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#1 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -

Can we get a Quick Look of this game? No one's reporting on it, no one's reviewing it. It's like the industry is trying their hardest to pretend it doesn't exist, which makes me think it's a prime target for a Quick Look.

Everything I've seen about it looks ridiculous, and even the backstory of how it got released in the West is kind of shady. They made it eshop only in America specifically to make sure the only people who would know it exists are people who followed the franchise in Japan.

After Jeff's tasteful critique of Project Diva, I think this deserves a shot.

#2 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -

I'm surprised by how pessimistic everyone is in light of everything Giant Bomb has been through to get to where it is today. People don't just give up whatever life they were living when stricken with grief. It's hard to move forward, but time (more often than not) heals these wounds. For some of us, this site was just a great site about video games, but I'm fairly sure it was a lot more to the duders manning the helm. I don't think they're in a situation where they can or will just stop being Giant Bomb.

#3 Edited by Anjon (155 posts) -

Boo fucking hoo. Are you kidding me with this drivel? Bullying, the silent enemy. Holy balls people need to get a grip in this day and age. Guess what, everyone was bullied growing up, back in the day it is what made people stronger.

You know why bullying is such a big deal now? Because people making it a big deal have made those who get bullied feel like it is the end of the world, they feel like the only resort they have is to end their life.

Man up World, or we are all going down the crapper.

And here I was thinking it became such a big deal when kids started killing themselves. But you're right, it's much more entertaining if you ignore all the dead kids and focus on the living ones, and then call them all pansies. Less depressing too. Unless you're saying school is a "Survival of the Fittest" situation and some kids have to kill themselves to make room for the stronger, less socially attached ones. But at that point, why not just make everyone happy, herd the students into an island arena and reenact Battle Royale (for the youngsters in the crowd: that's like Hunger Games, only old and Japanese... you pansies).

#4 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -

Just realized something weird that maybe someone can explain to me (also sorry if this is common knowledge): Two things about my game seem to be different from other playthroughs I've seen. One is that in videos I've seen, when Elizabeth wanders off and starts dancing on the pier, the other dancers are all wearing bathing suits, which makes since seeing as they're on a beach and all. When I played, though, all of the dancers were wearing full clothing, just like the NPCs inside the buildings.

A more glaring change is that I had no idea what this "post credits" scene everyone talked about was. Because my game didn't give it too me. I even replayed the end and it still didn't happen. That seems super weird because in the videos I've seen of it, it looks interactive. You control Booker and open the door to Anna's room. That entire segment didn't occur for me. The credits went directly to the main menu, meaning the last visual I had of my playthrough of Bioshock Infinite was Elizabeth blinking out to a black screen followed by credits, while everyone else had this cool Inception-esque moment. I don't know how I should feel about that.

#5 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -

@rebgav said:

@anjon said:

@beachthunder said:

@anjon said:


Btw, I don't know if anyone remembers it, but there's an actual map of the universes explored in the game on a chalkboard in the lab near the end where you rescue Liz the last time. I couldn't read the textures myself, but it had a few paragraphs of summary along with a branching timeline. Anyone have a good image or transcription of it?

Wait, you don't mean this do you? This is all I can think of, but it doesn't really seem legible...

Yeah, this is the board I was talking about. I'm hoping that's actually handwritten text and not scribbles and doodles made for presentation. Either way, I can't make out anything on it and I couldn't while I was playing the game either, even with full resolution and "Ultra" settings. I'd like to think that with all of the other clever details in the game, this would actually be a legit clue as well.

I think that the background scrawl is irrelevant, it's repeated on multiple boards throughout the game and seems to be made of a patchwork of diagrams, formulas and lists of names and events. You can see that the (I think) german phrase is repeated at least once in that very image and it's just a copypaste job.

Well that's disappointing. I was really hoping it would mean something more.

#6 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -

@anjon said:


Btw, I don't know if anyone remembers it, but there's an actual map of the universes explored in the game on a chalkboard in the lab near the end where you rescue Liz the last time. I couldn't read the textures myself, but it had a few paragraphs of summary along with a branching timeline. Anyone have a good image or transcription of it?

Wait, you don't mean this do you? This is all I can think of, but it doesn't really seem legible...

Yeah, this is the board I was talking about. I'm hoping that's actually handwritten text and not scribbles and doodles made for presentation. Either way, I can't make out anything on it and I couldn't while I was playing the game either, even with full resolution and "Ultra" settings. I'd like to think that with all of the other clever details in the game, this would actually be a legit clue as well.

#7 Edited by Anjon (155 posts) -

@pudge said:

@anjon: Liz got her powers from being inside two dimensions at once when she lost her pinkie as a child. Her powers were the multiverse's way of attempting to correct that problem.

And yea, there is no time travel in this game. You can travel to a dimension at a different point in time, but that is not the same thing at all.

When Elizabeth meets Lady Comstock's "ghost" the second time around, she says that she inherited her powers from her. She says this after learning that Lady Comstock didn't actually give birth to her in the traditional sense, so I'm inclined to believe her when she mentions this. After all, in literature the audience is supposed to take a character's word as absolute truth unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Also, I don't see how traveling to a dimension at a different point in time is anywhere different from time travel. I suppose I'll pose this question though: if there's no time travel involved in any way, then why didn't Booker encounter alternate versions of himself during the final Baptism scenes near the end of the game? We see other Bookers and the other Elizabeths near the light houses, which are clearly other worlds. Liz herself says this. However, when they actually get to "the point" where everything is suppose to be relevant, there's no other Booker. I take this to be an example to one of Einstein's laws.

Two versions of the same person can't exist simultaneous during the same period in the case of time travel. If someone goes back in time, then the version of them that exists in the past gets displaced by the one coming from the future at an existential level. That's why Booker can see other Bookers in other worlds at the lighthouses, but he never exists in the same time as any other Booker. When he goes to the Baptism scenes at the end, he has displaced the Booker that was there before he arrived. This doesn't apply to Comstock because he went through the same transposition process as the Lucetes, essentially causes him to both exist and not exist in all time and space simultaneously. He's only ever there when he's observed to be, which he's consciously aware of.

Btw, I don't know if anyone remembers it, but there's an actual map of the universes explored in the game on a chalkboard in the lab near the end where you rescue Liz the last time. I couldn't read the textures myself, but it had a few paragraphs of summary along with a branching timeline. Anyone have a good image or transcription of it?

#8 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -
@golguin said:

@selfconfessedcynic said:

@coakroach said:

If they do story DLC I wonder if we'll see anything regarding Comstocks 'archangel'.

Surely he didn't go crazy enough to want to wipe out the human race by combining PTSD with a baptism... right?

That is an incredibly good thought and point. I would love to learn more about the archangel (I suspect it's a shard of Elizabeth who enjoys the destruction she wrought / never had to be brain washed).

I don't agree with many of @anjon's points as I interpreted the time travel way differently (and I'm too tired to post the differences and my responses as much of it is covered in the postulations of the spoiler thread) - BUT, Constance is indeed another character I'd like to hear more about, as I caught those oddities too.

There isn't any time travel in the game. The game uses the multiverse idea, which in practice might look like time travel, but it's pretty different. There is no time travel loop in the game. What appears to be a loop is simply alternate realities playing out in similar fashions with Comstock becoming a thing. The Twins were trying to find a way to arrive at a reality where everything was placed in the "proper" order according to their own perspective. There is no correct version of the universe as every possible iteration is it's won reality. The world of Rapture was one of an "infinite" number of possibilities for "Bioshock".

That being said I would like to see fun alternate realities.

I used to think there was no time travel involved either, except the Lucetes explicitly say that there is near the end of the game. While Booker was one of a million possibilities, they say that old Elizabeth is simply the future version of Elizabeth when Booker doesn't come back in time to save her from Comstock's brainwashing. "Why do you ask 'what' when the question is 'when'?" and such. It's unknown which Booker she sent for (either the one from her own time/world or another), but the Elizabeth she wanted that Booker to save is her in the past. Also time travel is the only scenario in which killing Booker would nullify Elizabeth's existence. If it was simply alternate realities, then Booker drowning wouldn't have phased out any Elizabeth, because that would have just been one possibility, not a direct link through time.

#9 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -

I was going to make a huge salty thread on glaring plotholes, but then I thought "Actually, there's no way the devs didn't think about these. They're probably hard at work making DLC to fill those in." So instead I'd like to make a huge sweet thread on things we'd like to see addressed in a DLC supplement or something. With a $20 season pass, surely we're getting something besides gear and weapon skins, right? This turns my glaring plothole-induced rage into lighthearted hope for the future! So, here're some things I hope they address somewhere down the line. I'd love to hear some other ideas!

1. With Booker constantly caught in the loop caused by the Lucetes, one of them has to escape it somehow and then become Comstock. How does he do that? Do the Lucetes bring him out and thus undo Elizabeth's murder-suicide plot?

2. That thread title isn't a typo! I want to know more about Constance, the little girl from some of the voxophone recordings. I have a theory that she has the ability to alter time and space similar to Elizabeth. She might actually be another Elizabeth. She mentions she wants to meet Liz because she believe they have something special in common with eachother. Later in the game, she says "I'm sorry about your mom being dead. I believe she's very much better than my own." or something to that affect. She then indicates that she knows more about Elizabeth's tower than pretty much anyone else.

3. Elizabeth says she inherited her power from Lady Comstock, who remains unnamed throughout the game. At first I thought she was just another Elizabeth, which might still be the case, but I think it's more likely that she's Booker's wife who died in his timeline shortly after Elizabeth was born. I'm guessing Comstock found a timeline where she wasn't dead and took her out of it, but she was sterile, possibly from the jump. In any case, she's a time-traveling space ghost, and that'd probably make an interesting subplot.

4. Why exactly did the Lucetes want to rescue Elizabeth from Comstock in the first place? I remember a voxophone hinting that the male Lucete didn't want to and tried to blackmail the female Lucete into canceling the plan, but why did the female Lucete want to do it? It didn't seem like revenge for Comstock trying to murder them, and it didn't seem like the Lucetes cared if one version of New York was destroyed. Why do beings who've essentially achieved omniscience and exist in all time and space simultaneously care about these handful of timelines?

5. Is the Songbird an alternate universe version of Booker who was captured and turned into an automaton? On the instruction card, it shows an image of Comstock's brain as a machine, so I thought that was pretty obvious. That'd be a pretty interesting scenario.

6. This is my personal best theory as to what first DLC campaign will center around. Booker clearly thought that by killing Comstock, he would give Elizabeth a better life... yet he essentially killed her reeeeally hard. I imagine a multi-dimensional obliteration is about as dead as you can possibly be, and he clearly didn't expect that to happen (probably because he's a moron). I'm predicting that whatever DLC comes out is going to feature Lucetes bringing him out of a loop and trying to save Elizabeth.

7. Honorable Mentions: something something Bioshock, something something Andrew Ryan. I'm hoping there isn't anything related to the original Bioshock but if fans request it, it'll probably happen...

8. Honorable Mentions: Some kind of DLC campaign or mini-game that somehow involves Elizabeth throwing coins at us constantly. Sometimes through walls.

#10 Posted by Anjon (155 posts) -
@jace said:

It's almost like I knew he'd link the Anita S. video. Too bad he's already married or they could wage the war on logic together, happily ever after.

I love how you ignored the entire rest of this article to focus solely on the Anita video posted innocuously amongst a batch of equally engaging content, armed with your witty retort towards an argument no one started. Your Anita Sarkeesian senses are surely tingling this day.