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#1 Edited by Anund (876 posts) -

@spaceinsomniac said:

@anund said:

Screw that. Yes, it's better to never include female characters in games. No one will ever be happy with them. They are either too weak, too emotional, they get treated like dolls which is not ok, or they get beat up which is torture porn (I believe that was the phrase Patrick used). How do you win?

You don't.

Shall we play a nice game of chess?

Seriously though, better yet, make the game you want to make, and everyone who has an issue with that can fuck off. I like games that feature female characters, and I'd rather not lose them to a bunch of whinny bloggers who enjoy looking down their noses at everyone else, believe their opinions of female representation to be objective truth, and live to show everyone else the error of their ways.

@anund said:

people like you will never be happy. By that I mean the type of person you represent. I am sure there is a way to include women in games which would make you, personally, very happy. But one of the other "yous" out there would rage against it.

It's hard to agree with a social movement that can't agree with itself, isn't it? In the end, you're taking an opinion you have, and holding another party responsible for your opinion.

I agree with you, really. Tomb Raider is was one of my favorite games to have been released recently and I too enjoy playing as female characters. I don't want female characters to go away, quite the opposite. The point I was making, as I think you understood, is that if you want to avoid criticism the only sure way is to avoid including women in your game. You might get the odd "why are there no female characters"-comment, but at the end of the day it is nothing compared to the shit storm that will happen if you try to create an important, female character.

#2 Posted by Anund (876 posts) -

@anund said:

What's worse? Men did this to feminism.

The men, I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!

Bastards.

#3 Edited by Anund (876 posts) -

@pcorb said:

@anund said:

@draugen said:

@dox516 said:

Also why is there not more transgender, gay, one legged, unicycle riding, dwarves, who hail from Uganda, and practice Kabala characters in games?

See, you make a genuinely compelling argument, and then you write this, and I can no longer take it seriously, because it leads me to believe that either you find this a valid comparison to the calls for more representation for for example female characters in gaming, or you are just incapable of seeing the point of view of the people who want this.

I am one of those people who like to "care", as you put it. I am one of those who'd like to see female (and male for that sake) characters written better. I love a compelling narrative. But I can still see why other people don't care. And I do agree that the advocates of my side should be better at picking their battles. But if you feel the way the sentence above indicates, then we have nothing to discuss, because there is no common ground to be found.

When females are represented in gaming the developers drown in complaints about how they are implemented (See: My rant above about Tomb Raider). Seems safer to not touch women with a 10 foot pole, because there is no winning when it comes to trying to include them in games.

A game portrays a woman as a victim of an attempted rape in order to make players want to "protect her", people complain about this, and the best response, in your opinion, is to just not include women in games at all? Am I reading that correctly?

Yeah. Yeah you are. Because people like you will never be happy. By that I mean the type of person you represent. I am sure there is a way to include women in games which would make you, personally, very happy. But one of the other "yous" out there would rage against it.

Did shit happen to Lara Craft in Tomb Raider? Yeah, shit happened. Did she get hurt? Yeah. Did that make her quit? Give up and hope for a man to save her? No, she showed strength. She overcame the difficulties the game's story threw at her and she came out the other side stronger and more capable. Somehow you manage to turn this into a sexism. Good for you, take a moment to pat yourself on the back for being such a stand-up guy.

You done? Now, alright. Let's say they instead sugar coated everything that happened to her. There were no bad men on the island doing what bad men do to lonely women. There was no need for Lara to really do anything dangerous to survive, she didn't get hurt throughout the story, she wasn't tested in any way just to ensure she wasn't hurt. This would make a better game? This would make her a better female character? Hardly. People would complain. People like you. "Sure, Nathan Drake can kill a bunch of guys, tough through hardship and survive, but god forbid we ever put a woman in that situation! Sexist! Women are just as tough as men! Give us a strong female character for once! SEXIIIISSSST!"

Screw that. Yes, it's better to never include female characters in games. No one will ever be happy with them. They are either too weak, too emotional, they get treated like dolls which is not ok, or they get beat up which is torture porn (I believe that was the phrase Patrick used). How do you win?

You don't.

#4 Posted by Anund (876 posts) -

@draugen said:

@dox516 said:

Also why is there not more transgender, gay, one legged, unicycle riding, dwarves, who hail from Uganda, and practice Kabala characters in games?

See, you make a genuinely compelling argument, and then you write this, and I can no longer take it seriously, because it leads me to believe that either you find this a valid comparison to the calls for more representation for for example female characters in gaming, or you are just incapable of seeing the point of view of the people who want this.

I am one of those people who like to "care", as you put it. I am one of those who'd like to see female (and male for that sake) characters written better. I love a compelling narrative. But I can still see why other people don't care. And I do agree that the advocates of my side should be better at picking their battles. But if you feel the way the sentence above indicates, then we have nothing to discuss, because there is no common ground to be found.

When females are represented in gaming the developers drown in complaints about how they are implemented (See: My rant above about Tomb Raider). Seems safer to not touch women with a 10 foot pole, because there is no winning when it comes to trying to include them in games.

#6 Edited by Anund (876 posts) -

I agree with you about the AC games. I bought Black Flag and it really is not much different from the others. If you got bored of those, you will get bored of Black Flag too, I did. Of course, I did get a solid 15-20 hours out of the game first, which is more than I can say for a lot of other games.

Your call. Just remember, Black Flag is not the revolution the GB crew implied, it's still very much just an Assassin's Creed game.

#7 Posted by Anund (876 posts) -

@anund: Yeah, I figured. You're certainly free to not enjoy the guy, 'cause opinions and shit. Had to raise my eyebrow at the weird narrative you were spinning there, though.

Probably should give the man a chance, if only 'cause he'll be Vinny's sole partner in crime soon. Heck, maybe that dynamic will help him shine more. We'll see.

Yeah, needless to say I am not overjoyed by the whole GB East thing, hehe. But if I have to endure Alex to get my Vinny-fix, I guess I will have to give it a go. Maybe I'll even come to appreciate Alex.

#8 Edited by Anund (876 posts) -

@superkenon said:

@anund: Yep, Alex is the beaten lackey of Jeff with no will of his own. That's why he kept telling Jeff to shut the fuck up during the Yoshi preview.

What.

Didn't watch the Nintendo stream. That said, I am willing to admit the fact that I just don't find Alex entertaining at all probably makes me look for fault in what he does and says regardless.

#9 Edited by Anund (876 posts) -

@wallee321 said:

I have to disagree with the idea that Jeff's negative. I don't know what types of games he likes, its pretty random, but most of time he, prefaces games saying that while he didn't like game x, it does thing y well or okay. If your a fan of games like game x or thing y they, maybe check it out. Most of his commentary seems to be fairly even handed, but I think a lot of people miss this, since most of the time he starts out describing a game by saying it was only okay or really wasn't his thing, he doesn't say the game is horrible.

@anund: I really don't know why you would think Alex is jaded, most of the time it seems like him and Patrick are excited about games, especially platforms and colorful playful games that don't take themselves too seriously.

I feel like Brad is excited about some, but not all games. Part of the problem with him is that it can be hard to tell, since he doesn't have the most out going or strongest personality (like say, Jeff, Vinny, or Ryan had). It isn't uncommon for him to say something positive or a joke and have it fall on death ears during content. Also, I fell like you have to take his opinion with a grain of salt, since he's been tainted the MOBA bug of always wanting to play DOTA 2. Some of the deals he was trying to make on last years goty deliberations, where kind of scary, how much he was willing to give up to move DOTA 2

That was actually my whole point. Alex is not jaded, but he tries to act like he is when Jeff does. Bugs me.

@video_game_king said:
@spraynardtatum said:

@anund: ALEX IS FUCKING AWESOME YOU SUMBITCH

He's the one person I can trust to get snark right.

Funny, whenever he talks I want to stuff my ears with razorblades. Specially when he tries to be funny.

#10 Posted by Anund (876 posts) -

I agree. I can somewhat handle it from Jeff since I expect him to be a bitter, jaded son of a bitch (and that is partly what makes him likeable). The problem for me comes when the others, mainly Alex, just tags along and does his "mini-Jeff" act. "Jeff hates this? I hate this! And I try to make funnies, but can't."

But... Really, it's a bit too much for me too, even just from Jeff.