for Game of the Year?

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@ArtisanBreads: You liked "The Walking Dead", that's great. I thought it was "okay" and over rated as holy crap. If that makes me "bitter and angry" then sure sign me up. I have to wonder what you being unable to handle someone feeling that way makes you though? After all I don't see the OP insulting you, but you sure have no issue insulting them. So who is the "bitter and angry" person again?

You. I'm just calling out BS is all.

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Metro 2033 was not depressing, just atmospheric.

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@SomeDeliCook said:

Metro 2033 was not depressing, just atmospheric.

what

all of humanity lived in shitty ass subway tunnels, how is that not depressing

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I can't even understand what it is you're trying to argue here.

I can't even understand what he's saying with all these parentheses.

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@Animasta said:

@SomeDeliCook said:

Metro 2033 was not depressing, just atmospheric.

what

all of humanity lived in shitty ass subway tunnels, how is that not depressing

And all of humanity are zombies in Walking Dead, but that wasn't why that game was depressing either

Seeing something like dead guys in broken gas masks and frost bitten in Metro was depressing, but the overall mood of that game wasn't depressing to me. It wasn't like that in Stalker or Fallout either, games with similar backstories.

Something like Mafia to me was more depressing because everyone had a shitty ending no matter what they could've done differently.

*edit* Also, everyone was stuffed into the metro's like sardines, but they atleast seemed to be well off and safe (for the most part). In Walking Dead, everyone is always getting fucked up.

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@SomeDeliCook: well stalker was just the area around chernobyl was fucked up, and the latter fallout game had built up a decent amount of infrastructure so it wasn't that bad.

but all of the stations in metro, the ones where people lived, were mad depressing

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It's annoying that you can't criticise the game without being told 'you don't get it', or because you wanted the choices to affect the story (as it tells you they will in text at the start of each chapter) that you wanted some kind of 'power fantasy'.

First time it happened I felt it was a nice change, but not once having an impact, what's the point? It takes all the drama and 'brutality' out of the so called 'brutal' decisions.

The story and writing was also pretty cliché. Did anyone not automatically think 'these people are cannibals' as soon as you arrived at the farm in episode 2? And more than once I guessed the dialogue, word for word, that I'd get in response to options I picked. It also took plot points from the comics, which seemed kind of lazy.

I loved this game, but it's highly overrated. It has flaws.

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@ArtisanBreads said:

@Karkarov said:

@ArtisanBreads: You liked "The Walking Dead", that's great. I thought it was "okay" and over rated as holy crap. If that makes me "bitter and angry" then sure sign me up. I have to wonder what you being unable to handle someone feeling that way makes you though? After all I don't see the OP insulting you, but you sure have no issue insulting them. So who is the "bitter and angry" person again?

You. I'm just calling out BS is all.

Anyone ever told you how laughable you are? I really just spent longer laughing at you than I did when Lee fell on his ass trying to walk across the kitchen. Man I laughed a long time when that happened too.

@Red said:

@Karkarov: When was the last time a Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings game was seriously thought of for Game of the Year?

Couldn't tell you. But then I am also mystified as to why anyone thinks "The Walking Dead" is worthy of it. I certainly don't.

@MegaMetaTurtle: Oh dude, you must just be bitter and angry because you don't get the game. In other news nice post, I concur and saw the "plot twist" of episode 2 coming from basically 5 minutes after meeting them, I don't even think I had to get to the farm first.

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@Karkarov said:

The walking dead video "game" is popular because it is the walking dead which has some massive "culture" BS behind it. No it doesn't do anything I haven't seen before. No it doesn't do anything "better" than it's ever been done before. But that doesn't matter cause it's "the walking dead" and therefore good just because.

Sorry if I offended anyone with this post. (not really actually)

what?

I honestly knew next to nothing about the franchise before playing the game, and I still think it's fantastic.

try again fool.

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You might want to try moving to Japan, based on that game list.

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Cinders did choice well? It all felt pretty binary to me.

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@yoshimitz707 said:

Cinders did choice well? It all felt pretty binary to me.

I disagree, it did the tone thing that TWD does (whether you become an ironhanded host, a benevolent host, whatever) as well as having so many different endings.

@cthomer5000: well considering my top two games (crusader kings 2 and hotline miami) are both of western (swedish) origin, as well as me mentioning alpha protocol... that was a terrible comment to a terrible blog.

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You're a horrible human being.

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You're a horrible human being.

TELL ME SOMETHING I DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW

also you can't just say that and not give a reason

also I think that sort of comment will get you a refraction with the moderators, so :)

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@Animasta said:

@TheHumanDove said:

You're a horrible human being.

TELL ME SOMETHING I DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW

also you can't just say that and not give a reason

also I think that sort of comment will get you a refraction with the moderators, so :)

so :)? Not sure what that part means. Is that the smile of internal rage or the smile of sweet vengeance upon sicking the internet popo upon me? In either case, Nier sucks. Deal with it.

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@TheHumanDove: there are plenty of people who think it's fantastic, I'll have you know (just not that much because no one bought it)

also the smile was just a heads up, nothing predatory about it.

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Alright alright I'll play Crusader Kings. You twisted my arm.

Not touching Nier though. It looks packed with > 50% monotony.

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@tourgen said:

Alright alright I'll play Crusader Kings. You twisted my arm.

Not touching Nier though. It looks packed with > 50% monotony.

It really isn't. Definitely worth playing.

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@tourgen said:

Alright alright I'll play Crusader Kings. You twisted my arm.

Not touching Nier though. It looks packed with > 50% monotony.

this is also a respectable outcome!

(I think there's a demo, and there should be a bug that will make it go forever)