Animasta

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Animasta: Atlus still struck a deal with Zen United so that they had the rights to release it in Europe. Who's to say that they didn't comply with one of Zen's demands to region lock the game so that they could actually be profitable? It could still be related to not having Japanese people import that games from North America, but I don't think it's worth it for any of us to assume the reason this is happening and it's just best to wait for Atlus themselves to state exactly why they're doing this.

okay, but they're still basically the same reasoning so I don't see why it matters. I don't think this is a good idea either (and I have a 360 and no ps3 and really have no in to this argument) I just think assuming that because atlus does it that everyone will want to do it too is a really silly idea. I mean, you HAVE seen that neogaf thread right? Neogaf seems to be one of the bigger gaming sites around (as far as I can tell) and the fact that they're super mad is probably a signal, especially to the crowd they're trying to get (fighting game fans and persona fans are probably more internet savvy than your average CoD fan). Atlus's board as well.

I mean, these are really the only kinds of games where it matters, right? CoD and all of the big budget games come out the friday after the game was released on tuesday in the states. and these kinds of companies have to thrive on super fans, because they're niche enough that your average gamer isn't really interested. I don't even think the game is gold yet either.

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Animasta: Why would Atlus appealing to Zen United so that they don't suffer from lost sales due to imports, like they apparently suffered with their BlazBlue release, not be a possible reason?

... because atlus is a japanese company? I'm pretty sure the European market is not something Atlus cares about a whole bunch, to be quite honest. I don't think these publishers can arbitrarily decide to region lock a game without Atlus JP's say so, and there's no real reason for Atlus JP to care unless it's specifically eating into their profits, especially after this big outpouring of complaining and shit, that they really should've seen coming. I'm pretty sure they get more money out of a domestic copy sold than one sold in America or Europe.

@artgarcrunkle said:

@MrKlorox said:

And who cares who owns them? What does that have to do with anything?

Because the crew have job security, yet whenever one of these threads come up premium members spaz out for pages as if people who aren't paying for content actively trying to undermine the bomb crew's well being.

Also these threads have probably been trolls every time because it's fun to read through all the bizarre sycophantic responses.

really? you think if they don't get subscribers CBSi will just let them do whatever? that's hella naive man.

@FluxWaveZ: there's no other reason other than reverse importing that makes sense so I'm connecting the dots. but there's really no other reason for someone to region lock a game on a system where there is a large, vocal, probably a minority, fanbase who enjoys not being region locked; the slippery slope fallacy is precisely that.

@WinterSnowblind said:

@Hailinel said:

Why is it so surprising? Further, why is everyone getting so fucking offended by this?

I'm sure if you were asked to wait 8+ months for the game, you'd be slightly annoyed too. If they get it out quicker this time, there's no problem.. but the fact they've gone to the effort of region locking the game makes that seem unlikely.

... I don't get the correlation. If you think this is something Zen did, than you're crazy.

@FluxWaveZ said:

@mutha3 said:

@Hailinel said:

. And has already been discussed, the PS3 always had the ability to region lock, but no one actually used it.

Hence, why Atlus has set a terrible precedent.

Precisely. Many people bought the PS3 off of the promise that they'd be able to surpass the region locking issues that plague so many other hardware devices. With Persona 4 Arena being the first to do it, it certainly won't be the last and that's what people are fearing and that's what people are complaining about.

with how much complaining about this as there is, especially for such a small company (in comparison) I doubt other companies do this, and to suggest otherwise in the tail end of the PS3 hardware cycle is a little silly. What reason would they have to do it now? Atlus's assumed reasoning is sound if a little... off (just make the japanese version cheaper guys) but if you think companies actually do region lock it after this? companies don't want to deal with this shit.

@Brodehouse said:

@Animasta yeah I just find the Low Middle Ages, the Migration, the Merovingian and Carolingian period, the Heptarchy, the shift of power and tradition in the vacuum of Rome and antiquity, what has been called the Dark Ages... It's more interesting to me than the more stable and chivalric High and Late Middle Ages.

sure sure, it just needs different mechanics than what CK2 has. All of these games (Europa Universalis 3 is 1399-1821, Victoria 2 is 1821-1916? Hearts of Iron 3 is 1936-1949 or something) are on the same engine (Clausewitz), but they all have different systems based on what was important at the time; Europa Universalis doesn't have the intricate character systems that CK2 has, because individual people were not that important in that time frame. EU does have a detailed colonization system, however.

Well, considering they JUST announced a cold war game, the only real time period they have left (barring pre rome) is the dark ages so you may get your wish.

@Brodehouse said:

I wish the actual mechanics weren't so impenetrable. It's the type of game a history nerd like myself is into. For DLC they should do the decline of Rome and the rise of the Franks and Vikings.

well, for one, it's not really THAT impenetrable.

secondly, that's really kinda outside the realm of this game. It was always designed going from 1066 (william the bastard stuff) to 1453 (the end of the byzantines) and any further back probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense with the mechanics of the game. Especially THAT far back.

They may go backwards with the Pagan DLC, so that pagans don't get worked like they do in the base game, but...

It's not even a scanner... it literally just looks up how your ip address interacts with websites or whatever.

goddamn some of you are so paranoid.

@Daroki said:

@Tfruit said:

Guess ill jump into this forum post.

Just finished watching AnoHana. Knowing nothing about it i was really surprised of how good and well made it was. Loved it from beginning to end :P

I think earlier I was happy about Aoi Hana, which means I confused it with AnoHana which was a great show. Didn't mind Ano Natsu either, but I'm a sucker for romance shows that don't have the girl beating the hell out of the guy repeatedly for no good reason (Love Hina).

whenever someone says anohana I always jump to aoi hana, but not the anime as that was kinda boring and stopped before the good stuff. Just like sasameki koto :(

Current it's this, though it's currently my favorite album this year, this is the best song on it. Once that cello starts... damn son.