Anomareh

@AhmadMetallic said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, just because Battlefield 3 is coming out doesn't mean you can never play this one again.

Actually, that's exactly what it means.

Until only about a year ago I was still playing DC/FH (aka the last good thing going for a battlefield game) with my friends.

Once they made the game accessible to toddlers with regening health, spammable health packs cause regening health wasn't enough, defibs because regening health and spammable health packs wasn't enough, and then squad spawning, it was never the same. BC2 was actually alright from a technical aspect, but basically all BF games are good for anymore is a month or two of mindlessly destroying people until watching a wall becomes a more attractive way to spend your time.

To each his own and all that I suppose... some people really enjoy the easy and mindless.

@stoic665 said:

Heh.

Well, I'll admit that CT has a bit of a special place in my heart seeing as it was the first JRPG I played. To date, I believe I've played through it about 10-15 times, if not more. At one point I owned three copies of the game for different formats (right now I only have the ds version).

As for watching LP's of it, I've seen two video LPs (name of the people who did them escapes me at the moment) over the years and read one screenshot LP (which can be found at the let's play archives). I generally enjoyed them.

Your challenge is interesting. In fact I think I've figured out a way to make it even better! Instead of watching some random LP on Youtube, why not wait until the first video of this ER has been made, watch 30 minutes of that and THEN decide whether it sucks or not?

Whaddya think?

I'm baffled how anyone can enjoy watching someone else play Chrono Trigger. There is literally nothing entertaining about the game when it comes to watching it. I enjoyed playing through it as well, but watching someone else play it is an entirely different story.

The only problem with your challenge is (well if us voicing our opinion in this thread actually carried any weight) is that with waiting for the ER to happen if it does end up sucking, we get to wait another year + to get another one if at all.

@stoic665 said:

No, of course you're not supposed to blindly enjoy everything GB makes. I made that post because of the disproportionally large amount of negative comments in this thread, considering the videos haven't even been made yet.

Like you said, we don't know how it will turn out yet. Who knows, maybe it will be shitty and boring. The problem is, there's a few hundred posts in this thread from people who act like they do know it's gonna suck and who like to proclaim so loudly. That's the low water mark I was talking about.

I could say a lot more about this if I wanted to, but what it really comes down to is whether or not you think that Ryan and Patrick deserve the benefit of doubt, at least until the videos have started to come out. To me it seems that the reasonable answer is yes. To a lot of people posting here, however, the answer seems to be no. And that's pretty fucking sad.

So we're not allowed to make presumptions based on the game that's going to get played?

Have you ever played Chrono Trigger? Have you ever watched someone playing Chrono Trigger? For the latter, if not, go watch a LP of it on YouTube and you'll understand.

There is no doubt for Ryan and Patrick to be given the benefit of. This has nothing to do with commentary or the people playing it. The Persona 4 and Deadly Premonition ERs worked because they were all crazy Japanese. There is none of that in Chrono Trigger. It's nothing but killing the same palette swapped mobs over and over again with the same 2 attacks, a shit ton of back tracking, and tons of text to read. Not to say it's a bad game, it ISN'T. It's just boring as all hell to WATCH someone play. No amount of commentary can make that fun to watch.

To all the people trying to defend this ER, I challenge you to watch 30m of Chrono Trigger LP on YouTube before you continue defending it.

@MasturbatingestBear said:

So them giving the community what they bitched for for ages is the equivalent of a shit sandwich? Also Chrono Trigger doesn't have random battles.

Have you seen anyone angry about there being a new ER? Nope. Have you seen anyone angry about the choice of game? Yep.

People are annoyed because they've been waiting for an ER for so long and it's either with people they don't want to see do it and/or of a game that's incredibly boring to watch. Not to mention, on top of all of that, Patrick has apparently already played the game in it's entirety before.

..and again, please quote for me the exact sentence where I said Chrono Trigger has random encounters.

@Hailinel said:

@Anomareh: You said, in essence, that JRPGs don't work for Endurance Runs. Persona 4 worked, therefore your blanket statement was disproved. Further, I've already beaten Chrono Trigger and have a desire to see Patrick and Ryan's reactions tot he game.

And name-calling is just immature.

How do you STILL not get it. I've already told you, clear as day, what it was I meant, even if you are a dolt that can't understand something that isn't 100% literal.

I never said anything about JRPGs in relation to ERs. For the 4th(?) time now:

SNES JRPGS ARE BORING TO WATCH.

That's what I said, "in essence". Do you got it now? /facepalm

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Because apparently my post count isn't high enough...

@Hailinel said:

They're not boring in any objective sense. Do you get that?

Then according to you, fun is synonymous with watching the same palette swapped mobs get killed over and over by the same 2 attacks, with a heap of back tracking, interspersed with pages of dialog. In which case you can refer back to my original post:

No amount of commentary in the world can make that entertaining to WATCH. Anyone who can find enjoyment in WATCHING that must posses the ability to put themselves in a vegetative state at will and has wall watching as a favorite pastime.

Not to mention, I said boring to watch not boring to play. Just as how many people find sports boring to watch but fun to play.

@stoic665 said:

Posting to say that I, for one, am looking forward to this ER. It will be cool to see how it works out.

Honestly, this thread is a pretty low water mark for the GB community. It's not just bitching about videos you don't like... it's bitching about videos you might not like that haven't even been made yet!

Pre-emptive fucking bitching, it's just ridiculous

Yeah damn us for having opinions! I'm going to mail you some free shit sandwiches. Though you're not allowed to bitch about how bad they taste until you've taken at least 1 bite because, hey, they may taste good!

@Hailinel said:

This is what happens when you generalize. You insinuate ideas regarding specific games that aren't true. Also, once again, you don't specify any particular era. Go ahead. Read what you wrote again and tell me where it states, specifically, that you are referring to a specific era of RPG design and not the genre's history as a whole. Go on, point it out.

Oh, wait. You can't because you actually didn't. No such specification was ever made on your part.

No this is what happens when you talk to a dolt that thinks everything needs to be 100% literal and spelled out to a t. If every discussion was like that it'd be nothing but paragraphs of pedantic blathering that no one would read in the first place.

I start the paragraph with a sentence about Chrono Trigger. So hey, the contents of the paragraph are probably going to be in relation to Chrono Trigger. I go on to describe the general trappings of the JRPGs of that time. (HINT: This isn't a coincidence.) How is this hard to understand. I'M TALKING ABOUT SNES JRPGS. WHICH CHRONO TRIGGER IS. WHICH EXHIBITS ALL THE THINGS I MENTIONED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RANDOM ENCOUNTERS.

The fact of the matter is, you said I can't say SNES JRPGs are boring to watch because of the Persona 4 ER. Do you realize how stupid that is? The Persona 4 ER was entertaining because it was all crazy Japanese like the dude above me is talking about. There is none of that in Chrono Trigger. Here, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+play+chrono+trigger, take your pick. Go see how entertaining 30m of that is.

@Hailinel said:

You never specified era or type in your post.

Yeah I suppose the fact that I mentioned a certain JRPG and go on to make generalizations about JRPGs of that era was just a total coincidence.

@MasturbatingestBear said:

Chrono Trigger doesn't have random encounters.

Yo, can you do me favor and quote the exact sentence where I say Chrono Trigger does.

@Hailinel said:

What are you even talking about? You generalized saying that all JRPGs are boring to watch when the crux of your argument can be simply and easily refuted using the Persona 4 Endurance Run as a prime example.

I'm pretty sure I made a generalization about a certain type and era of JRPG (that the one mentioned in this thread is apart of) and I'm pretty sure I said something about exceptions. I suppose I could have anterograde amnesia though.

@Hailinel said:

@Anomareh

Anyone who's ever played even 5 min of Chrono Trigger or bothered to look at an LP of it on YouTube or something will know how boring this is going to be.JRPGsare the most boring thing to WATCH. Nothing but millions of random encounters against the same palette swapped mobs and spamming the same 2 attacks over and over and OVER and OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Well to break that up there are sequences of reading pages of text and enormous amounts of back tracking.

No amount of commentary in the world can make that entertaining to WATCH. Anyone who can find enjoyment in WATCHING that must posses the ability to put themselves in a vegetative state at will and has wall watching as a favorite pastime.

Persona 4 is a JRPG. Your argument is invalid.

My bad. I didn't realize I was posting in a thread with no title, no op, no general sense of direction or topic, in a world where there are no such things as exceptions or generalizations, and that what I originally posted was what is quoted above.

Anyone who's ever played even 5 min of Chrono Trigger or bothered to look at an LP of it on YouTube or something will know how boring this is going to be. JRPGs are the most boring thing to WATCH. Nothing but millions of random encounters against the same palette swapped mobs and spamming the same 2 attacks over and over and OVER and OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Well to break that up there are sequences of reading pages of text and enormous amounts of back tracking.

No amount of commentary in the world can make that entertaining to WATCH. Anyone who can find enjoyment in WATCHING that must posses the ability to put themselves in a vegetative state at will and has wall watching as a favorite pastime.